Gorzelanny to Nationals

[mookie]

I like Burgess' numbers. He seems to have decent on base skills for a 21 year old player. Can anyone more familiar with him share some scouting info? What kind of tools does he possess?

 

From what I've seen he hits a lot of line drives, has a great OF arm, but has a Tony Gwynn like physique which will obviously limit him as a player. Seems like his issue is inconsistency. Inconsistent performance, inconsistent approach to the plate, etc.

 

I guess he never watched a lot of Sunday Night Baseball.

[Cubs Fan Dan]

I really, honestly, have to tip my cap to Hendry on his offseason thus far. I dislike what he has done in the past, and I wouldn't be sad to see him go, but he is doing a fine job right now.

 

Hendry has always done a pretty damn good job in trades... Other than Wuertz, Garza has been the only big one in question and some people do not believe Hendry made a bad move...

 

I am quite intrigued by Burgess, even if the 2 pitchers are decent upside / raw prospects this deal should go down as a good one. Gorzelany's command (or lack of) is the reason he is being bounced around, he is as likely to put up a mid 5 ERA as he is to repeat last season.

[tfarks]

Where would he rank as far as power goes in the system. Better than Golden?

[javy knows my name]

I really, honestly, have to tip my cap to Hendry on his offseason thus far. I dislike what he has done in the past, and I wouldn't be sad to see him go, but he is doing a fine job right now.

 

Hendry has always done a pretty damn good job in trades... Other than Wuertz, Garza has been the only big one in question and some people do not believe Hendry made a bad move...

 

I am quite intrigued by Burgess, even if the 2 pitchers are decent upside / raw prospects this deal should go down as a good one. Gorzelany's command (or lack of) is the reason he is being bounced around, he is as likely to put up a mid 5 ERA as he is to repeat last season.

That's just really incorrect. And besides, with this organization's obsession with handedness, this trade is likely to force someone with a lot worse qualifications than Gorzo to start next year. That said, I still like the trade in a vaccuum

[YearofDaCubs]

I have no idea how good Burgess is but Gorzo was a pretty decent starter for us.

[rawaction]

PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION: Stocky physique; Kirby Puckett type body; will need to watch. Strong upper body and torso, thick forearms, large and strong hands. Close to physical maturity peak.

 

STRENGTHS: Line drive hitter when locked in. Average runner, average defender, above-average arm. Has line drive power, also ability to lift ball.

 

WEAKNESSES: Inconsistent approach. Struggles to find and maintain stroke; when swing is there so is line-drive oriented pull power. Would be doubles hitter whose gapers turn into home runs at best.

 

SUMMARY: Has some power but needs to find a way to keep level, line-drive oriented swing. Can throw enough, but doesn’t close gaps right now. Needs to prove he can maintain his plate approach; should be a solid every day regular.

[Cubs Fan Dan]

I really, honestly, have to tip my cap to Hendry on his offseason thus far. I dislike what he has done in the past, and I wouldn't be sad to see him go, but he is doing a fine job right now.

 

Hendry has always done a pretty damn good job in trades... Other than Wuertz, Garza has been the only big one in question and some people do not believe Hendry made a bad move...

 

I am quite intrigued by Burgess, even if the 2 pitchers are decent upside / raw prospects this deal should go down as a good one. Gorzelany's command (or lack of) is the reason he is being bounced around, he is as likely to put up a mid 5 ERA as he is to repeat last season.

That's just really incorrect. And besides, with this organization's obsession with handedness, this trade is likely to force someone with a lot worse qualifications than Gorzo to start next year. That said, I still like the trade in a vaccuum

 

I do not see how it is flat out incorrect, I could expand in saying I think Gorz is a decent pitcher but a starter with a 1.50 whip in his career, simply is not a safe bet is all I am saying. I agree that that puts a worse LH pitcher in the fold to start. My question is if he is a pitcher who is going to walk a lot of hitters will he continue to out perform his k/9 like he did last season? That is simply not a given... But it is just my opinion.

[davell]

Where would he rank as far as power goes in the system. Better than Golden?

 

 

Golden is really unknown right now. At this point, I'd say Golden has more POTENTIAL power than Burgess, but as far as guys in the upper levels of our system, I'd think Burgess is right there with Brett Jackson and Vitters for having the most possible thump.

 

And our system sorely lacks guys like this too, making this an even better pickup.

[dew1679666265]

I have no idea how good Burgess is but Gorzo was a pretty decent starter for us.

 

The good thing is, we've got plenty of other rotation options that are just as good or better. Z, Demp and Garza are locked in, Wells should be and Cashner and Silva both have the ability to match or exceed what Gorz gave us last year. Coleman/Diamond/JJax could all be serviceable as well.

 

I wasn't in favor of dumping Gorz for nothing, but I have no problem dealing him for good value – which it appears Hendry's done.

[davell]

This also potentially gives the Cubs more money to do other things. Spend on the draft or Int FA, add something at the deadline, etc......Which is nice. Especially for someone who's very easily replaceable, if you ask me.

 

I don't think that we HAVE to have a lefty in the rotation for it to be a strength. It'd be nice, but it's not a necessity. Does this mean Russell may have a better shot than before at making the rotation? Probably, but he may be able to do what Gorz did anyway. A 1.50ish WHIP isn't anything great obviously and we can probably get that out of alot of guys.

 

I had to go back and look what we gave up for Grabow and Gorzelanny, because I couldn't remember. It was Josh Harrison, Jose Ascanio, and Kevin Hart. Hendry sold high on Gorz and deserves a little praise on this move anyway.

[Outshined_One]

Kind of figures the Cubs would trade Gorz, despite the underrated numbers, but if Burgess is coming back, I'm intrigued.

[dew1679666265]

I do not see how it is flat out incorrect, I could expand in saying I think Gorz is a decent pitcher but a starter with a 1.50 whip in his career, simply is not a safe bet is all I am saying. I agree that that puts a worse LH pitcher in the fold to start. My question is if he is a pitcher who is going to walk a lot of hitters will he continue to out perform his k/9 like he did last season? That is simply not a given... But it is just my opinion.

 

His walk rate would keep him from being a really good pitcher, but if he can maintain the 7-9 K/9 he had the past couple of seasons (183 innings), he'll be better than a 5 ERA pitcher.

 

He doesn't quite have 500 IP in the majors yet, even though he's 28, and his minor league numbers were pretty solid.

[Post Count Padder]

I have no idea how good Burgess is but Gorzo was a pretty decent starter for us.

Eh, he was fairly average. A 99 ERA+ in his time here. Too inconsistent. He was cheap and is still young, but as someone said earlier, he is just as likely to post a 5+ ERA next year as he be a decent No. 4 starter. I wouldn't have minded keeping him, but getting value for him makes me feel good about this trade. And it removes some competition in Cashner's way for a rotation spot, which also makes it hard to dislike this deal.

[MWV]

I like Burgess' numbers. He seems to have decent on base skills for a 21 year old player. Can anyone more familiar with him share some scouting info? What kind of tools does he possess?

 

From what I've seen he hits a lot of line drives, has a great OF arm, but has a Tony Gwynn like physique which will obviously limit him as a player. Seems like his issue is inconsistency. Inconsistent performance, inconsistent approach to the plate, etc.

 

PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION: Stocky physique; Kirby Puckett type body; will need to watch. Strong upper body and torso, thick forearms, large and strong hands. Close to physical maturity peak.

 

STRENGTHS: Line drive hitter when locked in. Average runner, average defender, above-average arm. Has line drive power, also ability to lift ball.

 

WEAKNESSES: Inconsistent approach. Struggles to find and maintain stroke; when swing is there so is line-drive oriented pull power. Would be doubles hitter whose gapers turn into home runs at best.

 

SUMMARY: Has some power but needs to find a way to keep level, line-drive oriented swing. Can throw enough, but doesn’t close gaps right now. Needs to prove he can maintain his plate approach; should be a solid every day regular.

Thanks. When they started shopping Gorz my concern was that they wouldn't get value for him, but this trade sounds promising.

[Guest]

MLBTR saying A.J. Morris is one of the pitchers. He....is not as good as Michael Burgess.

[javy knows my name]

MLBTR saying A.J. Morris is one of the pitchers. He....is not as good as Michael Burgess.

hahaha

[davell]

True, but he's a 3 year college pitcher that was a 4th rounder and is actually one of their top 20 prospects most likely. They switched him to relief and he appeared to do better in that role.

[javy knows my name]

True, but he's a 3 year college pitcher that was a 4th rounder and is actually one of their top 20 prospects most likely. They switched him to relief and he appeared to do better in that role.

Despite (finally) showing some good peripherals in the last line, he seemed really old for his first go-round at A+.

[Rob]

Dealt a guy at a position of depth, got back a very intriguing prospect, and two others who could be interesting.

 

I like it.

[Guest]

True, but he's a 3 year college pitcher that was a 4th rounder and is actually one of their top 20 prospects most likely. They switched him to relief and he appeared to do better in that role.

 

Yeah, I looked at him again and he's not a terrible piece. My eyes first went to him being a swingman, and then to his underwhelming K rate(for a reliever) and it wasn't exactly filling me with excitement. Looking at his MiLB splits, he might've been hurt by his home park too.

[Post Count Padder]

MLBTR saying A.J. Morris is one of the pitchers. He....is not as good as Michael Burgess.

Yeah he's old for his level, but he seems to have a pretty decent K/BB ratio. If he can handle AA, maybe he'll finish the year in AAA or sneak into the pen in September somehow. Pretty big leap, but he seems to have some upside.

[davell]

I was wrong. He was much better BEFORE they switched him to the pen.

[Guest]

So ignoring the always iffy proposition of adding a back of the rotation arm from the remainder of the free agent class, who are the arms that realistically battle it out for the 5 spot, and in what order do we perceive their potential to earn that spot?

 

Silva- final year of a big contract, but health issues

Cashner- A bit of a boost being a lefty in a rotation that is all righties

Russell-Another lefty in a semi-crowded bullpen

Samardjiza

Carpenter

Jay Jackson

[CubsWin]

More people saying that Burgess is included in the deal.

 

http://natsinsider.blogspot.com/

[javy knows my name]

So ignoring the always iffy proposition of adding a back of the rotation arm from the remainder of the free agent class, who are the arms that realistically battle it out for the 5 spot, and in what order do we perceive their potential to earn that spot?

 

Silva- final year of a big contract, but health issues

Cashner- A bit of a boost being a lefty in a rotation that is all righties

Russell-Another lefty in a semi-crowded bullpen

Samardjiza

Carpenter

Jay Jackson

This is a good way to prove you didn't watch a single game last year