Bears game 12: Sunday, Dec 5 at DET on FOX

[Soul]

Whew. Glad that's settled.

[cubweiser03]

Couple weeks ago i remember Martz saying Bennett is really coming around for a slot receiver, i was like well i trust you Mike but i dont see it yet. Last 2 weeks...Bears have their new slot receiver. Fantastic game by Earl.

 

Oh and lol to wind it up and Shawn Dunston it.

[UMFan83]

Except that I believe we're hoping for NY to overtake PHI for the division since we hold the tiebreaker over PHI.

 

good point.

 

I'd still rather Philly win the division and have NYG fight for the WC. We don't have the tiebreaker with them but the Giants and Eagles still play as well as the Giants and Packers. The Packers game is a game where we'll be able to gain ground on one of those teams. I'm cheering for Philly because if Philly beats the Giants, the Packers/Giants game (in GB) gives the Giants a good chance to lose 2 games. At worst they would lose that Philly game and then beat the Packers and help us in the division.

 

The Bears magic number for the division is 4 I think. In the WC race, it's probably also 4.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

For like the fiftieth time, you are a smart guy but get intentionally stupid when reading my posts.

 

Jay has been throwing the ball around pretty much all season. I never said he was managing the game. But he was throwing the ball all around and turning it over. His yardage is slightly scaled back now, but he just isn't turning the ball over like he was early on.

everything you say is idiotic. You don't know a damn thing about football.

[jersey cubs fan]

How is the story of this game that blatant unnecesary roughness penalty. It barely meant anything but was clearly a foul.

[Wilson A2000]

 

For like the fiftieth time, you are a smart guy but get intentionally stupid when reading my posts.

 

Jay has been throwing the ball around pretty much all season. I never said he was managing the game. But he was throwing the ball all around and turning it over. His yardage is slightly scaled back now, but he just isn't turning the ball over like he was early on.

everything you say is idiotic. You don't know a damn thing about football.

 

What do you disagree with in my post exactly? Everything in that post is a fact that you really can't argue with. I've said 500 million stupid things on this board. At least find a good one to complain with.

 

I know that a fifth rated defense is a pretty dang good one. That would be at least one thing that I know that you don't. Don't bash me for my occasional Cutler hatred when you put on your meatball outfit and come here to complain after the Bears allow a big play every so often.

Edited December 6, 2010 by Wilson A2000

[UMFan83]

How is the story of this game that blatant unnecesary roughness penalty. It barely meant anything but was clearly a foul.

 

I agree, it was like a 7 yard penalty and it happened on 1st down. It's not like it was on 3rd down after a sack. Oh well let them frame the game however they want. We won and we're 9-3.

[Magnetic Curses]

 

For like the fiftieth time, you are a smart guy but get intentionally stupid when reading my posts.

 

Jay has been throwing the ball around pretty much all season. I never said he was managing the game. But he was throwing the ball all around and turning it over. His yardage is slightly scaled back now, but he just isn't turning the ball over like he was early on.

everything you say is idiotic. You don't know a damn thing about football.

 

What do you disagree with in my post exactly? Everything in that post is a fact that you really can't argue with. I've said 500 million stupid things on this board. At least find a good one to complain with.

 

well, for one, jay's ypa are up over the past couple of games, meaning he's been slinging it and not settling for checkdon throws over and over. he's been hitting the slant quite a bit and hitting his receivers in stride, and has been making plays down the field when protection breaks down. the touchdown pass to knox last week was off his back foot, his first touchdown pass to bennett last week split 3 defenders, his second to bennett was a thing of beauty, a perfect throw that only bennett could catch, a throw that if only a hair off could have resulted in a pick 6. his other td pass, to olsen, was a 50-50 ball that could have been picked off, had not cutler trusted olsen to go up and get it. these are not safe throws, they are big plays, needle-threading throws that big arms make.

 

the idea that he's toned it down a bit is also a myth. when he's throwing it, he's throwing it, it's just that we've had to inject a measure of rushing into our attack, which has made us more balanced and more dangerous. he has not stopped making tough throws at all.

[Wilson A2000]

I really can't think of a 7-step drop or a bomb that Cutler has attempted outside of the deep one to Hester last week in a while. I don't think you really needed a big arm to make the throws Jay has been making. You just need an accurate one and Jay has certainly been much more accurate. The intermediate and short stuff has been the focus. It seems that the Bears have really had in increase in yards after the catch too. When I said that Jay has toned it down, that is obviously the result of changes made at the bye week. The Bears are trying to rush more to take the pressure off of Jay and the line. When I said he toned it down, he was toning it down because Martz is trying to be more balanced. Jay's yardage per game is definitely down from where it was the first few weeks of the season.

[Magnetic Curses]

I really can't think of a 7-step drop or a bomb that Cutler has attempted outside of the deep one to Hester last week in a while. I don't think you really needed a big arm to make the throws Jay has been making.

 

wait, are you saying you need a "big arm" to throw the ball deep? what on earth?

 

You just need an accurate one and Jay has certainly been much more accurate. The intermediate and short stuff has been the focus.

 

i don't know what to say to this. jay has certainly been using a superior arm to do the things he's been doing. it takes a strong arm to make the intermediate throws the way he's making them. i'm not sure you realize arm strength isn't all chucking it deep.

 

It seems that the Bears have really had in increase in yards after the catch too.

 

like i said, when you're hitting your receivers in stride on slants, rather than making them wait and get killed, that tends to happen.

 

When I said he toned it down, he was toning it down because Martz is trying to be more balanced. Jay's yardage per game is definitely down from where it was the first few weeks of the season.

 

did you read my post at all? these aren't arguments you're making here, i'm not sure what they are.

[Wilson A2000]

Yes I read your post and it said nothing of yardage per game. Toning it down means relying less on Jay and relying more on the run. That is why Jay's yards per game are down a little. But as I originally said, Jay has pretty much been slinging it around all season. He has dipped a tad since the bye. He just hasn't made the dumb throws lately. Edited December 6, 2010 by Wilson A2000

[Magnetic Curses]

Yes I read your post and it said nothing of yardage per game.

 

but you weren't paying attention obviously when i talked about balance, then.

[Wilson A2000]

Yes I read your post and it said nothing of yardage per game.

 

but you weren't paying attention obviously when i talked about balance, then.

 

I'm not the only one.

 

Jay has been throwing the ball around pretty much all season. I never said he was managing the game. But he was throwing the ball all around and turning it over. His yardage is slightly scaled back now, but he just isn't turning the ball over like he was early on.

 

When I said he toned it down, he was toning it down because Martz is trying to be more balanced.

 

It seems that we are pretty much saying the same thing.

[Magnetic Curses]

Yes I read your post and it said nothing of yardage per game.

 

but you weren't paying attention obviously when i talked about balance, then.

 

I'm not the only one.

 

Jay has been throwing the ball around pretty much all season. I never said he was managing the game. But he was throwing the ball all around and turning it over. His yardage is slightly scaled back now, but he just isn't turning the ball over like he was early on."

 

It seems that we are pretty much saying the same thing.

 

yeah, but you are implying that it's more about martz simplifying the playbook for jay rather than balance. the balance issue is completely separate from "scaling jay back". the pass has kick-started the run and the more they run, the less they pass. however, the pass plays that jay is running aren't any "safer" than the ones he was running at the beginning of the year. they've made adjustments, but they aren't reining jay in in the slightest.

[Guest]

You certainly need arm strength to make intermediate throws.

[rawaction]

Jay makes amazing throws that are barely noticeable. He made a 3rd down throw to Bennett in the 1st half (believe on the 2nd TD drive) that was a 12-15 yard out route that he threw off his back foot, about 10 yards deep in the pocket, and he hit Bennett on the dead run. He's done this several times since the bye too.

[Wilson A2000]

I don't know if I want Dan Pompei on my side. Desperately trying to find a Brad Biggs article.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-1126-bears-pompei-chicago--20101125,0,4506798.column

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/2938780,CST-SPT-bear1202.article

[Magnetic Curses]

it's obvious that they can't go deep because jay will get killed on the 7-step drop, not because he's being limited in any way.

[Magnetic Curses]

why did you link those articles?

[mul21]

I don't know if I want Dan Pompei on my side. Desperately trying to find a Brad Biggs article.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-1126-bears-pompei-chicago--20101125,0,4506798.column

 

I'm not sure how that's on your side. He puts the blame squarely on the lack of pass protection and then says Cutler has thrown the 12th most (I think?) deep balls of all NFL QBs.

 

On top of that, think about the Rams with Warner at QB. They didn't throw a lot of deep balls either. It's a lot of timing that relies on getting the ball out quickly and hitting your receiver in stride so they can run with it. I just think we're seeing the offense evolve as Martz figure out what everybody does best, and a great example of that is the development of Bennett over the last month or so.

[UMFan83]

Yeah the Bears don't need to throw the deep ball a lot with their offense. They get big gains just as a part of the Martz style offense that gets the ball to receivers with room to run. How many times has a short slant route turned into a 35 yard gain.

[Wilson A2000]

why did you link those articles?

 

Dude seriously stop being intentionally stupid. I really don't know what you are trying to prove by somehow not seeing how those links are issues I directly brought up a few posts back.

 

I earlier said that the Bears haven't been throwing the deep ball as much. I also said that the Bears passing offense and their yards per attempt looks a little larger than it really is because of the yards after the carry that the receivers have been generating.

[Magnetic Curses]

why did you link those articles?

 

Dude seriously stop being intentionally stupid. I really don't know what you are trying to prove by somehow not seeing how those links are issues I directly brought up a few posts back.

 

I earlier said that the Bears haven't been throwing the deep ball as much. I also said that the Bears passing offense and their yards per attempt looks a little larger than it really is because of the yards after the carry that the receivers have been generating.

 

and as i said, your implication is that the staff is limiting the plays so as to protect jay from turning the ball over, not to employ a more balanced attack. those links do nothing for that argument, which you've muddled like a cherry in an old fashioned.

Edited December 6, 2010 by Stannis

[Wilson A2000]

it's obvious that they can't go deep because jay will get killed on the 7-step drop, not because he's being limited in any way.

 

I think it is a little of both. Jay is not a good decision maker when under pressure.

[minnesotacubsfan]

huh?