Bears game 12: Sunday, Dec 5 at DET on FOX

[jersey cubs fan]

I watched the whole game but for the life of me cannot remember Julius Peppers recording a sack as the stats suggest.

 

Right after the early 3rd quarter fumble. I want to say it involved chasing Stanton out of bounds, but not really sure.

[wekse]

Didn't really start drinking until after the game, but if my memory holds I think the players who stood out in a good way were Cutler, Bennett, Peppers, Idonije, Gould, Manumanamama and Forte. Moore was a little up and down. Maynard was probably decent.

 

The linebackers were disappointing. Did Tommie Harris play? I rememeber seeing Harrison and Toeaina, but not doing anything special.

 

I don't remember seeing Tommie. Olsen actually did a really good job blocking yesterday which is a stunner. There was one play that they pointed out of TV, but there were a couple more where he made a nice block either down field or in the backfield to extend plays.

 

Hester was invisible in all fascets of the game yesterday. Knox didn't seem to get targeted a lot at all. If it wasn't for Bennett, the WRs would have graded really poorly yesterday.

 

except for that punt he almost took back.

[tfarks]

Hester leads the league in being tackled by a kicker/punter

[jersey cubs fan]

Hester was invisible in all fascets of the game yesterday.

 

Not really. He had one nice return.

[Banedon]

The Peppers sack did indeed come when he chased Peppers out of bounds. If the QB runs OOB for a loss as a result of pressure, it counts as a sack.

 

Didn't really start drinking until after the game, but if my memory holds I think the players who stood out in a good way were Cutler, Bennett, Peppers, Idonije, Gould, Manumanamama and Forte. Moore was a little up and down. Maynard was probably decent.

 

The linebackers were disappointing. Did Tommie Harris play? I rememeber seeing Harrison and Toeaina, but not doing anything special.

 

Peppers had a pretty weak first half though. I know he got blown up on the Stanton TD run. And Urlacher played pretty strong in the 2nd half...he ended up with 17 tackles for the game.

 

I just think the D overall came in too confident in the first half. Apparently Lovie actually yelled at the D at the half...which I have a hard time picturing. But apparently it worked.

[Sammy Sofa]

Except for that return where he was one kicker away from breaking an NFL record, Hester was invisible, guys.

[jersey cubs fan]

I just think the D overall came in too confident in the first half. Apparently Lovie actually yelled at the D at the half...which I have a hard time picturing. But apparently it worked.

 

That isn't the first time that Lovie has supposedly blown up at the defense.

[Banedon]

I just think the D overall came in too confident in the first half. Apparently Lovie actually yelled at the D at the half...which I have a hard time picturing. But apparently it worked.

 

That isn't the first time that Lovie has supposedly blown up at the defense.

 

Maybe so. I just meant that I just have a hard time visualizing it. I don't know what "angry, yelling Lovie" looks like. I've seen him snippy with the media, but not much more than that.

[Guest]

Hester leads the league in being tackled by a kicker/punter

 

Probably because he's given more punters and kickers an opportunity than any other returner.

[rawaction]

The Peppers sack did indeed come when he chased Peppers out of bounds. If the QB runs OOB for a loss as a result of pressure, it counts as a sack.

 

Didn't really start drinking until after the game, but if my memory holds I think the players who stood out in a good way were Cutler, Bennett, Peppers, Idonije, Gould, Manumanamama and Forte. Moore was a little up and down. Maynard was probably decent.

 

The linebackers were disappointing. Did Tommie Harris play? I rememeber seeing Harrison and Toeaina, but not doing anything special.

 

Peppers had a pretty weak first half though. I know he got blown up on the Stanton TD run. And Urlacher played pretty strong in the 2nd half...he ended up with 17 tackles for the game.

 

I just think the D overall came in too confident in the first half. Apparently Lovie actually yelled at the D at the half...which I have a hard time picturing. But apparently it worked.

 

Yeah, Urlacher was a monster in the 2nd half. He had 7 (5 solo, 2 assists) second half tackles (Detroit only ran about 24 plays), and if you include the 1/2 sack, the total yards on the tackles he made was 0. Nick Roach got hurt at some point and Rod Wilson played some SLB (poorly). Briggs missed an buttload of tackles in the 1st half.

 

Maynard was typically his not decent self. Did have 1 punt inside the 10 though, which is the only value he provides at this point. You're pretty on point with the guys that did well. Also, Olsen should get props. Even though he only caught 1 ball, he did a great job blocking on the perimeter and sprung Forte for a couple decent runs.

[jersey cubs fan]

Maynard was typically his not decent self. Did have 1 punt inside the 10 though, which is the only value he provides at this point.

 

I thought he had 2. Plus he boomed one after being backed up in his own goal line.

[rawaction]

Maynard was typically his not decent self. Did have 1 punt inside the 10 though, which is the only value he provides at this point.

 

I thought he had 2.

 

Yeah, you're right. I blocked out the one to the 9 that turned into a TD 20 seconds later.

[UMFan83]

Didn't really start drinking until after the game, but if my memory holds I think the players who stood out in a good way were Cutler, Bennett, Peppers, Idonije, Gould, Manumanamama and Forte. Moore was a little up and down. Maynard was probably decent.

 

The linebackers were disappointing. Did Tommie Harris play? I rememeber seeing Harrison and Toeaina, but not doing anything special.

 

I don't remember seeing Tommie. Olsen actually did a really good job blocking yesterday which is a stunner. There was one play that they pointed out of TV, but there were a couple more where he made a nice block either down field or in the backfield to extend plays.

 

Hester was invisible in all fascets of the game yesterday. Knox didn't seem to get targeted a lot at all. If it wasn't for Bennett, the WRs would have graded really poorly yesterday.

 

except for that punt he almost took back.

 

[expletive] I forgot about that. Well...he got tripped up by the [expletive] punter for gods sake. Did you know that 65% of all tackles made by punters and kickers over the last 3 NFL seasons were made tackling Hester?

 

OK I just made that up but still. :)

[UMFan83]

Except for that return where he was one kicker away from breaking an NFL record, Hester was invisible, guys.

 

Yeah whoops, I forgot about that.

[Wilson A2000]

 

For like the fiftieth time, you are a smart guy but get intentionally stupid when reading my posts.

 

Jay has been throwing the ball around pretty much all season. I never said he was managing the game. But he was throwing the ball all around and turning it over. His yardage is slightly scaled back now, but he just isn't turning the ball over like he was early on.

everything you say is idiotic. You don't know a damn thing about football.

 

I had to quote this because it's the truth.

 

After reading this entire thread, your argument makes zero sense and you come off as a stammering bumbling bafoon when trying to explain how you think Jay Cutler doesn't throw deep balls, can't make good decisions and how the offense has phased him out since the bye. Your "argument" is not pointing or articulated, but rather stupid and all over the place.

 

How can I really consider your post when I didn't say one single thing you said I did in context? If you are going to jump in at the end, at least quote my inarticulate and stupid argument correctly. Where did I say he can't make good decisions at all? I said under pressure he is a bad decision maker. That would mean when he is not under pressure he is a fine decision maker. I also said that you give the guy an average line he will be a Pro Bowler. The offense has phased him out? You were probably referring to my post when I said the Bears are still throwing the ball all over the place. Does that sound like I said that the offense has phased Jay out? Why even post if you are going to over exaggerate everything I say? What point does that prove?

[Sammy Sofa]

You also said he was the weak link and still stubbornly stick by that. That's why everyone likes poking you with sticks.

[Wilson A2000]

You also said he was the weak link and still stubbornly stick by that. That's why everyone likes poking you with sticks.

 

He is better than OK right now. He is playing like a top 10 QB, the QB he should have been all along. I give Jay and the line some credit. But the line only gets credit for not being the worst in the league the last few games.

 

When Jay got here he was expected to bring with him Pro Bowl talent. It's finally nice to see it on a consistent basis.

 

So he's not the Weak Link anymore?

 

Nope.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yes, but you still insist he was the weak link at some point, as in the reason the team is losing and they'd likely be winning if he wasn't in there.

[Magnetic Curses]

Yes, but you still insist he was the weak link at some point, as in the reason the team is losing and they'd likely be winning if he wasn't in there.

 

he called him the weak link after the third win in a row.

[Wilson A2000]

Yes, but you still insist he was the weak link at some point, as in the reason the team is losing and they'd likely be winning if he wasn't in there.

 

Yeah at one point I thought he was. After the concussion and during the Seattle and Washington games his rating was like 62 and he had 4 picks and 1 TD.

[Wilson A2000]

Yes, but you still insist he was the weak link at some point, as in the reason the team is losing and they'd likely be winning if he wasn't in there.

 

he called him the weak link after the third win in a row.

 

Yeah I think I said it then too.

[Guest]

Yes, but you still insist he was the weak link at some point, as in the reason the team is losing and they'd likely be winning if he wasn't in there.

 

he called him the weak link after the third win in a row.

 

Yeah I think I said it then too.

 

The problem with your grading of quarterbacks is that they aren't all working under the same conditions. And based on how I have been reading your posts, you act like the best qb's never make a poor decision or never make mistakes. Peyton Manning has 7 interceptions over the last 2 games.

 

You were also incorrect when you declared earlier in this thread that the Bears offensive line isn't the worst in the league anymore. That's not true. They are the worst and I don't believe anyone is a close 2nd to that unit. Cutler makes them look better than they did earlier in the year by making quicker decisions, snappier throws, running when necessary and maybe tucking a ball under his armpit and taking the loss instead of making an ill advised throw like he did last season and occasionally this season.

 

You also have to look into the mindset of a qb. If you have an awesome offensive line that always gives you protection to set up any play you want, you develop a sense of security and confidence to make the plays happen. Jay's line has been so horrible, he has to have one eye looking behind him at all times. He doesn't have the ability to "trust" his line. He is working under a much larger handicap than many qb's experience. When you have been knocked out, shoved around, sacked as often as he has, hit on just about every pass play, it's hard to dust yourself off and get back in there knowing that you are probably going to get knocked on your ass again on the next play.

 

That Cutler has this team at 9-3 with this offensive line is a credit to his ability as a qb to fight off the pressure, forgive the inadequacies of his weak offensive line and still put points on the board. Call me a homer, but I've watched a guy who looks like he could be killed at any given moment on that football field win ball games that it looked like we could have very easily lost.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yes, but you still insist he was the weak link at some point, as in the reason the team is losing and they'd likely be winning if he wasn't in there.

 

Yeah at one point I thought he was. After the concussion and during the Seattle and Washington games his rating was like 62 and he had 4 picks and 1 TD.

 

He still wasn't the weak link. The weak link implies they'd have been better off without him playing.

[Guest]

My take on the Suh personal foul......

 

After several reviews of the play, I could honestly say that maybe it shouldn't have been called a personal foul. The problem is that you put it into the hands of the decision makers to call you on that play by going up high like that when it is completely unnecessary.

 

I keep seeing Steeler defenders doing the same thing, gambling that they can hurt the opposing player with a questionable hit, and then getting mad when they get called on it. Sorry. Suh could have wrapped Cutler up around the waste on that play and nothing would have been called. That he felt it was necessary to lunge up high and close to the head of a quarterback put the decision into the hands of the referees, who had only seconds to make a decision on whether they felt there should be a flag thrown. He was clearly trying to do more than just make a tackle on that play, and referees are exercising on the side of caution.

 

Anybody defending Suh on that play isn't really looking at the play as it happened, or making a split second decision as it happened. If a referee could sit there and analyze it over and over and in slow motion, the flag may have never left his pocket. However, that is clearly not the case.

[Magnetic Curses]

i would not want to see suh wrap cutler up around the waste. gross