NFL Week 8

[Banedon]

richeisen

 

Can this PLEASE get more bizarre! RT @Jay_Glazer Moss still has not been waived & the player has still not been told directly from coach yet

[jersey cubs fan]

A good old fashioned November Fool's joke.

[hawkeyecub]

FWIW the spin on it from the team is that sources are claiming this is the most positive thing to happen this year. Supposedly his effort in practice was awful and was starting to rub off on or they were worried about it affecting younger guys. On film they've been seeing that they're playing 10 on 11 consistently when he's there. The play on the PI where he gave up on what could have been a TD was also alarming.

 

Also last week he stood up in a meeting and told the other players to stop saying anything about him or what he was saying and doing to the media. He was distant, grumpy and just wanted to be back in New England. They thought they had to do it to salvage the season.

 

Some of the backlash now and I agree with it, is that Childress had his presser at 12:30, then met with the team at 1:00 and told them about it. Either move up the team meeting or push back the press conference but don't answer a question about him and then force Ben Leber to break the news.

[JonJayCutler]

Agreed, that was amazing. A banged-up Packers team shut out a Super Bowl contender coming off their bye week and doing it on the road. I don't care that they only scored 9 points, that is just incredible.

 

Bears fans can swallow their bile now.

 

What the hell is this supposed to mean? It's not like one win against a contending team makes you Super Bowl contenders yourself. Remember when the Bears beat the Colts in 08 and the Steelers last year? You might win the division, but the fact is nobody in our division should be bragging at this point. GB is still a very flawed team.

 

Saying a month ago that the Packers fans on this board are respectful is the biggest plate of crow I have ever eaten.

[UMFan83]

Agreed, that was amazing. A banged-up Packers team shut out a Super Bowl contender coming off their bye week and doing it on the road. I don't care that they only scored 9 points, that is just incredible.

 

Bears fans can swallow their bile now.

 

What the hell is this supposed to mean? It's not like one win against a contending team makes you Super Bowl contenders yourself. Remember when the Bears beat the Colts in 08 and the Steelers last year? You might win the division, but the fact is nobody in our division should be bragging at this point. GB is still a very flawed team.

 

Saying a month ago that the Packers fans on this board are respectful is the biggest plate of crow I have ever eaten.

 

I missed that post originally, was there some sort of context to that remark about the Bears? I dont understand why the Bears would be swallowing bile because the Jets lost to the Packers? I don't think any of the Bears fans on the board even care at this point.

 

Edit: Oh it was chuckywang. Nevermind.

Edited November 1, 2010 by UMFan83

[UMFan83]

FWIW the spin on it from the team is that sources are claiming this is the most positive thing to happen this year. Supposedly his effort in practice was awful and was starting to rub off on or they were worried about it affecting younger guys. On film they've been seeing that they're playing 10 on 11 consistently when he's there. The play on the PI where he gave up on what could have been a TD was also alarming.

 

Also last week he stood up in a meeting and told the other players to stop saying anything about him or what he was saying and doing to the media. He was distant, grumpy and just wanted to be back in New England. They thought they had to do it to salvage the season.

 

Some of the backlash now and I agree with it, is that Childress had his presser at 12:30, then met with the team at 1:00 and told them about it. Either move up the team meeting or push back the press conference but don't answer a question about him and then force Ben Leber to break the news.

 

OK, I'm on board now. Totally sign him up for the Bears.

[Flames24Rulz]

Agreed, that was amazing. A banged-up Packers team shut out a Super Bowl contender coming off their bye week and doing it on the road. I don't care that they only scored 9 points, that is just incredible.

 

Bears fans can swallow their bile now.

 

What the hell is this supposed to mean? It's not like one win against a contending team makes you Super Bowl contenders yourself. Remember when the Bears beat the Colts in 08 and the Steelers last year? You might win the division, but the fact is nobody in our division should be bragging at this point. GB is still a very flawed team.

 

Saying a month ago that the Packers fans on this board are respectful is the biggest plate of crow I have ever eaten.

 

Just because one guy is an idiot doesn't mean the whole fan base is.

[Careless]

The degree to which Packer fans are pumping up the Jets now is hilarious. My grandfather came in telling me how people thought the Jets were "the best team in the NFL" and how impressed he was with the win. Nice job beating the most overrated team in the league with two ref-gifted turnovers on your side of the field. and I'm rooting for the Packers to win that game and the division this season

[Flames24Rulz]

The degree to which Packer fans are pumping up the Jets now is hilarious. My grandfather came in telling me how people thought the Jets were "the best team in the NFL" and how impressed he was with the win. Nice job beating the most overrated team in the league with two ref-gifted turnovers on your side of the field. and I'm rooting for the Packers to win that game and the division this season

 

I think the Tramon one was clean. I don't know how you're able to overturn that call.

 

The Woodson one was definitely not a pick, but he sold it really well. Thankfully, Rex Ryan's an idiot and wasted a challenge early in the game.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

Wow, sucks to be a Vikings fan. Your team sells its souls to win, and it still can't win. That's downright depressing. I can't comprehend how Childress is still employed.

[Soul]

I don't know what the hell is happening in Minnesota, but it's fun to watch.

[shnsajax]

I don't know what the hell is happening in Minnesota, but it's fun to watch.

 

I think the Cowboys should sign Moss. That would be fun, what the hell.

[hawkeyecub]

Mortensen was saying that it's possible Childress completely did this on his own without approval from management or owners and that's why they haven't actually waived him yet. I have a really hard time buying that. That's one thing that could get him fired soon. What a circus. Now tomorrow you'll see Childress fired and Moss back.

 

This Shanahan/McNabb thing is completely weird also.

[Cubswin11]

Is putting someone on waivers in the NFL the same things as MLB? The Vikings could just be measuring interest in him and hold onto him in the end. Just like how most MLB teams put a good amount of their players on waivers every year.

[hawkeyecub]

Is putting someone on waivers in the NFL the same things as MLB? The Vikings could just be measuring interest in him and hold onto him in the end. Just like how most MLB teams put a good amount of their players on waivers every year.

 

No way. He would not come back if Childress is still there. If his effort wasn't bad enough last week...

[Cubswin11]

Is putting someone on waivers in the NFL the same things as MLB? The Vikings could just be measuring interest in him and hold onto him in the end. Just like how most MLB teams put a good amount of their players on waivers every year.

 

No way. He would not come back if Childress is still there. If his effort wasn't bad enough last week...

I know, Moss is likely gone. But just in general is the waiver processes similar for both MLB and NFL?

[CubColtPacer]

Is putting someone on waivers in the NFL the same things as MLB? The Vikings could just be measuring interest in him and hold onto him in the end. Just like how most MLB teams put a good amount of their players on waivers every year.

 

No way. He would not come back if Childress is still there. If his effort wasn't bad enough last week...

I know, Moss is likely gone. But just in general is the waiver processes similar for both MLB and NFL?

 

MLB has both revocable waivers (which is the type that most players get put on every year) and irrevocable waivers. IIRC, NFL has only irrevocable waivers, so Moss has to get released by the Vikings when they put him on waivers (or they have to give him up if he gets claimed).

[Formerly Snayke]

How in the world do those guys drop those passes from Manning?

[ELCABALLO45]

Quote of the week goes to Rodney Harrison talking about benching McNabb for Grossman in the final 2 min of the game.

 

"I wouldn't put Rex Grossman in a two minute offense in a high school game"

[UMFan83]

Quote of the week goes to Rodney Harrison talking about benching McNabb for Grossman in the final 2 min of the game.

 

"I wouldn't put Rex Grossman in a two minute offense in a high school game"

 

Ouch. He's not THAT bad. He's no Todd Collins. Probably one of the top 10 backups in the league. The later part of that though.

[hawkeyecub]

More stuff on Moss/Childress from the Star Tribune:

 

 

Coach Brad Childress long ago made it clear that he has final say over the Vikings 53-man roster. On Monday, he used that authority by making a decision that could come back to bite him in a big way.

 

Already fed up with Randy Moss' antics only four games into his second tenure with the Vikings, Childress informed his players at a team meeting that he would be placing the wide receivers on waivers. But there was one important issue.

 

Childress hadn't first told owner Zygi Wilf that he was going to jettison a guy the Vikings had acquired less than a month ago for a third-round pick from New England. Wilf was extremely upset, according to NFL sources and other reports, and he had good reason to be mad.

 

Not only had the Vikings traded away a piece of their future to get Moss, but they also took on a contract with a $6.4 million base salary for 2010. Wilf has been willing to spend money whenever he's asked but the Vikings don't generate enough revenue to be acquiring big-name players and then releasing them.

 

Obviously, Childress didn't want any push back from Wilf or others in the front office and so he decided to go forward with the plan to place Moss on waivers. The old act first, ask questions later. That's a move, however, that could cost Childress his job and definitely puts him on a very hot seat. The Vikings 2-5 start doesn't help matters and neither does the icy relationship between Childress and quarterback Brett Favre.

 

There are some of the Vikings coaching staff who are concerned this actually might be their last week of work.

 

It's interesting because one would think Childress had learned his lesson about making moves without telling ownership. In Childress' first season in 2006, he cut wide receiver Marcus Robinson on Christmas Eve and created a public relations disaster. Childress has since admitted he could have handled the situation much better and still gotten the same result.

 

The case of Moss is an interesting one. There are reports that some Vikings players really liked him, but it's known that feeling wasn't universal. At 33 years of age, Moss is still an extremely talented player but he isn't the guy who wowed fans during his first stint in Minnesota from 1998 to 2004. He had 13 receptions for 174 yards and two touchdowns in four games with the Vikings, who went 1-3 in that stretch.

 

Moss caught only one pass for 8 yards and no touchdowns in the Vikings' 28-18 loss on Sunday at New England. The upside was Moss' presence -- and the attention paid to him -- helped create favorable matchups for wide receiver Percy Harvin.

 

After Sunday's game, Moss broke a media silence that earned him a $25,000 fine by giving a rambling statement in which he praised his former team, the Patriots, and criticized the Vikings for not listening to his ideas on how to scheme for New England.

 

Childress said Monday that he had allowed Moss to stay in Boston after the game for a few days but an NFL source said it was Moss who informed the team he would be staying out East.

 

That likely didn't sit well at all with Childress. Neither did the fact that, according to those around the team, Moss treated few people with respect and last Friday when the Vikings had food brought into their locker room he loudly announced in front of the people who had prepared it that he wouldn't feed it to his dog.

 

While Childress' realization about Moss' character appears to be behind the reason behind the move, one does have to wonder how on earth the Vikings coach didn't do his due diligence beforehand and realize what a high-maintenance person Moss is before he signed off on the trade for him. Moss has been like this for years and so no one should have been surprised by the off-the-field issues he brought.

 

The fact Childress evidently was surprised -- or couldn't handle Moss -- likely isn't going to be viewed in a favorable light by his employer.

 

[ELCABALLO45]

God I love that it took less then a full calendar year for the Vikings to turn back into a complete mess.

[Wilson A2000]

"Childress said Monday that he had allowed Moss to stay in Boston after the game for a few days but an NFL source said it was Moss who informed the team he would be staying out East." What? Moss was planning on skipping the day after a game where they watch video to stay out east? Who does that?

[Careless]

beautiful play. I wonder how the Bears would have screwed up Manning if we'd ended up with him

[erik316wttn]

I'm loving that Brett Favre's career is crashing down around him in spectacular fashion.