Brutal, brutal season - worst I can remember

[daske17]

Read the bolded portion. I am not advocating for Hendry. I'm saying that I would want someone as president regardless of GM.

 

Then why are you asking what kind of job Hendry could have done with a baseball man as his boss? It's already been done. It's just not important, unless it's the only way to get rid of Jim Hendry (which of course it is not). The solution is getting rid of Hendry. There are plenty of non baseball men running baseball teams from the president's office.

 

You are officially arguing with yourself.

 

I was discussing in the hypothetical what kinds of decisions Hendry would have made in the past few offseasons if he had someone to tell him no. I theorized that it would have made more sense to have someone with knowledge of baseball in that position rather than a former legal counsel.

 

I then said that I would appreciate someone in with that knowledge as president moving forward regardless of who is GM instead of a former legal counsel.

 

Never once did I say that Hendry deserves to continue having his job. Never once did I say that MacPhail was a good president.

 

Last time I checked, this was a discussion, not an autocracy where you deem what it valid.

[jersey cubs fan]

Read the bolded portion. I am not advocating for Hendry. I'm saying that I would want someone as president regardless of GM.

 

Then why are you asking what kind of job Hendry could have done with a baseball man as his boss? It's already been done. It's just not important, unless it's the only way to get rid of Jim Hendry (which of course it is not). The solution is getting rid of Hendry. There are plenty of non baseball men running baseball teams from the president's office.

 

You are officially arguing with yourself.

 

I was discussing in the hypothetical what kinds of decisions Hendry would have made in the past few offseasons if he had someone to tell him no. I theorized that it would have made more sense to have someone with knowledge of baseball in that position rather than a former legal counsel.

 

I then said that I would appreciate someone in with that knowledge as president moving forward regardless of who is GM instead of a former legal counsel.

 

Never once did I say that Hendry deserves to continue having his job. Never once did I say that MacPhail was a good president.

 

But he was a president with the baseball man stamp and he failed, so why are you insisting that's what the team needs? You don't need a baseball man as president. Trusted baseball men are some of the stupidest people in the game. You need a competent GM. It really doesn't matter what line of work the president has in his history. People ridiculed McDonough for being nothing but a marketing man, but he's found success presiding over another sports team. The Yankees are run by a nothing but finance and law men, and the GM does the GM stuff.

[Tarver]

It's embarrassing that we've argued this for going on five years now.

 

I really wish Piniella would've finished the season.

[SouthSideRyan]

There are 8 teams in the playoffs. 2(!!) have presidents that are "baseball men" (Nolan Ryan and Schuerholz, who I'm quite sure does nothing but collect paychecks) The Reds have Jocketty as President of Baseball Operations/GM, and the other 5 have those dirty rotten outsiders.

[daske17]

Read the bolded portion. I am not advocating for Hendry. I'm saying that I would want someone as president regardless of GM.

 

Then why are you asking what kind of job Hendry could have done with a baseball man as his boss? It's already been done. It's just not important, unless it's the only way to get rid of Jim Hendry (which of course it is not). The solution is getting rid of Hendry. There are plenty of non baseball men running baseball teams from the president's office.

 

You are officially arguing with yourself.

 

I was discussing in the hypothetical what kinds of decisions Hendry would have made in the past few offseasons if he had someone to tell him no. I theorized that it would have made more sense to have someone with knowledge of baseball in that position rather than a former legal counsel.

 

I then said that I would appreciate someone in with that knowledge as president moving forward regardless of who is GM instead of a former legal counsel.

 

Never once did I say that Hendry deserves to continue having his job. Never once did I say that MacPhail was a good president.

 

But he was a president with the baseball man stamp and he failed, so why are you insisting that's what the team needs? You don't need a baseball man as president. Trusted baseball men are some of the stupidest people in the game. You need a competent GM. It really doesn't matter what line of work the president has in his history. People ridiculed McDonough for being nothing but a marketing man, but he's found success presiding over another sports team. The Yankees are run by a nothing but finance and law men, and the GM does the GM stuff.

 

McDonough had success in bringing people to the game, not with the game itself, because he had a successful GM and great players to begin with.

 

I'm arguing that the Ricketts need someone with baseball knowledge because they have none. They are relying on one man's opinion of what needs to be done with this organization. Ideally that means a competent GM. But as another poster has argued, I doubt they would know what that looks like.

[BigSlick]

i was born in 1985, my first real season as a fan was 1995. watched games and stuff before that, but didn't watch everyday and have the ups and downs. so that's your context here.

 

IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE MORE FUN TO BE A FAN OF:

 

yankees

red sox

rays

white sox

angels

phillies

braves

marlins

cardinals

diamondbacks

 

 

IT WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE FUN TO BE A FAN OF:

 

tigers

indians

twins

a's

mets

giants

rockies

 

WE ARE ABOUT THE SAME AS:

 

rangers

mariners

padres

dodgers

astros

 

WE HAVE IT BETTER THAN:

 

blue jays

orioles

royals

nats/expos

reds

brewers

pirates

im gonna have to argue your point on the Jays. They had at least 20 homers from every position on the field, so Citoball rules. Of course they'll never make the playoffs in that division but watching them play is probably way more fun

 

also they have 2 world series in my life time ( barely) so theres that

[ZipDog]

This season was not what I would call a fun time. Since 1955, I have witnessed many losing seasons; however, many of those seasons had teams that were still fun to watch. There merely were better team out there which had better won-loss records than the Cubs.

 

But, this season was not a season in which the team was fun to watch for me. Aside from a players, like the center fielder, there were few bright spots. The left fielder was a total pain to watch, for example. Piniellla was a pain to watch as he dissolved before our eyes. This Quade guy is not the guy, either. Forget about it!

 

I don't know that I am looking forward to next year or not. At least, not yet.

[TruffleShuffle]

toronto might have won the division if they played in the NL central or AL west this year. Edited October 6, 2010 by TruffleShuffle

[Sammy Sofa]

Of course they'll never make the playoffs in that division but watching them play is probably way more fun

 

That sounds hellish.

[davell]

If the Cubs got rid of Hendry and found someone more capable as a GM, I wouldn't necessarily think a President is all that important of a hire. But, since we have Hendry and I'm not sure when he leaves we'll find someone better equipped than him anyway, it makes sense to me to have someone else who's a baseball guy as well you have to answer to.

[17 Seconds]

I'm probably in the minority, but I'd rather have a team like the 2010 Cubs than the 05 or 09 Cubs. At least this year's Cubs had the decency to let me know where the season was headed in April.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

With just a tiny bit of pythagorean luck, the 2008 Blue Jays could have won that division.

[KingCubsFan]

If the Cubs got rid of Hendry and found someone more capable as a GM, I wouldn't necessarily think a President is all that important of a hire. But, since we have Hendry and I'm not sure when he leaves we'll find someone better equipped than him anyway, it makes sense to me to have someone else who's a baseball guy as well you have to answer to.

Like MacPhail?

[SouthSideRyan]

This season was not what I would call a fun time. Since 1955, I have witnessed many losing seasons; however, many of those seasons had teams that were still fun to watch. There merely were better team out there which had better won-loss records than the Cubs.

 

But, this season was not a season in which the team was fun to watch for me. Aside from a players, like the center fielder, there were few bright spots. The left fielder was a total pain to watch, for example. Piniellla was a pain to watch as he dissolved before our eyes. This Quade guy is not the guy, either. Forget about it!

 

I don't know that I am looking forward to next year or not. At least, not yet.

 

I can't decide if you actually don't know the players' names or not. Was the "center fielder" really a joy to watch as he collapsed down the stretch?

[SouthSideRyan]

So the conclusion here is, we have a bad GM, let's get a good president so the bad GM can't do damage?

 

Really?

[davell]

So the conclusion here is, we have a bad GM, let's get a good president so the bad GM can't do damage?

 

Really?

 

 

Or you go get a GOOD GM. But, do you have the faith in this organization to actually go and do THAT?????

[SouthSideRyan]

So the conclusion here is, we have a bad GM, let's get a good president so the bad GM can't do damage?

 

Really?

 

 

Or you go get a GOOD GM. But, do you have the faith in this organization to actually go and do THAT?????

 

If the reason the Cubs can't get a good GM is because the organization is dumb, why can we get a good, baseball lifer President?

[davell]

So the conclusion here is, we have a bad GM, let's get a good president so the bad GM can't do damage?

 

Really?

 

 

Or you go get a GOOD GM. But, do you have the faith in this organization to actually go and do THAT?????

 

If the reason the Cubs can't get a good GM is because the organization is dumb, why can we get a good, baseball lifer President?

 

 

I'm saying I don't see Hendry going anywhere, which IS dumb. I'm not saying that they don't have the ability to make a good hire, they're just choosing not to do so evidently. If Hendry sticks around here for another 2 seasons, do you have confidence he'll do things correctly?

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm saying I don't see Hendry going anywhere, which IS dumb. I'm not saying that they don't have the ability to make a good hire, they're just choosing not to do so evidently. If Hendry sticks around here for another 2 seasons, do you have confidence he'll do things correctly?

 

Of course not. And a baseball man becoming president wouldn't change my confidence one iota unless that baseball man's first order of business was canning Jim Hendry.

[davell]

I'm saying I don't see Hendry going anywhere, which IS dumb. I'm not saying that they don't have the ability to make a good hire, they're just choosing not to do so evidently. If Hendry sticks around here for another 2 seasons, do you have confidence he'll do things correctly?

 

Of course not. And a baseball man becoming president wouldn't change my confidence one iota unless that baseball man's first order of business was canning Jim Hendry.

 

And isn't that potentially a great reason for hiring one in the first place?

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm saying I don't see Hendry going anywhere, which IS dumb. I'm not saying that they don't have the ability to make a good hire, they're just choosing not to do so evidently. If Hendry sticks around here for another 2 seasons, do you have confidence he'll do things correctly?

 

Of course not. And a baseball man becoming president wouldn't change my confidence one iota unless that baseball man's first order of business was canning Jim Hendry.

 

And isn't that potentially a great reason for hiring one in the first place?

 

No.

 

Just fire Jim Hendry now. There's no reason to hire somebody else to fire Hendry.

[davell]

I'm saying I don't see Hendry going anywhere, which IS dumb. I'm not saying that they don't have the ability to make a good hire, they're just choosing not to do so evidently. If Hendry sticks around here for another 2 seasons, do you have confidence he'll do things correctly?

 

Of course not. And a baseball man becoming president wouldn't change my confidence one iota unless that baseball man's first order of business was canning Jim Hendry.

 

And isn't that potentially a great reason for hiring one in the first place?

 

No.

 

Just fire Jim Hendry now. There's no reason to hire somebody else to fire Hendry.

 

But, they are NOT going to fire Hendry right now. If they were, they wouldn't be letting him conduct the managerial search.

[jersey cubs fan]

But, they are NOT going to fire Hendry right now. If they were, they wouldn't be letting him conduct the managerial search.

 

So then hiring a baseball man as president isn't going to change that.

[SouthSideRyan]

My head hurts

[SouthSideRyan]

Jim Hendry needs to be fired, but we know they won't do that!!

 

They should hire a baseball man to fire Jim Hendry since they won't do it!!

 

You think the thought process going on in the front office is, "hey, let's bring in this old fart to be our president cause he's been in baseball for 50 years.

 

President: Thank you gentleman, it's great to be here, my first act of business is to fire Jim Hendry!!

 

Ricketts: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Foiled again