Bears game 4: Sunday Oct. 3 at NYG on NBC

[sneakypower]

if you think it's a QB's dream to have your primary options be Brandon Lloyd and Jabar Gaffney, i don't really know what to tell you

 

he also fared well last season without spreading the ball around

[jersey cubs fan]

if you think it's a QB's dream to have your primary options be Brandon Lloyd and Jabar Gaffney, i don't really know what to tell you

 

he also fared well last season without spreading the ball around

 

If you could read and respond to what is written we might be able to have a conversation.

[sneakypower]

your post was just a misguided dismissal, he wasn't in a "system designed to spread the ball around" last year, at all, and he still enjoyed reasonable success

[UMFan83]

I don't know how Orton can't be considered good. His last 2 1/4 seasons, 1 being with Chicago:

 

08: 58.5% Comp, 6.4 YPA, 18 TD, 12 INT, 5 fumbles lost, 79.6 Rating

Notes: Pretty mediocre season overall, but higher than expectations. Bears receiving options and o-line were fairly mediocre to below average. Numbers were higher before a high ankle sprain injury halfway through the season that he came back from early

 

09: 62.1% Comp, 7.0 YPA, 21 TD, 12 INT, 2 fumbles lost, 86.8 Rating

Notes: Numbers up across the board, but in a better offensive system with an elite WR and decently good Oline. Note that again, his numbers started out higher and dipped the later half of the season, although no known injury as an excuse.

 

10: 67.2% Comp, 8.1 YPA, 6 TD, 3 INT (Projects to 24 TD, 12 INT), 0 fumbles lost, 96.3 Rating

Notes: Another fast start. Will be interesting to see if he fades again in the 2nd half, but those are some solid numbers so far. WR options are notably worse this season, probably similar to what he had in Chicago in 2008 (Brandon Lloyd was on both squads). No running game to speak of.

[Flames24Rulz]

I don't know how Orton can't be considered good. His last 2 1/4 seasons, 1 being with Chicago:

 

08: 58.5% Comp, 6.4 YPA, 18 TD, 12 INT, 5 fumbles lost, 79.6 Rating

Notes: Pretty mediocre season overall, but higher than expectations. Bears receiving options and o-line were fairly mediocre to below average. Numbers were higher before a high ankle sprain injury halfway through the season that he came back from early

 

09: 62.1% Comp, 7.0 YPA, 21 TD, 12 INT, 2 fumbles lost, 86.8 Rating

Notes: Numbers up across the board, but in a better offensive system with an elite WR and decently good Oline. Note that again, his numbers started out higher and dipped the later half of the season, although no known injury as an excuse.

 

10: 67.2% Comp, 8.1 YPA, 6 TD, 3 INT (Projects to 24 TD, 12 INT), 0 fumbles lost, 96.3 Rating

Notes: Another fast start. Will be interesting to see if he fades again in the 2nd half, but those are some solid numbers so far.

 

Pretty sure Orton was hurt at the end of last year.

[Magnetic Curses]

orton is perfect for that offense. he's a smart, statuesque qb that gets the ball out quick and makes sound decisions but doesn't have any mobility or arm strength.

 

just like tom brady.

[JonJayCutler]

It doesn't matter what stats are out there, the Bears did absolutely the right thing by making that trade. Cutler's ceiling is higher than Orton's can ever dream of being. I don't know why QB rating is being tossed around so much anyway, it doesn't mean much.

[JonJayCutler]

And yes Orton's O-Line is only 100000x better in Denver. And that makes all the difference in the world.

[dew1679666265]

I don't know how Orton can't be considered good. His last 2 1/4 seasons, 1 being with Chicago:

 

08: 58.5% Comp, 6.4 YPA, 18 TD, 12 INT, 5 fumbles lost, 79.6 Rating

Notes: Pretty mediocre season overall, but higher than expectations. Bears receiving options and o-line were fairly mediocre to below average. Numbers were higher before a high ankle sprain injury halfway through the season that he came back from early

 

09: 62.1% Comp, 7.0 YPA, 21 TD, 12 INT, 2 fumbles lost, 86.8 Rating

Notes: Numbers up across the board, but in a better offensive system with an elite WR and decently good Oline. Note that again, his numbers started out higher and dipped the later half of the season, although no known injury as an excuse.

 

10: 67.2% Comp, 8.1 YPA, 6 TD, 3 INT (Projects to 24 TD, 12 INT), 0 fumbles lost, 96.3 Rating

Notes: Another fast start. Will be interesting to see if he fades again in the 2nd half, but those are some solid numbers so far. WR options are notably worse this season, probably similar to what he had in Chicago in 2008 (Brandon Lloyd was on both squads). No running game to speak of.

 

The completion percentage is nice, but I'd like to see a better TD:INT ratio in each of those years. I see Orton as a good fit for McDaniels' scheme, but not a highly naturally gifted QB. He's a system QB who has been fitted nicely into a system that suits him.

 

I'd hesitate to call him "very good" because of that – he's only a fit for a certain offensive scheme and wouldn't be very good on most teams.

[SpongeWorthy]

Running games aren't that important. Pass blocking and a system designed to spread the ball around are very QB friendly.

 

Saying running games isn't important is wrong for the most part. The myth is that you need to run to set up the pass, not that you don't need to be able to run well at all. Good offenses pass to set up the run, which the Bears tried to do at times, they just can't. Orton had one of the best running attacks in football last year. So did the Saints, Packers, Vikings, Cowboys and a bunch of other good offenses.

 

Only Peyton has shown he can guide an elite offense without the aid of a solid rushing attack year after year.

[Butterscup1679666578]

uhhh

 

Bears cut Mark Anderson and sign Charles Grant

 

Probably should've kept Alex Brown, eh?

[Banedon]

uhhh

 

Bears cut Mark Anderson and sign Charles Grant

 

Probably should've kept Alex Brown, eh?

 

Whoa.

[Wilson A2000]

Adewale still a FA?

 

Should have kept Alex Brown. So there is no chance Grant will be suspended because of the starcaps thing?

[Old Style]

Signed a dude that was cut by a UFL team? Sweeeeeeeeeeeet.

[Wilson A2000]

Signed a dude that was cut by a UFL team? Sweeeeeeeeeeeet.

 

Jerry wanted to give a second round pick to the Omaha Nighthawks, but he was told he couldn't do that.

[Banedon]

Adewale still a FA?

 

He's a Texan.