Bears game 4: Sunday Oct. 3 at NYG on NBC

[Wilson A2000]

I'm not reading every page but it's simple: The Bears are who we thought they were.

 

But even the commentators who don't like the Bears now still think they can go 7-1 at the half. I don't think anyone thought they would get 7 wins by the half. Maybe 7 by season's end.

 

I still can't figure them out. I would not be surprised if the line plays much better and the Bears blow out Carolina. The defense has been pretty solid though. I am pretty confident that they will bend and not break all season.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Sounds like good news, but who knows with "lovie talk".

 

Bears coach Lovie Smith indicated Monday that Jay Cutler (concussion) is not in danger of missing Week 5.

 

"He seemed like he's in pretty good shape right now," said Smith. "There's no visual signs, that I can tell. He seems like he's OK today. I'm hoping we have all three guys (quarterbacks) available for practice Wednesday." Backup Todd Collins also suffered a stinger against the Giants, but is expected to be fine to practice. Cutler has an easier matchup at Carolina in Week 5.

 

That's kind of a weird comment, isn't it.

 

Because with concussions I'm pretty sure everyone is going almost solely off what the doctors say, not what coaches obervations are. And Lovie doesn't mention the doctors at all in that quote.

 

So if it's just Lovie saying "There's no visual signs, that I can tell" then no disrespect to him -- but what he sees doesn't really matter. What does the doctor say? That's what pretty much everyone is going to want to know.

 

I read this and have to wonder if a doctor had actually looked at him or if the coaching staff yanked him. Later in that article, Lovie mentions that they are willing to get and "specialist" to look at Cutler as Cutler would request.

 

idk, I wonder if the staff just said to hell with getting him killed and pulled him.

[Careless]

I'm not reading every page but it's simple: The Bears are who we thought they were.

 

But even the commentators who don't like the Bears now still think they can go 7-1 at the half. I don't think anyone thought they would get 7 wins by the half. Maybe 7 by season's end.

 

I still can't figure them out. I would not be surprised if the line plays much better and the Bears blow out Carolina. The defense has been pretty solid though. I am pretty confident that they will bend and not break all season.

Sure, but you luck into three straight wins (sort of, in different ways) and your record at the half has to be screwy.

[Wilson A2000]

I'm not reading every page but it's simple: The Bears are who we thought they were.

 

But even the commentators who don't like the Bears now still think they can go 7-1 at the half. I don't think anyone thought they would get 7 wins by the half. Maybe 7 by season's end.

 

I still can't figure them out. I would not be surprised if the line plays much better and the Bears blow out Carolina. The defense has been pretty solid though. I am pretty confident that they will bend and not break all season.

Sure, but you luck into three straight wins (sort of, in different ways) and your record at the half has to be screwy.

 

I don't buy it that the Bears lucked into three straight wins. They outplayed Dallas and Green Bay.

[Wilson A2000]

Here is the Peter King article. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/10/04/week4/1.html#ixzz11OkgN1CK

 

The flaw in his argument is that you can't compare the two QBs by only showing their stats. The trade is better for Denver if Kyle Orton is a better QB with his surrounding parts on Denver than Jay would have been better with those parts. That is going to take some imagination and simply laying out the Cutler v. Orton stats doesn't do much for me.

[UMFan83]

Sounds like good news, but who knows with "lovie talk".

 

Bears coach Lovie Smith indicated Monday that Jay Cutler (concussion) is not in danger of missing Week 5.

 

"He seemed like he's in pretty good shape right now," said Smith. "There's no visual signs, that I can tell. He seems like he's OK today. I'm hoping we have all three guys (quarterbacks) available for practice Wednesday." Backup Todd Collins also suffered a stinger against the Giants, but is expected to be fine to practice. Cutler has an easier matchup at Carolina in Week 5.

 

That's kind of a weird comment, isn't it.

 

Because with concussions I'm pretty sure everyone is going almost solely off what the doctors say, not what coaches obervations are. And Lovie doesn't mention the doctors at all in that quote.

 

So if it's just Lovie saying "There's no visual signs, that I can tell" then no disrespect to him -- but what he sees doesn't really matter. What does the doctor say? That's what pretty much everyone is going to want to know.

 

I read this and have to wonder if a doctor had actually looked at him or if the coaching staff yanked him. Later in that article, Lovie mentions that they are willing to get and "specialist" to look at Cutler as Cutler would request.

 

idk, I wonder if the staff just said to hell with getting him killed and pulled him.

 

I listened to his press conference, and Lovie sounded like he had no idea about the new concussion rules. I think with all this new stuff known about concussions and the NFL making sure they enforce the rules, it would eventually come out if Cutler didn't really have a concussion.

[Careless]

I'm not reading every page but it's simple: The Bears are who we thought they were.

 

But even the commentators who don't like the Bears now still think they can go 7-1 at the half. I don't think anyone thought they would get 7 wins by the half. Maybe 7 by season's end.

 

I still can't figure them out. I would not be surprised if the line plays much better and the Bears blow out Carolina. The defense has been pretty solid though. I am pretty confident that they will bend and not break all season.

Sure, but you luck into three straight wins (sort of, in different ways) and your record at the half has to be screwy.

 

I don't buy it that the Bears lucked into three straight wins. They outplayed Dallas and Green Bay.

They were lucky to beat Detroit (although they outplayed them), were lucky that Dallas's owner doesn't like having decent kickers on his team, and the combination of earned penalties and mental mistakes from the PAckers is hard to tease apart. Statistically they were around average through the first three weeks, and are sure to drop well below that when they're redone tomorrow. The real surprise here is how bad the Packers are.

[Wilson A2000]

If your aunt had a.....

 

The Packers are a little overrated right now. They almost lost to Detroit. How many times does a team have to say "we are better than that" before everyone realizes that at the time they were not better than that?

[DivineBovine]

Here is the Peter King article. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/10/04/week4/1.html#ixzz11OkgN1CK

 

The flaw in his argument is that you can't compare the two QBs by only showing their stats. The trade is better for Denver if Kyle Orton is a better QB with his surrounding parts on Denver than Jay would have been better with those parts. That is going to take some imagination and simply laying out the Cutler v. Orton stats doesn't do much for me.

 

 

What a [expletive] argument by Peter King. His next article is going to be about what made Matt Cassell lose all his QB ability between 2008 and 2009.

[Magnetic Curses]

kyle orton would be dead and a very cheap funeral if he played for the bears last night.

[Guest]

Call me when Kyle Orton throws a pass farther than 10 yards. That his receivers know how to run after the catch does not make Kyle Orton some icon at his position. He had what, 450 yards passing in a single game recently, and his passer rating still didn't break 100. Now that is an amazing feat. He's just not that good.

[Banedon]

Call me when Kyle Orton throws a pass farther than 10 yards. That his receivers know how to run after the catch does not make Kyle Orton some icon at his position. He had what, 450 yards passing in a single game recently, and his passer rating still didn't break 100. Now that is an amazing feat. He's just not that good.

 

Look, I get that people still don't like Orton. A good buddy of mine doesn't, and he's a pretty football smart guy. You guys are in denial...Orton is a very good QB at this point.

 

He may have had his 400+ game where he didn't get over 100 passing rating, but the game before that, he had 300+ and had a passing rating of 117! His QB rating is just below 100 on the season...forget a single game. He's 4th in YDS/A, so he's throwing the ball downfield.

 

Taking YAC completely out of the picture, 43 of his 175 attempts have traveled further than 10 yards. It's actually the 11-20yd catches where he gets the most big plays.

 

For comparison, Cutler has thrown 34 of 102 attempts further than 10 yards. So yes, Cutler is throwing about 33% of his passes further than 10 yards, while Orton is around 24%. But I don't think that's enough to justify your post. He's a very good NFL QB. Time will tell how well it holds up, but I think it's pretty silly at this point to try and argue that he's not good.

[Banedon]

Two of the sacks came against five-man protections. Three came against six-man protections and another three came against seven. One came against eight.

 

If you're interested at all in just how bad the Bears pass protection is, Dan Pompei breaks it down...

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-bears-pompei-film-oct5,0,3440494.column

[Wilson A2000]

Orton threw for 450 and put up...13 points. Who cares about yardage. Offensive ranking should be determined by points.

[Banedon]

Orton threw for 450 and put up...13 points. Who cares about yardage. Offensive ranking should be determined by points.

 

He's thrown the same number of TD's as Cutler, and is tied for 8th in the league.

[Guest]

Orton threw for 450 and put up...13 points. Who cares about yardage. Offensive ranking should be determined by points.

yards are more predictive of future point performance than points scored.

[Guest]

Call me when Kyle Orton throws a pass farther than 10 yards. That his receivers know how to run after the catch does not make Kyle Orton some icon at his position. He had what, 450 yards passing in a single game recently, and his passer rating still didn't break 100. Now that is an amazing feat. He's just not that good.

 

Look, I get that people still don't like Orton. A good buddy of mine doesn't, and he's a pretty football smart guy. You guys are in denial...Orton is a very good QB at this point.

 

He may have had his 400+ game where he didn't get over 100 passing rating, but the game before that, he had 300+ and had a passing rating of 117! His QB rating is just below 100 on the season...forget a single game. He's 4th in YDS/A, so he's throwing the ball downfield.

 

Taking YAC completely out of the picture, 43 of his 175 attempts have traveled further than 10 yards. It's actually the 11-20yd catches where he gets the most big plays.

 

For comparison, Cutler has thrown 34 of 102 attempts further than 10 yards. So yes, Cutler is throwing about 33% of his passes further than 10 yards, while Orton is around 24%. But I don't think that's enough to justify your post. He's a very good NFL QB. Time will tell how well it holds up, but I think it's pretty silly at this point to try and argue that he's not good.

 

Please tell me that you don't believe that the offensive line is directly responsible for the amount of short passes that Cutler has been throwing this year. If he held the ball as long as Orton gets to on each pass play, he'd already be dead.

 

I didn't say he's not good, which is what you are implying. I said he's not that good, which is completely different. They are comparing him to Cutler and there is no comparison between the two. Slants, dumps and screens is what Orton does. It seems to work for Denver. There is no deep threat with him. If he didn't have the deep pass threat with Cutler's offensive line, he'd already be dead by now.

[Banedon]

Please tell me that you don't believe that the offensive line is directly responsible for the amount of short passes that Cutler has been throwing this year. If he held the ball as long as Orton gets to on each pass play, he'd already be dead.

 

I didn't say he's not good, which is what you are implying. I said he's not that good, which is completely different. They are comparing him to Cutler and there is no comparison between the two. Slants, dumps and screens is what Orton does. It seems to work for Denver. There is no deep threat with him. If he didn't have the deep pass threat with Cutler's offensive line, he'd already be dead by now.

 

Orton is a very good QB. I think saying he's "not that good" is disingenous. He's not the same style of QB as Cutler. Comparing them is fruitless. Cutler may throw longer, but he throws a lot more picks too. Which QB would personally I rather have? Cutler. But that's more about what I think works better in the Mike Martz offense. Orton has been a very good QB for the style of offense that is run in Denver.

[jersey cubs fan]

Please tell me that you don't believe that the offensive line is directly responsible for the amount of short passes that Cutler has been throwing this year. If he held the ball as long as Orton gets to on each pass play, he'd already be dead.

 

I didn't say he's not good, which is what you are implying. I said he's not that good, which is completely different. They are comparing him to Cutler and there is no comparison between the two. Slants, dumps and screens is what Orton does. It seems to work for Denver. There is no deep threat with him. If he didn't have the deep pass threat with Cutler's offensive line, he'd already be dead by now.

 

Orton is a very good QB. I think saying he's "not that good" is disingenous. He's not the same style of QB as Cutler. Comparing them is fruitless. Cutler may throw longer, but he throws a lot more picks too. Which QB would personally I rather have? Cutler. But that's more about what I think works better in the Mike Martz offense. Orton has been a very good QB for the style of offense that is run in Denver.

 

Kyle Orton is not a very good NFL QB. He's very good in comparison to all other people who have played the position of quarterback in the history of the sport of american football. But he is not a "very good" NFL QB. He's in a very good situation.

[Banedon]

Kyle Orton is not a very good NFL QB. He's very good in comparison to all other people who have played the position of quarterback in the history of the sport of american football. But he is not a "very good" NFL QB. He's in a very good situation.

 

I'd say there's a lot of very good QB's that owe their "very goodness" to being in a very good situation. In any case, I don't think it's worth splitting the hairs here. Lets just reword it. Kyle Orton has exceeded the expectations that many had for him when he went to Denver. Cutler, whether he's a "better QB" than Orton or not, has not met the expectations that many had for him when he came to Chicago. The two had vastly different expectations, no doubt. But it's where the perception is coming from that Orton is better than Cutler.

[jersey cubs fan]

Kyle Orton is not a very good NFL QB. He's very good in comparison to all other people who have played the position of quarterback in the history of the sport of american football. But he is not a "very good" NFL QB. He's in a very good situation.

 

I'd say there's a lot of very good QB's that owe their "very goodness" to being in a very good situation. In any case, I don't think it's worth splitting the hairs here. Lets just reword it. Kyle Orton has exceeded the expectations that many had for him when he went to Denver. Cutler, whether he's a "better QB" than Orton or not, has not met the expectations that many had for him when he came to Chicago. The two had vastly different expectations, no doubt. But it's where the perception is coming from that Orton is better than Cutler.

 

If that's a perception out there then it's coming from idiocy, not expectations.

[sneakypower]

Call me when Kyle Orton throws a pass farther than 10 yards.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81ad9916/Lloyd-48-yard-TD

[Sammy Sofa]

Meatballs or meatheads think Orton is better?

[sneakypower]

how is Orton in a good situation?

 

no running game to speak of, and a stable of receivers comprised entirely of castoffs and misfits

 

who's the best receiving threat on that team?

[jersey cubs fan]

Running games aren't that important. Pass blocking and a system designed to spread the ball around are very QB friendly.