Bears game 4: Sunday Oct. 3 at NYG on NBC

[soapy]

It was really amazing that Martz and co. just couldn't find a way to slow down the Giants front. It certainly did look like Cutler started holding the ball far too long on a few plays that seemed designed for quick hits in the second quarter. I'd say that as much as anything may indicate the hit that caused the concusion may have happened earlier in the game. Cutler didn't look like himself at all.

 

In any case, hopefully he's back next week. I certainly don't think Todd Collins can beat anyone, even Carolina.

[Banedon]

Let's put this in perspective: Cutler was sacked 11 times in 16 games with the Denver Broncos in 2008. The Bears surrendered 35 sacks last season, a figure some deemed to be too high. They've allowed 18 sacks, putting them on pace for 72, which would be six more than they surrendered the last time they ran a version of the Mike Martz offense. Remember back in 2004 when Terry Shea was calling the shots on offense? Bears quarterbacks -- the four-headed monster of Rex Grossman, Jonathan Quinn, Craig Krenzel and Chad Hutchinson -- were sacked 66 times. That was with Qasim Mitchell at left tackle most of the time.

[UMFan83]

O/U on number of Olinemen drafted in the first 4 rounds of next years draft by the Bears: 0.5

[UMFan83]

Did anyone else read that apparently after one of his many sacks last night, Jay started walking towards the wrong sideline?

[Banedon]

Did anyone else read that apparently after one of his many sacks last night, Jay started walking towards the wrong sideline?

 

Yep...it was in David Haugh's column this morning. He's the only one that apparently noticed though.

[Smack]

Isn't Logan Mankins available?

[Pushfrog98]

It was really amazing that Martz and co. just couldn't find a way to slow down the Giants front. It certainly did look like Cutler started holding the ball far too long on a few plays that seemed designed for quick hits in the second quarter. I'd say that as much as anything may indicate the hit that caused the concusion may have happened earlier in the game. Cutler didn't look like himself at all.

 

In any case, hopefully he's back next week. I certainly don't think Todd Collins can beat anyone, even Carolina.

That was my thought as well. I can't remember exactly which hit it was in the 1st quarter, but he looked a little dazed getting up and didn't look any better the rest of the half.

[UMFan83]

Isn't Logan Mankins available?

 

Yeah but I don't think he really wants to go anywhere but NE. The last thing about him is that he was content in waiting this out and trying to play the last 6 weeks of the season for whatever reason. I would think we would have heard his name already at this point if he was a possibility.

[Banedon]

Isn't Logan Mankins available?

 

Yeah but I don't think he really wants to go anywhere but NE. The last thing about him is that he was content in waiting this out and trying to play the last 6 weeks of the season for whatever reason. I would think we would have heard his name already at this point if he was a possibility.

 

And he's not a FA or anything right? We'd have to trade for him...and I'm not so keen on giving up high level draft picks at this point.

[Guest]

Holy Hector, that game was ugly.

[Old Style]

It wouldn't surprise me to find out that Cutler played at least some portion of the first half with a concussion. The line was atrocious, but there were several plays where Cutler held onto the ball for way too long sometimes missing wide open receivers. Another minor thing that drove me nuts was Cutler running out of bounds for a loss. There is no excuse for that. Once you are outside of the pocket, just throw the [expletive] ball away if you can't find anyone open or run for positive yardage.

[Guest]

It wouldn't surprise me to find out that Cutler played at least some portion of the first half with a concussion. The line was atrocious, but there were several plays where Cutler held onto the ball for way too long sometimes missing wide open receivers. Another minor thing that drove me nuts was Cutler running out of bounds for a loss. There is no excuse for that. Once you are outside of the pocket, just throw the [expletive] ball away if you can't find anyone open or run for positive yardage.

 

My thoughts exactly. Something sure seemed amiss with him last night. However, the game thread fodder that basically calls him out as quitting is absolute ridiculousness.

 

We are witnessing one of the worst offensive lines in the history of mankind. There was one play where Manumaleuna and Olsen were both in the backfield and Cutler still got manhandled. If an entire offensive line and 2 TE's in the backfield to stop anyone who slips through the cracks still can't stop Cutler from being killed, it's kind of hard to expect the QB to even want to call another play. But, he did anyway. I just can't even imagine what goes through a QB's mind when every play has someone knocking him on his ass. That has to be really frustrating.

 

At this point, if we had anyone other than Cutler in the backfield, I'm not so sure we wouldn't be 0-4 at this point. That's just how bad the O-Line has been and how good Cutler has been at this point, when considering what he has to work with.

[Soul]

Yukky.

 

Just plain old friggin' yukky.

 

I don't have proof of course, but it wouldn't surprise me if Jay received his concussion much earlier than the play they showed on TV. He wasn't making quick decisions like I'm used to seeing from him. They showed at least one play where he was looking right at his hot read receiver and he was open (Bennett), and he just inexplicably held the ball.

 

I think he was essentially "out on his feet" for a good portion of the 1st half.

[Soul]

We are witnessing one of the worst offensive lines in the history of mankind. There was one play where Manumaleuna and Olsen were both in the backfield and Cutler still got manhandled.

 

It seems strange that you can have NFL players who are all just turnstyles like that.

 

I mean -- it's not like guys such as Manumaleuna have never blocked in the NFL. Olsen sucks, sure, but he's still a physical specimen. The question in my mind is -- have these guys really prepared like they should have to protect the franchise QB?

 

It seems unfathomable for 6'5" men who spend all their days in the weight room to simply not even be able to slow down a defender, even for a moment.

 

Something is really wrong with this, and it goes beyond just talent and drafting. I think there's a lack of all kinds of organizational and coaching factors to go along with the lack of talent. Only a complete and comprehensive breakdown in all areas can yield this kind of suckage.

[mul21]

I think last night's performance boils down to 3 things:

 

1. The Giants were terribly desperate for a victory and their D-line was very motivated to play well.

 

2. Short week of prep for the Bears, and I'm not excusing it, but I think it played a part.

 

3. The Bears being a bit over confident after getting off to the 3-0 start.

[Guest]

Oh, and one more thing. Did Aromashodu get into this game at all? If not, why the hell not?

 

It's time to put the "I'll teach you a lesson" crap to bed. Late in the season last year when Cutler found himself getting killed, he found Aromashodu and he was able to relieve some of the defensive pressure by getting the ball to Devin.

 

Put the best receivers you have in the game. Period. Lecture, slap their hand between games, or whatever you feel will get the message across to that player, but quit penalizing the entire team by going with a weaker lineup for the sole purpose of teaching someone a lesson.

 

Unfortunately, Cutler has no time to throw. It's absolutely ridiculous to limit his options of who to throw to as well. Heck, let's just tie his arms behind his back and put cardboard cutouts on the line. Oh wait. The cardboard cutouts might at least slow down the pass rush better than the real guys did last night.

[Banedon]

Oh, and one more thing. Did Aromashodu get into this game at all? If not, why the hell not?

 

He was active, but didn't get on the field. Desmond Clark was inactive.

[UMFan83]

I think last night's performance boils down to 3 things:

 

1. The Giants were terribly desperate for a victory and their D-line was very motivated to play well.

 

2. Short week of prep for the Bears, and I'm not excusing it, but I think it played a part.

 

3. The Bears being a bit over confident after getting off to the 3-0 start.

 

I don't think it had anything to do with prep or overconfidence.

 

The defense played inspired most of the game. We didn't make any glaring mistakes on special teams. The WRs were getting open at least some of the time I was focused on them. The entire game comes down to the fact that the Giants D completely manhandled all of our blockers and quickly knocked our QB at of the game by completely ramming them to the ground. If the line blocks like even a slightly below average line would, we probably win that game. But instead we were treated to a historically bad performance. Maybe their D-line came ready to play, maybe that's a part of it. But if you put Peppers, Straham, Ware and Reggie White all in their primes on the same line going against an average O-line and they get less pressure than the Giants got last night. Even the best lineman in the league don't get past their man on every play. And it's nearly impossible for 2+ rushers to get free on 80% of all passing plays. So maybe their Dline had a little to do with it, but it was only combined with a historically bad performance by the Bears o-line.

 

I still can't decide what is more frustrating about this game, the fact that we could have easily won this game with a league average O-line, or the fact that I could easily see us having this type of performance in more games this year.

[Soul]

I think last night's performance boils down to 3 things:

 

1. The Giants were terribly desperate for a victory and their D-line was very motivated to play well.

 

2. Short week of prep for the Bears, and I'm not excusing it, but I think it played a part.

 

3. The Bears being a bit over confident after getting off to the 3-0 start.

 

I'm sure all of that went into it, but I don't think it "boils down" to those factors. It wasn't just that they were motivated and we were overconfident. There were clear talent, scheme, and coaching exposures that were blatantly on display last night.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Juice Williams tweeted that the Bears have been in contact with him and that he's high up on their list to bring in if needed...

 

Three days til hockey.

[rawaction]

I think last night's performance boils down to 3 things:

 

1. The Giants were terribly desperate for a victory and their D-line was very motivated to play well.

 

2. Short week of prep for the Bears, and I'm not excusing it, but I think it played a part.

 

3. The Bears being a bit over confident after getting off to the 3-0 start.

 

I'm sure all of that went into it, but I don't think it "boils down" to those factors. It wasn't just that they were motivated and we were overconfident. There were clear talent, scheme, and coaching exposures that were blatantly on display last night.

 

100% agree with this.

[UMFan83]

THE JUICE IS ALMOST LOOSE!!!

 

TBH, I'd rather start Todd Collins again than Juice.

[Butterscup1679666578]

THE JUICE IS ALMOST LOOSE!!!

 

TBH, I'd rather start Todd Collins again than Juice.

 

I honestly don't know if I would. He looked useless last night. Not in the same sense that all Bears players were useless last night, but in the sense that he looked his age and moved even slower.

 

I'd take Hanie over either of them.

[Soul]

THE JUICE IS ALMOST LOOSE!!!

 

TBH, I'd rather start Todd Collins again than Juice.

 

I honestly don't know if I would. He looked useless last night. Not in the same sense that all Bears players were useless last night, but in the sense that he looked his age and moved even slower.

 

I'd take Hanie over either of them.

 

Collins had this look on his face that I didn't know what to make of.

 

Kind of like he wasn't really sure he wanted to be running any plays....at all....under those circumstances. A real "I've been playing NFL football for 15 years and I know a death trap when I see one"......sort of look.

[UMFan83]

Yeah it was partially a joke. I mean I could see the Bears deciding what Philly did...if Cutler is out and no one is going to be able to stay upright with our o-line lets bring in Vick/Juice.

 

The issue is that Juice does not have the arm accuracy to be successful in the NFL IMO. He's fast, but how many "fast" college QBs can be a successful run/pass threat in the NFL? Hell even Vick is like 75/25 Pass/run these days.