Lilly & Theriot to the Dodgers for DeWitt, 2 Minor Leaguers

[erik316wttn]

I don't really expect a ton for a month and a half of Ted Lilly. Sorry, but I just don't. I just hope we look for a minor leaguer.

 

Two months of Lilly(the best starter on the market) and a pretty decent chance at a first round & sandwich pick.

Lilly is (arguably) the best starter LEFT on the market.

 

The teams that were prepared to pay up, have already filled their needs with better guys.

 

Now what's left are the bargain-hunters, so this should come as no surprise.

 

The only person better than Lilly to change hands is Oswalt. It's not like 4 teams have added SP and the Cubs are left to deal Lilly to either the Pirates or the Royals. The Yankees, Mets, Tigers, Dodgers, and Twins have been linked to Lilly.

 

Haren

[Guancous]

I don't really expect a ton for a month and a half of Ted Lilly. Sorry, but I just don't. I just hope we look for a minor leaguer.

 

Two months of Lilly(the best starter on the market) and a pretty decent chance at a first round & sandwich pick.

Lilly is (arguably) the best starter LEFT on the market.

 

The teams that were prepared to pay up, have already filled their needs with better guys.

 

Now what's left are the bargain-hunters, so this should come as no surprise.

 

The only person better than Lilly to change hands is Oswalt. It's not like 4 teams have added SP and the Cubs are left to deal Lilly to either the Pirates or the Royals. The Yankees, Mets, Tigers, Dodgers, and Twins have been linked to Lilly.

 

Haren

 

Cliff Lee

[Guancous]

I hope the Cubs chip in the $4 million to get a better prospect. They will save that much in salary by the time the prospect gets to arbitration.

[dew1679666265]

The only person better than Lilly to change hands is Oswalt. It's not like 4 teams have added SP and the Cubs are left to deal Lilly to either the Pirates or the Royals. The Yankees, Mets, Tigers, Dodgers, and Twins have been linked to Lilly.

 

Of that group, the Mets, Tigers and Twins have all (mostly) dropped out, though. The Yankees are only mildly interested, leaving the leverage much lower for the Cubs. They should still get better than DeWitt and a minor league pitcher, though.

 

And Haren and Lee are both better than Lilly, are they not?

[erik316wttn]

 

The only person better than Lilly to change hands is Oswalt. It's not like 4 teams have added SP and the Cubs are left to deal Lilly to either the Pirates or the Royals. The Yankees, Mets, Tigers, Dodgers, and Twins have been linked to Lilly.

 

Haren

 

Cliff Lee

 

Him too

[Guest]

I don't really expect a ton for a month and a half of Ted Lilly. Sorry, but I just don't. I just hope we look for a minor leaguer.

 

Two months of Lilly(the best starter on the market) and a pretty decent chance at a first round & sandwich pick.

Lilly is (arguably) the best starter LEFT on the market.

 

The teams that were prepared to pay up, have already filled their needs with better guys.

 

Now what's left are the bargain-hunters, so this should come as no surprise.

 

The only person better than Lilly to change hands is Oswalt. It's not like 4 teams have added SP and the Cubs are left to deal Lilly to either the Pirates or the Royals. The Yankees, Mets, Tigers, Dodgers, and Twins have been linked to Lilly.

 

Haren

 

Forgot about Haren, although his contract made him a much different situation.

 

Lee was like 5 months ago, so it's not really germane to Lilly's value rising/falling.

[dew1679666265]

The numbers aren't that bad. If we were thin at SS in this system I'd be all for Gordon. I still wouldn't complain if we got him, but I rather see Jim address another position.

 

Outside of Castro and Lee, I'm not sure we have a SS as good as Gordon (or close, even). Junior Lake probably is, but all signs indicate him moving to third. I'll always take a little extra minor league depth.

[Outshined_One]

Lee was like 5 months ago, so it's not really germane to Lilly's value rising/falling.

 

Yes, he was traded from Philly to the Mariners 5 months ago. He was traded again to the Rangers about two weeks ago.

[Guest]

The most disappointing part of a DeWitt acquisition would be that he is not that much different from somebody like Fontenot. While it would be helpful to have another backup 3B/2nd base option on the roster and DeWitt isn't a bad player to have, Fontenot's presence makes him a lot less valuable to the Cubs. It would be an ok trade but not a very exciting one unless the minor league pitcher ending up being good.

This.

 

I dunno, DeWitt is only 24 and coming off an injury last season, right? Couldn't he develop a bit of pop (10 HR's a year or so) and be a solid starting 2B with an .800 OPS for 3 or 4 years?

It's not so much that he's a bad player as he's completely redundant to Fontenot.

[erik316wttn]

The most disappointing part of a DeWitt acquisition would be that he is not that much different from somebody like Fontenot. While it would be helpful to have another backup 3B/2nd base option on the roster and DeWitt isn't a bad player to have, Fontenot's presence makes him a lot less valuable to the Cubs. It would be an ok trade but not a very exciting one unless the minor league pitcher ending up being good.

This.

 

I dunno, DeWitt is only 24 and coming off an injury last season, right? Couldn't he develop a bit of pop (10 HR's a year or so) and be a solid starting 2B with an .800 OPS for 3 or 4 years?

It's not so much that he's a bad player as he's completely redundant to Fontenot.

 

Hasn't Fontenot generated some interest, though? Could we maybe place him on waivers and try to swing him to someone in August assuming we land DeWitt?

[SouthSideRyan]

Also of note, Dee Gordon is from Windermere, FL.

 

Now with nacho cheese machines

Edited July 30, 2010 by SouthSideRyan

[Guest]

Lee was like 5 months ago, so it's not really germane to Lilly's value rising/falling.

 

Yes, he was traded from Philly to the Mariners 5 months ago. He was traded again to the Rangers about two weeks ago.

 

I know, I was exaggerating to make the point. In terms of the changing landscape of the deadline, Lee getting traded 3 weeks ago doesn't mean much in this context.

[Outshined_One]

The numbers aren't that bad. If we were thin at SS in this system I'd be all for Gordon. I still wouldn't complain if we got him, but I rather see Jim address another position.

 

Outside of Castro and Lee, I'm not sure we have a SS as good as Gordon (or close, even). Junior Lake probably is, but all signs indicate him moving to third. I'll always take a little extra minor league depth.

 

I'd probably take Gordon over Lee at this point, although it would be close. I think Lee has a better upside (namely on defense, where his arm at SS is better), but Gordon's playing well at a higher level than Lee right now.

 

Still, it'd be fantastic to have that kind of depth at MIF. You never know who will pan out, plus that depth would be incredibly helpful in swinging trades.

[dew1679666265]

I know, I was exaggerating to make the point. In terms of the changing landscape of the deadline, Lee getting traded 3 weeks ago doesn't mean much in this context.

 

It's another team that otherwise likely would have been in on the bidding for Lilly, though.

[Guest]

Although it would be nice to pick and choose what prospect we get back in return, the most important thing is to add as much talent as we can. If the best player we can get in return is Gordon, then so be it.

[SouthSideRyan]

We'd finally have a legitmate base stealer in our future if we got Gordon. We'd also have an over-crowded middle infield in a couple years.

 

If you want a legitamate base stealer, bring back Dwaine Bacon. Base stealing is about 97 on my list of qualities I look for in a prospect

[dew1679666265]

I'd probably take Gordon over Lee at this point, although it would be close. I think Lee has a better upside (namely on defense, where his arm at SS is better), but Gordon's playing well at a higher level than Lee right now.

 

Still, it'd be fantastic to have that kind of depth at MIF. You never know who will pan out, plus that depth would be incredibly helpful in swinging trades.

 

Yeah, I wasn't really trying to differentiate that much between HJ Lee and Gordon, more just showing that Gordon immediately becomes the second best MIF in our minor leagues if we get him. As you said, that's really nice depth in case he or HJ Lee don't pan out.

[JonJayCutler]

The numbers aren't that bad. If we were thin at SS in this system I'd be all for Gordon. I still wouldn't complain if we got him, but I rather see Jim address another position.

 

Outside of Castro and Lee, I'm not sure we have a SS as good as Gordon (or close, even). Junior Lake probably is, but all signs indicate him moving to third. I'll always take a little extra minor league depth.

 

True. I've just all but penciled in Castro as the SS for years to come, and only moving to 2B if Lee turns out. I suppose Gordon could push him to 2B as well. Depth is never a bad thing, but I rather get a 1B prospect like Sands, even though it would take a lot more than Ted Lilly to acquire him.

[dew1679666265]

Although it would be nice to pick and choose what prospect we get back in return, the most important thing is to add as much talent as we can. If the best player we can get in return is Gordon, then so be it.

 

Definitely. If you must, take Gordon and then try to swing him off to another team for a prospect at a position of more need (ala Astros getting Wallace).

[Guest]

I'd probably take Gordon over Lee at this point, although it would be close. I think Lee has a better upside (namely on defense, where his arm at SS is better), but Gordon's playing well at a higher level than Lee right now.

 

Still, it'd be fantastic to have that kind of depth at MIF. You never know who will pan out, plus that depth would be incredibly helpful in swinging trades.

 

Yeah, I wasn't really trying to differentiate that much between HJ Lee and Gordon, more just showing that Gordon immediately becomes the second best MIF in our minor leagues if we get him. As you said, that's really nice depth in case he or HJ Lee don't pan out.

Gordon's a higher rated prospect, though. Unless you're still counting Castro, Gordon would be #1, Lee #2 and Lake #3 right now.

[davearm2]

I don't really expect a ton for a month and a half of Ted Lilly. Sorry, but I just don't. I just hope we look for a minor leaguer.

 

Two months of Lilly(the best starter on the market) and a pretty decent chance at a first round & sandwich pick.

Lilly is (arguably) the best starter LEFT on the market.

 

The teams that were prepared to pay up, have already filled their needs with better guys.

 

Now what's left are the bargain-hunters, so this should come as no surprise.

 

The only person better than Lilly to change hands is Oswalt. It's not like 4 teams have added SP and the Cubs are left to deal Lilly to either the Pirates or the Royals. The Yankees, Mets, Tigers, Dodgers, and Twins have been linked to Lilly.

You consider Lilly better than Cliff Lee and Dan Haren?

 

With the exception of the Yankees, I'd say all of the teams you mentioned should be described as bargain-hunters at this time.

 

EDIT: I see this ground has been covered ;)

Edited July 30, 2010 by davearm2

[dew1679666265]

The numbers aren't that bad. If we were thin at SS in this system I'd be all for Gordon. I still wouldn't complain if we got him, but I rather see Jim address another position.

 

Outside of Castro and Lee, I'm not sure we have a SS as good as Gordon (or close, even). Junior Lake probably is, but all signs indicate him moving to third. I'll always take a little extra minor league depth.

 

True. I've just all but penciled in Castro as the SS for years to come, and only moving to 2B if Lee turns out. I suppose Gordon could push him to 2B as well. Depth is never a bad thing, but I rather get a 1B prospect like Sands, even though it would take a lot more than Ted Lilly to acquire him.

 

I would prefer a prospect at a position of need as well, but if we get Gordon here then we could flip him, potentially, or HJ Lee for someone else in the future. Get the talent now and then figure out what to do with it.

[dew1679666265]

Gordon's a higher rated prospect, though. Unless you're still counting Castro, Gordon would be #1, Lee #2 and Lake #3 right now.

 

Yeah, I figured Gordon was. My point was not how to rate the two comparitively, just that they would be easily the two best "true" SS prospects in the minors (with Lake likely heading to third or another position).

[davearm2]

Let's not run too far with this Gordon chatter. It was just Offman pulling names out of the air.

[Guest]

Gordon's a higher rated prospect, though. Unless you're still counting Castro, Gordon would be #1, Lee #2 and Lake #3 right now.

 

Yeah, I figured Gordon was. My point was not how to rate the two comparitively, just that they would be easily the two best "true" SS prospects in the minors (with Lake likely heading to third or another position).

I think Lake could stay at SS. But I don't think he'll get a chance to stay there long term in an organization with Castro & Lee. However, it does most for his value to keep him there as long as we can to see if he can develop there like he seems to be doing on offense.