Re: NHL (Blackhawks included) offseason thread

[kujay]

http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=532168

 

Rumor: Kaberle and Grabovski for Sharp and Campbell.

 

I don't like it, personally. I feel like we lose too much for not enough cap gain. We can save on the cap by moving guys like Versteeg and Byfuglien without losing near as much on the ice.

 

I guess their point is you get a servicable and cheaper D player back, as well as a forward with upside and also cheaper.

 

There are 2 ways you can look at what the Hawks have to do, you can trade for slightly lesser skilled veterans for your younger and more skilled players, of you can try to use this situation to stockpile prospects draft picks and younger players that haven't reached their potential yet. I think the Hawks are looking more of the later.

 

I just don't want to be trading $7 million defensemen for worse $5 million defensemen, or $4 million forwards for worse $3 million forwards. I want super-cheap young players or nothing at all.

 

Yeah this is tempting though because Kaberle is in the last year of his deal. So you get him, and don't forget he is pretty good, and then after this year you have him gone and you don't have to pay Campbell for the next five [expletive] years. Which I think we all agree is a good thing.

 

Losing Sharp is gonna hurt no matter how it happens. But a trade like this is one way to stay real competitive and solve a long-term contract problem.

[RedFlash]

http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=532168

 

Rumor: Kaberle and Grabovski for Sharp and Campbell.

 

I don't like it, personally. I feel like we lose too much for not enough cap gain. We can save on the cap by moving guys like Versteeg and Byfuglien without losing near as much on the ice.

 

I guess their point is you get a servicable and cheaper D player back, as well as a forward with upside and also cheaper.

 

There are 2 ways you can look at what the Hawks have to do, you can trade for slightly lesser skilled veterans for your younger and more skilled players, of you can try to use this situation to stockpile prospects draft picks and younger players that haven't reached their potential yet. I think the Hawks are looking more of the later.

 

I just don't want to be trading $7 million defensemen for worse $5 million defensemen, or $4 million forwards for worse $3 million forwards. I want super-cheap young players or nothing at all.

 

Yeah this is tempting though because Kaberle is in the last year of his deal. So you get him, and don't forget he is pretty good, and then after this year you have him gone and you don't have to pay Campbell for the next five [expletive] years. Which I think we all agree is a good thing.

 

Losing Sharp is gonna hurt no matter how it happens. But a trade like this is one way to stay real competitive and solve a long-term contract problem.

 

Quick question: who's to say the Hawks have to keep both players?

 

IMO Toronto has neither the drafts picks or the prospects to deal so you think outside the box. Acquire Grabovski and Kaberle and you have two players who are so much easier to flip to another team if that is what the team wants. This kind of trade opens up possible deals that you couldn't get with Campbell.

[Magnetic Curses]

can we trade campbell for kaberle?

[RedFlash]

Chicago Blackhawks forwards Andrew Ladd, Kris Versteeg and Dustin Byfuglien continue to draw interest, however sources say Chicago isn't interested in trading Patrick Sharp.

 

 

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=325320

[kujay]

Chicago Blackhawks forwards Andrew Ladd, Kris Versteeg and Dustin Byfuglien continue to draw interest, however sources say Chicago isn't interested in trading Patrick Sharp.

 

 

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=325320

 

Sounds to me like they are trying to raise the price for Sharp. Playing hard to get.

 

But if this is legit, I'd be fine if the only guys we lost were Ladd, Steeg and Buff.

[17 Seconds]

The NHLPA will vote on the escalator clause sometime later today.

 

If they vote yes, the salary cap goes up by about $2 million for next season, but the escrow the NHL takes out of their paychecks (in order to guard against revenue shortfalls) will also get 5% larger. That means anyone who isn't signing a new contract this offseason effectively gets a 5% paycut.

 

If they vote no, then the salary cap stays the same or goes down by a few hundred thousand.

 

The vote has been close the last few times, and this time it is expected to be very close, although a "yes" vote is still the favorite.

 

If they vote no, though, the Blackhawks cap problems go from "troubling" to "completely screwed for next season." You'd almost be looking at a lineup of Hossa, Toews, Kane, Keith, Campbell, Seabrook and 15 league minimum guys.

 

so did they vote on it or what?

[17 Seconds]

 

But if this is legit, I'd be fine if the only guys we lost were Ladd, Steeg and Buff.

 

that's not possible

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Chicago Blackhawks forwards Andrew Ladd, Kris Versteeg and Dustin Byfuglien continue to draw interest, however sources say Chicago isn't interested in trading Patrick Sharp.

 

 

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=325320

 

Sounds to me like they are trying to raise the price for Sharp. Playing hard to get.

 

But if this is legit, I'd be fine if the only guys we lost were Ladd, Steeg and Buff.

 

There's no way that can be all they lose. The math just doesn't work.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

so did they vote on it or what?

 

No word yet. They voted, but I don't know when the results will be announced.

[Magnetic Curses]

 

But if this is legit, I'd be fine if the only guys we lost were Ladd, Steeg and Buff.

 

that's not possible

 

we have to drop campbell.

 

can we trade him for gonchar's negotiating rights and then let him walk?

 

i mean, that's not all they'd want, but we could throw in steeg or buff or ladd or something.

[NewUserName]

 

But if this is legit, I'd be fine if the only guys we lost were Ladd, Steeg and Buff.

 

that's not possible

 

we have to drop campbell.

 

can we trade him for gonchar's negotiating rights and then let him walk?

 

i mean, that's not all they'd want, but we could throw in steeg or buff or ladd or something.

 

The Penguins have their own salary cap issues.

 

Honestly if Toronto is really willing to give the Hawks Kaberle and Grabovski for Sharp and Campbell, the Hawks would be foolish not to do this deal. In reality the Hawks are going to be up against the cap next off season also. Unloading Campbell and getting a solid second pairing dman for 2 million less this season and his contract expires next is worth the talent downgrade. I also think Kaberle would not be as much of a downgrade from Campbell as some may think, the real downgrade would be Sharp to Grabovski. It also would give the Hawks another season to get their young dmen ready and a real good shot at keeping Seabrook next off season

 

the more I think about it the more I wonder why Toronto would make that deal

 

edit: Kaberle makes almost 3 million less then Campbell

[UMFan83]

You want to just drop one of your top 4 defensemen and get nothing in return? I mean if you said "you can make Campbell's contract disappear right now" I'd have to strongly consider it. But I'd rather see if we can get something, being a pick, a prospect, or a minimum salary roster filler for him.

[Magnetic Curses]

 

But if this is legit, I'd be fine if the only guys we lost were Ladd, Steeg and Buff.

 

that's not possible

 

we have to drop campbell.

 

can we trade him for gonchar's negotiating rights and then let him walk?

 

i mean, that's not all they'd want, but we could throw in steeg or buff or ladd or something.

 

The Penguins have their own salary cap issues.

 

Honestly if Toronto is really willing to give the Hawks Kaberle and Grabovski for Sharp and Campbell, the Hawks would be foolish not to do this deal. In reality the Hawks are going to be up against the cap next off season also. Unloading Campbell and getting a solid second pairing dman for 2 million less this season and his contract expires next is worth the talent downgrade. I also think Kaberle would not be as much of a downgrade from Campbell as some may think, the real downgrade would be Sharp to Grabovski. It also would give the Hawks another season to get their young dmen ready and a real good shot at keeping Seabrook next off season

 

the more I think about it the more I wonder why Toronto would make that deal

 

edit: Kaberle makes almost 3 million less then Campbell

 

it doesn't look like we're going to give up sharp so they'd have to take versteeg or buff.

[NewUserName]

You want to just drop one of your top 4 defensemen and get nothing in return? I mean if you said "you can make Campbell's contract disappear right now" I'd have to strongly consider it. But I'd rather see if we can get something, being a pick, a prospect, or a minimum salary roster filler for him.

 

Kaberle is as good as Campbell, and his contract would disappear next season, giving the the Hawks a season to groom some dmen for a 2nd pairing role. The huge dropoff would be at forward. I am not saying this is a good player deal for the Hawks, but if they can unload Campbells contract and get a top 4 dman back for next season, it is a good deal in my eyes.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Honestly, I wouldn't want to drop Campbell's contract for nothing. You can't win a championship without some overpaid players. There just aren't enough good players who aren't overpaid to be found.

 

The cap issues should be much, much better next season. The bonus cap hit means we will have to deal with all the problems this season and should be in good shape next season.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Players association not saying anything about the cap vote. GMs getting nervous:

 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/gms-anxiously-await-next-years-salary-cap/article1612590/

[UMFan83]

You want to just drop one of your top 4 defensemen and get nothing in return? I mean if you said "you can make Campbell's contract disappear right now" I'd have to strongly consider it. But I'd rather see if we can get something, being a pick, a prospect, or a minimum salary roster filler for him.

 

Kaberle is as good as Campbell, and his contract would disappear next season, giving the the Hawks a season to groom some dmen for a 2nd pairing role. The huge dropoff would be at forward. I am not saying this is a good player deal for the Hawks, but if they can unload Campbells contract and get a top 4 dman back for next season, it is a good deal in my eyes.

 

Crap, I should have used quotes. That reply was meant for Sulley.

 

I'd be ok with that, although ideally we could keep our top 2 defensive lines in tact. But I realize how bad Campbell's deal is and how fortunate we'd be to rid ourselves of it.

[kujay]

Chicago Blackhawks forwards Andrew Ladd, Kris Versteeg and Dustin Byfuglien continue to draw interest, however sources say Chicago isn't interested in trading Patrick Sharp.

 

 

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=325320

 

Sounds to me like they are trying to raise the price for Sharp. Playing hard to get.

 

But if this is legit, I'd be fine if the only guys we lost were Ladd, Steeg and Buff.

 

There's no way that can be all they lose. The math just doesn't work.

 

Yeah, I was thinking of Campbell as gone. :beg:

 

And I totally agree with NUN about Kaberle -- he's not that much of a drop off from Campbell. That would be a great deal if they could pull it off.

[UMFan83]

In an ideal offseason, if we could get under the cap and keep these players, I'd be ecstatic:

 

Kane

Toews

Sharp

Hossa

Keith

Seabrook

Hammer

Soupy

Niemi

Bolland

--------prospects

Beach

Lalonde

 

Obviously I'd like to keep other guys who are almost definitely going to be here like Brouwer, either Versteeg or Buff, Fraser, Kopecky, but if we could somehow finish this offseason with the above guys, I think we'd be contenders in the West again. Maybe not the team that certain experts claimed are "so much better than every other team in the league", but good enough that it wouldn't be a shock to see them go for a repeat. The West is so good though, I felt like the margin between teams like Vancouver, Detroit and San Jose and the Hawks is not as big as we liked to believe last year. Also teams like Colorado are going to be a concern, depending on what they do with their cap space.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

In an ideal offseason, if we could get under the cap and keep these players, I'd be ecstatic:

 

Kane

Toews

Sharp

Hossa

Keith

Seabrook

Hammer

Soupy

Niemi

Bolland

--------prospects

Beach

Lalonde

 

Capgeek isn't working for me right now, but I think that roster is doable *if* the players vote the escalator in and *if* Niemi and Hjalmarsson sign a little on the cheap side of projections.

[kujay]

All kinds of Hawk talk here, including the Sharks going after our RFAs.

 

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/John-Jaeckel/Rumors-Sharks-To-Push-For-Niemi-Hjalmarsson/128/28914

[RedFlash]

All kinds of Hawk talk here, including the Sharks going after our RFAs.

 

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/John-Jaeckel/Rumors-Sharks-To-Push-For-Niemi-Hjalmarsson/128/28914

 

Bad kujay bad. [-X This site is not, I repeat, NOT a relieable source for rumors. The creator of that site have proven that 99% of the rumors are eithe completely made up, and are existing rumors with the creators of the site on twist.

 

Here's my favorite about about this article:

 

Let's assume that Brian Campbell, Cristobal Huet, Brent Sopel, Byfuglien, Kris Versteeg, Pat Sharp, Dave Bolland and possibly even Niemi, Hjalmarsson or Brent Seabrook are all players the Hawks would consider dealing under the right set of circumstances.

 

The Hawks *could* lose Hammer due to a finanical crunch (I believee they want to keep Hammer and will do everything they can to do so) but to think the Hawks will entertain the thought of trading Seabrook who has another year on his contract is pure stupidity. You could lose one of Hammer or Seabrook but not both, and IMO ultimately I think both will be a part of the Hawks core for a long time. Everybody on that lise not name Hammer and Seabrook can be dealt under the right set of circumstances, but Hammer and Seabrook it would have to be a special set of circumstances (ie, getting an offer similar to the one that Anaheim got from Philly for Chris Pronger).

 

The articles didn't provide any new information that we didn't already know.

Edited June 22, 2010 by RedFlash

[UMFan83]

In an ideal offseason, if we could get under the cap and keep these players, I'd be ecstatic:

 

Kane

Toews

Sharp

Hossa

Keith

Seabrook

Hammer

Soupy

Niemi

Bolland

--------prospects

Beach

Lalonde

 

Capgeek isn't working for me right now, but I think that roster is doable *if* the players vote the escalator in and *if* Niemi and Hjalmarsson sign a little on the cheap side of projections.

 

I'm assuming Niemi has to be sent to the minors or to the KHL to make that happen...or is that a foregone conclusion at this point?

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm assuming Niemi has to be sent to the minors or to the KHL to make that happen...or is that a foregone conclusion at this point?

 

Niemi, or Huet? What would sending Niemi down accomplish?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Huet to the minors seems like a foregone conclusion, but nobody has actually confirmed with the Hawks that they'd be willing to do it. But it's hard to imagine them fielding a roster if they don't.