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06/11 White Sox (Peavy) @ Cubs (Wells) 1:20 CDT, CSN TV

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Let's just say the peripherals and results for the Cubs starters don't match up well so far. Wells had the best FIP among the whole Cubs starting staff (not counting Gorzelanny who isn't starting anymore) going into the day and it might remain that way after today.

 

I heard Dan Bernstein on the radio the other day trying to educate fans on advanced baseball statistics, and was using FIP like it was the king of all pitching statistics. Whoever was with him (not Boers) was noticing that Jimenez wasnt among the top 10 pitchers in FIP and calling the stat out based on that. Dan's response was to defend that damn stat to the death and kept talking about how its more important than anything else you can look at because it's independant of fielding. I was just shaking my head.

 

These stats are great, but people have to understand that there is not one single stat that determines the value or worth of an individual player.

 

Old farts like Boers have to understand that if a new stat doesn't fit your preconceived notions of who's the best, it doesn't mean they're not good. What's the point of judging a new stat solely based on whether it lines up with old school stats?

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Let's just say the peripherals and results for the Cubs starters don't match up well so far. Wells had the best FIP among the whole Cubs starting staff (not counting Gorzelanny who isn't starting anymore) going into the day and it might remain that way after today.

 

I heard Dan Bernstein on the radio the other day trying to educate fans on advanced baseball statistics, and was using FIP like it was the king of all pitching statistics. Whoever was with him (not Boers) was noticing that Jimenez wasnt among the top 10 pitchers in FIP and calling the stat out based on that. Dan's response was to defend that damn stat to the death and kept talking about how its more important than anything else you can look at because it's independant of fielding. I was just shaking my head.

 

These stats are great, but people have to understand that there is not one single stat that determines the value or worth of an individual player.

 

Definitely agree. And I'm not actually the biggest fan of FIP in particular because it assumes all pitchers control their BABIP equally and I don't agree with that. But it does show that he probably has been unlucky even if there is a scouting reason why his BABIP might be so high (leaving too many pitches over the middle of the plate for example).

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Thank god, Howry in to stop the bleeding. Really though, the more we use him in these situations the less likely Lou brings him in in important spots.
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Not even the Cubs generally horrid baseball performance can ruin my Blackhawks Stanley Cup high right now...I just hope it lasts until football starts, because this Cubs team has flatlined.
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Thank god, Howry in to stop the bleeding. Really though, the more we use him in these situations the less likely Lou brings him in in important spots.

 

 

What important spots are we going to be in?

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Let's just say the peripherals and results for the Cubs starters don't match up well so far. Wells had the best FIP among the whole Cubs starting staff (not counting Gorzelanny who isn't starting anymore) going into the day and it might remain that way after today.

 

I heard Dan Bernstein on the radio the other day trying to educate fans on advanced baseball statistics, and was using FIP like it was the king of all pitching statistics. Whoever was with him (not Boers) was noticing that Jimenez wasnt among the top 10 pitchers in FIP and calling the stat out based on that. Dan's response was to defend that damn stat to the death and kept talking about how its more important than anything else you can look at because it's independant of fielding. I was just shaking my head.

 

These stats are great, but people have to understand that there is not one single stat that determines the value or worth of an individual player.

 

Old farts like Boers have to understand that if a new stat doesn't fit your preconceived notions of who's the best, it doesn't mean they're not good. What's the point of judging a new stat solely based on whether it lines up with old school stats?

 

It was not Boers it was Laurence Holmes and he's not old

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Let's just say the peripherals and results for the Cubs starters don't match up well so far. Wells had the best FIP among the whole Cubs starting staff (not counting Gorzelanny who isn't starting anymore) going into the day and it might remain that way after today.

 

I heard Dan Bernstein on the radio the other day trying to educate fans on advanced baseball statistics, and was using FIP like it was the king of all pitching statistics. Whoever was with him (not Boers) was noticing that Jimenez wasnt among the top 10 pitchers in FIP and calling the stat out based on that. Dan's response was to defend that damn stat to the death and kept talking about how its more important than anything else you can look at because it's independant of fielding. I was just shaking my head.

 

These stats are great, but people have to understand that there is not one single stat that determines the value or worth of an individual player.

I enjoy listening to Boers & Bernstein and Bernstein is a very intelligent guy, but he infuriates me sometimes when he states his point of view as an indisputable fact. His defense of Jimenez not being one of the top 10 pitchers based on one statistic alone really made no sense.

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Let's just say the peripherals and results for the Cubs starters don't match up well so far. Wells had the best FIP among the whole Cubs starting staff (not counting Gorzelanny who isn't starting anymore) going into the day and it might remain that way after today.

 

I heard Dan Bernstein on the radio the other day trying to educate fans on advanced baseball statistics, and was using FIP like it was the king of all pitching statistics. Whoever was with him (not Boers) was noticing that Jimenez wasnt among the top 10 pitchers in FIP and calling the stat out based on that. Dan's response was to defend that damn stat to the death and kept talking about how its more important than anything else you can look at because it's independant of fielding. I was just shaking my head.

 

These stats are great, but people have to understand that there is not one single stat that determines the value or worth of an individual player.

 

Old farts like Boers have to understand that if a new stat doesn't fit your preconceived notions of who's the best, it doesn't mean they're not good. What's the point of judging a new stat solely based on whether it lines up with old school stats?

 

It was not Boers it was Laurence Holmes and he's not old

 

Ok, Holmes is just stupid then.

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Cause pinch hitting for Koyie Hill would be madness that's why

 

Time to bring out the meth.

 

Or the Meph.

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