2010 World Cup Thread

[Jon]

Goaltending in other sports has to do with the timing, not what part of the body can be used. Those sports made it illegal to touch the ball at a certain point. No such rule exists in soccer.

 

All the other sports deal with it in very limited circumstances (or again, have strict rules about when you can touch the ball). In soccer, it has the potential to happen all the time on any ball in the box. And has already been stated, there's a fair system already in place to deal with it that doesn't exist in those other sports (ejection, playing with a man down for the remainder of the match, and a high percentage goal opportunity.

[shnsajax]

Goaltending in other sports has to do with the timing, not what part of the body can be used. Those sports made it illegal to touch the ball at a certain point. No such rule exists in soccer.

 

All the other sports deal with it in very limited circumstances (or again, have strict rules about when you can touch the ball). In soccer, it has the potential to happen all the time on any ball in the box. And has already been stated, there's a fair system already in place to deal with it that doesn't exist in those other sports (ejection, playing with a man down for the remainder of the match, and a high percentage goal opportunity.

 

Today was also a very rare exception too, I honestly can't tell you the last time I saw that situation happen.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Goaltending in other sports has to do with the timing, not what part of the body can be used. Those sports made it illegal to touch the ball at a certain point. No such rule exists in soccer.

 

All the other sports deal with it in very limited circumstances (or again, have strict rules about when you can touch the ball). In soccer, it has the potential to happen all the time on any ball in the box. And has already been stated, there's a fair system already in place to deal with it that doesn't exist in those other sports (ejection, playing with a man down for the remainder of the match, and a high percentage goal opportunity.

 

 

Again, distinction without difference. The relevant portion isn't *why* the act is illegal. It's the fact that an illegal act stopped a score that was about to happen.

 

And no, it doesn't have the opportunity to happen all the time in soccer. Can you give *one* other example of a flagrant handball by the last defender stopping a goal?

 

And as I said, rugby has the same punishment system and still awards penalty tries.

[CubColtPacer]

Goaltending in other sports has to do with the timing, not what part of the body can be used. Those sports made it illegal to touch the ball at a certain point. No such rule exists in soccer.

 

All the other sports deal with it in very limited circumstances (or again, have strict rules about when you can touch the ball). In soccer, it has the potential to happen all the time on any ball in the box. And has already been stated, there's a fair system already in place to deal with it that doesn't exist in those other sports (ejection, playing with a man down for the remainder of the match, and a high percentage goal opportunity.

 

 

And no, it doesn't have the opportunity to happen all the time in soccer. Can you give *one* other example of a flagrant handball by the last defender stopping a goal?

 

 

Ghana-Australia was a similar situation to today. The defender stopped it right on the goal line. He was red carded for handball and Gyan converted the penalty kick.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

 

 

Ghana-Australia was a similar situation to today. The defender stopped it right on the goal line. He was red carded for handball and Gyan converted the penalty kick.

 

Point conceded, my mistake.

 

In case I'm coming off as argumentative (who, me?), I can totally respect if someone feels like the situation is so rare that a rule change isn't needed, or that there's something special about soccer requiring a ball to always go in the net for the goal, or that the player's quick-thinking should be rewarded in this case.

 

I'm just tired of seeing people say "You'd never see X sport give points for a penalty" when they pretty much all do.

[Guest]

 

 

Ghana-Australia was a similar situation to today. The defender stopped it right on the goal line. He was red carded for handball and Gyan converted the penalty kick.

 

Point conceded, my mistake.

 

In case I'm coming off as argumentative (who, me?), I can totally respect if someone feels like the situation is so rare that a rule change isn't needed, or that there's something special about soccer requiring a ball to always go in the net for the goal, or that the player's quick-thinking should be rewarded in this case.

 

I'm just tired of seeing people say "You'd never see X sport give points for a penalty" when they pretty much all do.

 

This is more my stance on the issue. I view this as such a freak occurrence - not just the intentional handball to prevent a goal but the timing and situation of the hand ball also - that I don't think a change is necessary. I'll be surprised if I see something like this ever again.

[Guest]

Having watched these refs...I can't imagine giving them additional discretionary power.

[imb]

I just think it's rad that Suarez did that, was red-carded, sent off and can't play in the semifinal game ... and he's a national hero. that's like the ultimate sports sacrifice. He does nothing and it's a sure loss, he sacrifices himself and it's almost a sure loss, but not quite.

 

And fate conspired to work in his favor. I'll probably root for paraguay the rest of the way so in 10 years i can see a espn 40 for 40 story on him

[Guest]

I just think it's rad that Suarez did that, was red-carded, sent off and can't play in the semifinal game ... and he's a national hero. that's like the ultimate sports sacrifice. He does nothing and it's a sure loss, he sacrifices himself and it's almost a sure loss, but not quite.

 

And fate conspired to work in his favor. I'll probably root for paraguay the rest of the way so in 10 years i can see a espn 40 for 40 story on him

 

Exactly. The odds of what Suarez doing working out so well for Uruguay had to have been ridiculously slim.

[Derwood]

I just think it's rad that Suarez did that, was red-carded, sent off and can't play in the semifinal game ... and he's a national hero. that's like the ultimate sports sacrifice. He does nothing and it's a sure loss, he sacrifices himself and it's almost a sure loss, but not quite.

 

And fate conspired to work in his favor. I'll probably root for paraguay the rest of the way so in 10 years i can see a espn 40 for 40 story on him

 

uraguay

 

/safe diff

[imb]

SHUT UP LEAVE ME ALONE

[Hairyducked Idiot]

http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/world-cup-fail-south-africa.jpg

[imb]

I just think it's rad that Suarez did that, was red-carded, sent off and can't play in the semifinal game ... and he's a national hero. that's like the ultimate sports sacrifice. He does nothing and it's a sure loss, he sacrifices himself and it's almost a sure loss, but not quite.

 

And fate conspired to work in his favor. I'll probably root for paraguay the rest of the way so in 10 years i can see a espn 40 for 40 story on him

 

uraguay

 

/safe diff

 

*same* diff

 

I WIN, YES

[chuckywang]

http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/world-cup-fail-south-africa.jpg

 

LOL what controversy? An infraction was correctly detected and the punishment was properly issued. By the book, this is as cut and dry as it gets.

[imb]

http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/world-cup-fail-south-africa.jpg

 

LOL what controversy? An infraction was correctly detected and the punishment was properly issued. By the book, this is as cut and dry as it gets.

 

look ..... closer

[Garwilly]

http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/world-cup-fail-south-africa.jpg

 

LOL what controversy? An infraction was correctly detected and the punishment was properly issued. By the book, this is as cut and dry as it gets.

 

You fail.

[chuckywang]

http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/world-cup-fail-south-africa.jpg

 

LOL what controversy? An infraction was correctly detected and the punishment was properly issued. By the book, this is as cut and dry as it gets.

 

You fail.

 

Well excuuuuuuuuse me for seeing the first thing I saw and commenting on it.

[Garwilly]

http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/world-cup-fail-south-africa.jpg

 

LOL what controversy? An infraction was correctly detected and the punishment was properly issued. By the book, this is as cut and dry as it gets.

 

You fail.

 

Well excuuuuuuuuse me for seeing the first thing I saw and commenting on it.

 

Well you fail twice, as that caption has nothing to do with today's events.

[shnsajax]

Why is this still a discussion, the rest of the world agrees on how to call this.

[Magnetic Curses]

on my high school team we had this guy from venezuela who did that in a game and got red carded, the goal counted, and the referee blathered on about ungentlemanly conduct for like 10 minutes while the 16-year old kid had to stand there and take it. get over it, buddy the kid was reacting.

 

I hope that ref was then kicked out of the high school level.

 

it was disgraceful, i remember being sick for him. the look on his face was absolutely devastating.

[wvcbxl]

I was exposed to Orange Madness at a rock festival yesterday; the most hilarious moment of the day was when celebrations broke out all over the grounds after the final score was flashed on the info screens. Paramore was on stage and clearly didn't know what had happened or why all these people dressed in orange were celebrating like mad.

 

And that was just the Dutch contingent that had stayed for the music. A vast Orange Army had temporarily left the festival grounds to go watch the game in the pubs in Leuven. Their return later in the day didn't go unnoticed. 8-)

 

And I'm not even going to try to estimate the beer consumption in Leuven yesterday afternoon. :wink:

[DivineBovine]

Why the long discussion on the handball? Isn't that how the rule is? The red card and the penalty shot, which a guy should usually make.

 

Why intellectualize the rule and compare it with other sports? Every sport has its own nuances. If you want to pick on soccer rules, what about deciding the game played for 120 minutes to a tie with something that has nothing to do with the rest of the game? Might as well have them shoot free throws or kick field goals to decide the game.

[bukie]

Heh, I just realized that every team in that Nike "Write the Future" campaign is now out: Ivory Coast, Italy, England, France, USA, Brazil, and Portugal.

[USSoccer]

Heh, I just realized that every team in that Nike "Write the Future" campaign is now out: Ivory Coast, Italy, England, France, USA, Brazil, and Portugal.

 

Spain (Iniesta, Fabregas and Pique)

 

Verra much looking forward to Argentina/Germany. Maradona is a fat, insane genius.

[bukie]

Heh, I just realized that every team in that Nike "Write the Future" campaign is now out: Ivory Coast, Italy, England, France, USA, Brazil, and Portugal.

 

Spain (Iniesta, Fabregas and Pique)

 

Verra much looking forward to Argentina/Germany. Maradona is a fat, insane genius.

Ahh, I knew I was forgetting somebody. Not quite as amusing, then.