Time to sell high on Colvin?

[SweetZombieJesus]

I say we trade him to the Jays for Travis Snider.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Dont be surprised when Colvin becomes our regular right fielder in 2012 or even sooner.

[muntjack]

Dont be surprised when he's traded for a mediocre RH setup man.

[Irrelevant Dude]

Dont be surprised when Colvin becomes our regular right fielder in 2012 or even sooner.

I would be surprised, but pleasantly. I really like Colvin, but I'm still not convinced that he will be a consistent Major League starter. I do like him as a cheap 4th outfielder though.

[Irrelevant Dude]

Dont be surprised when he's traded for a mediocre RH setup man.

Haven't you heard? The Cubs signed Howry. All our problems are solved!

[dew1679666265]

I was thinking about trading high on Colvin, but I just don't think his value is high enough at this point. I'd hold onto him for the remainder of the year and see if I could get his value a bit higher. Maybe then put him in a package if we look to move a veteran in the offseason.

[davell]

There was a blurb about Colvin in the BA Handbook that kind of stood out to me. It basically said the Cubs are high on him, but other teams don't see what the Cubs do in him. Obviously, this happens alot with players, but I wouldn't think a hot spring training and a small sample size of major league at bats will have changed any teams opinions on him. Basically, I'd keep him. He has more value to us as a 4th OFer that can play all 3 positions than whatever we can get for him, in all likelihood.

[OleMissCub]

yeah lets trade away young guys who show promise so we can get a 30+ year old stop gap at some position.

[Sammy Sofa]

There was a blurb about Colvin in the BA Handbook that kind of stood out to me. It basically said the Cubs are high on him, but other teams don't see what the Cubs do in him. Obviously, this happens alot with players, but I wouldn't think a hot spring training and a small sample size of major league at bats will have changed any teams opinions on him. Basically, I'd keep him. He has more value to us as a 4th OFer that can play all 3 positions than whatever we can get for him, in all likelihood.

 

Exactly. Colvin isn't going to net much at this point.

[jersey cubs fan]

There was a blurb about Colvin in the BA Handbook that kind of stood out to me. It basically said the Cubs are high on him, but other teams don't see what the Cubs do in him. Obviously, this happens alot with players, but I wouldn't think a hot spring training and a small sample size of major league at bats will have changed any teams opinions on him. Basically, I'd keep him. He has more value to us as a 4th OFer that can play all 3 positions than whatever we can get for him, in all likelihood.

 

I'm not a big fan, but I agree with your sentiment.

[questionmarkgrace]

I'd rather sell high on fukudome before the twirl o-matic comes back in august.

[Guest]

I'd rather sell high on fukudome before the twirl o-matic comes back in august.

good god, how many times do I have to post this in various places?

 

August 2009: .287/.398/.506/.904

 

The whole Fukudome sucks past April thing needs to die.

[UMFan83]

There was a blurb about Colvin in the BA Handbook that kind of stood out to me. It basically said the Cubs are high on him, but other teams don't see what the Cubs do in him. Obviously, this happens alot with players, but I wouldn't think a hot spring training and a small sample size of major league at bats will have changed any teams opinions on him. Basically, I'd keep him. He has more value to us as a 4th OFer that can play all 3 positions than whatever we can get for him, in all likelihood.

 

Exactly. Colvin isn't going to net much at this point.

 

Especially not for Travis Snider

[TheVolCub08]

I'd rather sell high on fukudome before the twirl o-matic comes back in august.

good god, how many times do I have to post this in various places?

 

August 2009: .287/.398/.506/.904

 

The whole Fukudome sucks past April thing needs to die.

 

He was even better in July. (.307/.392/.534/.926) But, he did get worse by the month in 2008, and was awful in September and October of last year, so which is going to be proven most true of him? I think that someone pointing out that he was awful past April is just as valid as posting that he had a good two month stretch last season. Neither is more or less valid than the other, in my opinion.

[dew1679666265]

I'd rather sell high on fukudome before the twirl o-matic comes back in august.

good god, how many times do I have to post this in various places?

 

August 2009: .287/.398/.506/.904

 

The whole Fukudome sucks past April thing needs to die.

 

He was even better in July. (.307/.392/.534/.926) But, he did get worse by the month in 2008, and was awful in September and October of last year, so which is going to be proven most true of him? I think that someone pointing out that he was awful past April is just as valid as posting that he had a good two month stretch last season. Neither is more or less valid than the other, in my opinion.

 

From all reports, though, Fukudome has struggled because he allowed his mechanics to get screwed up. His super hot July and August last year came after a visit from his Japanese hitting instructor, Kyosuke Sasaki. Jaramillo specializes in knowing a player's hitting mechanics well and should be able to fix any screw ups Kosuke has in his swing.

 

Sasaki also said that his 2008 struggles were due to a screw up in his mechanics as well. That late-season slump he had in 2008 shouldn't re-occur this year.

[Guest]

I'd rather sell high on fukudome before the twirl o-matic comes back in august.

good god, how many times do I have to post this in various places?

 

August 2009: .287/.398/.506/.904

 

The whole Fukudome sucks past April thing needs to die.

 

He was even better in July. (.307/.392/.534/.926) But, he did get worse by the month in 2008, and was awful in September and October of last year, so which is going to be proven most true of him? I think that someone pointing out that he was awful past April is just as valid as posting that he had a good two month stretch last season. Neither is more or less valid than the other, in my opinion.

It depends on what people are trying to say when they post those stats. If they're trying to imply that it's a given that he's going to suck come summer, then it's a huge leap. If you're merely pointing out his 2009 stats and saying that it isn't a given, that's one heck of a lot more valid.

 

Also...you're throwing October 2009 out there as a full month to try and help your case? Really?

[biittner77]

I would not be against selling high on Fukudome. I like Fukudome since he brings plus defense and obp- 2 things the Cubs always seem to lack. However, if the Cubs could get value for him then they should consider it.

 

Hendry, who's never been a big proponent of getting on base as a skill, probably thinks that Colvin adds a little more power and is a lot less expensive as a platoon player.

[bukie]

Also...you're throwing October 2009 out there as a full month to try and help your case? Really?

I like to call Koyie Hill "Mr. October", since he hit .600 in October 2009.

[chopsx9]

I'd rather sell high on fukudome before the twirl o-matic comes back in august.

good god, how many times do I have to post this in various places?

 

August 2009: .287/.398/.506/.904

 

The whole Fukudome sucks past April thing needs to die.

 

He was even better in July. (.307/.392/.534/.926) But, he did get worse by the month in 2008, and was awful in September and October of last year, so which is going to be proven most true of him? I think that someone pointing out that he was awful past April is just as valid as posting that he had a good two month stretch last season. Neither is more or less valid than the other, in my opinion.

It depends on what people are trying to say when they post those stats. If they're trying to imply that it's a given that he's going to suck come summer, then it's a huge leap. If you're merely pointing out his 2009 stats and saying that it isn't a given, that's one heck of a lot more valid.

 

Also...you're throwing October 2009 out there as a full month to try and help your case? Really?

 

June to Oct for 2008/2009 I get .232/.339 - I know I'm a little low on the OBP due to quick math - that seems to be worse.

 

Doesn't have to be that way this year - but it certainly seems to be a pattern the first 2 years.

[bcl412]

Um don't most players have times where they struggle for a month or so because baseball is a hard game.

[Guest]

I'd rather sell high on fukudome before the twirl o-matic comes back in august.

good god, how many times do I have to post this in various places?

 

August 2009: .287/.398/.506/.904

 

The whole Fukudome sucks past April thing needs to die.

 

He was even better in July. (.307/.392/.534/.926) But, he did get worse by the month in 2008, and was awful in September and October of last year, so which is going to be proven most true of him? I think that someone pointing out that he was awful past April is just as valid as posting that he had a good two month stretch last season. Neither is more or less valid than the other, in my opinion.

It depends on what people are trying to say when they post those stats. If they're trying to imply that it's a given that he's going to suck come summer, then it's a huge leap. If you're merely pointing out his 2009 stats and saying that it isn't a given, that's one heck of a lot more valid.

 

Also...you're throwing October 2009 out there as a full month to try and help your case? Really?

 

June to Oct for 2008/2009 I get .232/.339 - I know I'm a little low on the OBP due to quick math - that seems to be worse.

 

Doesn't have to be that way this year - but it certainly seems to be a pattern the first 2 years.

A pattern would mean that it was that way both years. However, those numbers are so bad almost entirely because of 2008. Hence, no pattern.

[TheVolCub08]

I'd rather sell high on fukudome before the twirl o-matic comes back in august.

good god, how many times do I have to post this in various places?

 

August 2009: .287/.398/.506/.904

 

The whole Fukudome sucks past April thing needs to die.

 

He was even better in July. (.307/.392/.534/.926) But, he did get worse by the month in 2008, and was awful in September and October of last year, so which is going to be proven most true of him? I think that someone pointing out that he was awful past April is just as valid as posting that he had a good two month stretch last season. Neither is more or less valid than the other, in my opinion.

It depends on what people are trying to say when they post those stats. If they're trying to imply that it's a given that he's going to suck come summer, then it's a huge leap. If you're merely pointing out his 2009 stats and saying that it isn't a given, that's one heck of a lot more valid.

 

Also...you're throwing October 2009 out there as a full month to try and help your case? Really?

 

What case was I trying to make, in your opinion? I'm not saying that he will or will not tank as the season wears on, because (like you) I don't see a definitive pattern. I only threw in October because it was lumped with September in the splits I was looking at.

 

That notwithstanding, he's been atrocious the past two Septembers. There is no debating that much. The reason why is what is unclear.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Regardless, I think Kosuke should be the guy to sell. next year, Lee and Lilly are gone, and Id be surprised to see Aramis not opt out of his contract at the end of the year. I dont know the exact numbers, but thats a lot of money off the books, and if we could add a sold chunk of Kosukes contract to that, this organization could be in business. The key is being patient until after 2011 and go after Prince or Adrian and not let Hendry, if hes still around let all that money burn a hole in his pocket. Maybe see if we could get Jorge Cantu for a reasonable price. However, if we really want Adrian, it will lilely require a trade because someones going to empty out their farm system for him in either June or next winter and they'll likely sign him to a massive contract.

 

In 2011, we could have a solid mix of young players like Castro, Colvin, and Soto and vetrans Byrd and Soriano. Theriot will likely be around for a bit as well unless something better falls into our lap. Hopefully Vitters and Brett jackson arent too far behind. As for the post 2011 pitching situation, I hope we hang on to Marmol and Marshall, and at least as few of Stevens, Parker, Gaub, etc. end up as serviceable middle relievers with Guzman making a come back. As for starting pitching, I dont know the exact length of Zs deal, but I think we have him for a while. 2012 will be Demps las year, and Randy Wells is around for a while, I dont know about Gorzo. Also, by then the Bradley/Silva moneys off the books, with Cashner and Jackson ready to jump into the rotation, maybe Diamond and Coleman depending on what the future holds for them. If we could aquire Adrian or Fielder to go along, we can open a brand new window in 2012 if were just patient and accepting with a mediocre at best 2011 team.

[dew1679666265]

June to Oct for 2008/2009 I get .232/.339 - I know I'm a little low on the OBP due to quick math - that seems to be worse.

 

Doesn't have to be that way this year - but it certainly seems to be a pattern the first 2 years.

 

June 2008 - .789

July 2008 - .688

Aug 2008 - .546

 

June 2009 - .507

July 2009 - .926

Aug 2009 - .904

 

Averaging numbers together doesn't provide a pattern. There would be a pattern if his numbers in 2009 were similar to his numbers in 2008. As can be seen, there's really no similarity whatsoever between his July/Aug 2008 numbers and his July/Aug 2009 numbers.

[dew1679666265]

Regardless, I think Kosuke should be the guy to sell. next year, Lee and Lilly are gone, and Id be surprised to see Aramis not opt out of his contract at the end of the year.

 

If he doesn't considerably improve his numbers this year, I'd be absolutely stunned to see Aramis opt out. If he finishes the year with a .600-.700 something OPS, he's not getting the same type of money in free agency the Cubs will be paying him.

 

I would trade Kosuke only if I could get full salary relief and something even just semi-decent in return. Kosuke brings value and should be able to maintain the strong defense and high OBP throughout the length of his contract (through next year). I'd let Lee and Lilly go after the year, hope Aramis starts hitting again and opts out and then break the bank on a first baseman (Fielder most likely). That's my way-too-early offseason thoughts, at least.