Time to sell high on Colvin?

[Backtobanks]

Perhaps it is a pipe dream, but there is only one guy I'd really want to sell high on if he can keep hitting until the Trade deadline..

 

Soriano.

 

If he stays hot until the trading deadline and we were pretty significantly out of it, I could actually see Hendry offering him up. I don't know what interest there would be, but it could be there if we footed some of the bill.

 

I'm pretty sure I remember that Hendry was trying to deal him in the offseason, but there was no interest in him.

 

I'm not sure there would be much interest in him even if the Cubs paid 75-80% of his contract because of the years involved.

[dew1679666265]

Perhaps it is a pipe dream, but there is only one guy I'd really want to sell high on if he can keep hitting until the Trade deadline..

 

Soriano.

 

If he stays hot until the trading deadline and we were pretty significantly out of it, I could actually see Hendry offering him up. I don't know what interest there would be, but it could be there if we footed some of the bill.

 

I'm pretty sure I remember that Hendry was trying to deal him in the offseason, but there was no interest in him.

 

I'm not sure there would be much interest in him even if the Cubs paid 75-80% of his contract because of the years involved.

 

Yeah, but I don't think that'll keep Hendry from offering him up. It'd have to be a pure salary dump, but somebody might bite if we paid half or more.

[soapy]

I'd be pretty shocked if they even tried to move Soriano unless they completely crap the bed over the next six weeks. Hendry is trying to keep his job and he's not going to do that by shedding payroll, IMO. It's going to take an absolutely disasterous June/July for him to start selling.

[Backtobanks]

Perhaps it is a pipe dream, but there is only one guy I'd really want to sell high on if he can keep hitting until the Trade deadline..

 

Soriano.

 

If he stays hot until the trading deadline and we were pretty significantly out of it, I could actually see Hendry offering him up. I don't know what interest there would be, but it could be there if we footed some of the bill.

 

I'm pretty sure I remember that Hendry was trying to deal him in the offseason, but there was no interest in him.

 

I'm not sure there would be much interest in him even if the Cubs paid 75-80% of his contract because of the years involved.

 

Yeah, but I don't think that'll keep Hendry from offering him up. It'd have to be a pure salary dump, but somebody might bite if we paid half or more.

 

 

I doubt it. Half would mean paying Soriano about $40 million over the next 4 1/2 years and I don't see any team throwing that much at an aging slugger. If the Cubs paid 80%, the other team would pay about $16.2 million over the 4 1/2 years.

[jersey cubs fan]

I doubt it. Half would mean paying Soriano about $40 million over the next 4 1/2 years and I don't see any team throwing that much at an aging slugger. If the Cubs paid 80%, the other team would pay about $16.2 million over the 4 1/2 years.

 

You don't see any team paying an aging slugger 4/40?

[Old Style]

I doubt it. Half would mean paying Soriano about $40 million over the next 4 1/2 years and I don't see any team throwing that much at an aging slugger. If the Cubs paid 80%, the other team would pay about $16.2 million over the 4 1/2 years.

 

You don't see any team paying an aging slugger 4/40?

The Yankees would do it in a heartbeat, especially if they are struggling for offense and the Rays keep on winning.

[rawaction]

I doubt it. Half would mean paying Soriano about $40 million over the next 4 1/2 years and I don't see any team throwing that much at an aging slugger. If the Cubs paid 80%, the other team would pay about $16.2 million over the 4 1/2 years.

 

You don't see any team paying an aging slugger 4/40?

 

I don't either.

[jersey cubs fan]

I doubt it. Half would mean paying Soriano about $40 million over the next 4 1/2 years and I don't see any team throwing that much at an aging slugger. If the Cubs paid 80%, the other team would pay about $16.2 million over the 4 1/2 years.

 

You don't see any team paying an aging slugger 4/40?

The Yankees would do it in a heartbeat, especially if they are struggling for offense and the Rays keep on winning.

 

The Yankees. The Cubs-like impotent Mets. The Braves, Giants and Rockies. Maybe another half dozen AL teams. 4/40 is not a stretch at all for an aging slugger.

[SouthSideRyan]

Perhaps it is a pipe dream, but there is only one guy I'd really want to sell high on if he can keep hitting until the Trade deadline..

 

Soriano.

 

If he stays hot until the trading deadline and we were pretty significantly out of it, I could actually see Hendry offering him up. I don't know what interest there would be, but it could be there if we footed some of the bill.

 

I'm pretty sure I remember that Hendry was trying to deal him in the offseason, but there was no interest in him.

 

I'm not sure there would be much interest in him even if the Cubs paid 75-80% of his contract because of the years involved.

 

You're not sure there would be interest in Alfonso Soriano at 4Y/14M?

[Sammy Sofa]

Jesus Christ. Do some people really think that nobody would be paying Soriano over $5 million a year if the Cubs didn't have him in his current contract?

[SouthSideRyan]

If Soriano was a free agent right now, he'd get more than 4/40.

[rawaction]

I doubt it. Half would mean paying Soriano about $40 million over the next 4 1/2 years and I don't see any team throwing that much at an aging slugger. If the Cubs paid 80%, the other team would pay about $16.2 million over the 4 1/2 years.

 

You don't see any team paying an aging slugger 4/40?

The Yankees would do it in a heartbeat, especially if they are struggling for offense and the Rays keep on winning.

 

The Yankees. The Cubs-like impotent Mets. The Braves, Giants and Rockies. Maybe another half dozen AL teams. 4/40 is not a stretch at all for an aging slugger.

 

I could see the Giants being desperate enough for a bat that they do it. But I think even that is a longshot.

 

4/40 for an aging slugger is not a stretch. 4/40 for an aging slugger that is a liability on defense, has a recent history of leg issues which has taken away another dimension of his game, and who has 2 lackluster seasons out of 4 without Rudy Jaramillo (who a team trading for him won't have) with one of those good seasons being his contract year 4 years ago.....is another story.

 

I think teams are wising up about long-term, double digit million dollar deals to older players. The Ibanez deal has been biting the Phillies in the arse since about August of last year. Jermaine Dye did not get signed. Guys like Damon, Vlad, Matsui, Tejada, and Beltre only were able to get 1 year deals despite most coming off of strong 2009 seasons. Only Beltre was able to get more than 8Mil.

[SouthSideRyan]

and who has 2 lackluster seasons out of 4 without Rudy Jaramillo (who a team trading for him won't have) with one of those good seasons being his contract year 4 years ago

 

What was the other lackluster season?

[Sammy Sofa]

and who has 2 lackluster seasons out of 4 without Rudy Jaramillo (who a team trading for him won't have) with one of those good seasons being his contract year 4 years ago

 

What was the other lackluster season?

 

Yeah, I'm wondering that myself. Soriano was easily worth his contract and then in some in 2007 and 2008.

[jersey cubs fan]

and who has 2 lackluster seasons out of 4 without Rudy Jaramillo (who a team trading for him won't have) with one of those good seasons being his contract year 4 years ago

 

What was the other lackluster season?

 

Both years in Texas were lackluster.

[jersey cubs fan]

and who has 2 lackluster seasons out of 4 without Rudy Jaramillo (who a team trading for him won't have) with one of those good seasons being his contract year 4 years ago

 

What was the other lackluster season?

 

Yeah, I'm wondering that myself. Soriano was easily worth his contract and then in some in 2007 and 2008.

 

2007, yes. 2008, that's debatable. He played well, but not great, for 100 games.

[SouthSideRyan]

and who has 2 lackluster seasons out of 4 without Rudy Jaramillo (who a team trading for him won't have) with one of those good seasons being his contract year 4 years ago

 

What was the other lackluster season?

 

Both years in Texas were lackluster.

 

He said without Jaramillo, which was a really odd qualifier, since he was bad in Texas. Also, that was 5 and 6 years ago. Does anybody believe those #s would come into play if Soriano was a free agent??

[jersey cubs fan]

and who has 2 lackluster seasons out of 4 without Rudy Jaramillo (who a team trading for him won't have) with one of those good seasons being his contract year 4 years ago

 

What was the other lackluster season?

 

Both years in Texas were lackluster.

 

He said without Jaramillo, which was a really odd qualifier, since he was bad in Texas. Also, that was 5 and 6 years ago. Does anybody believe those #s would come into play if Soriano was a free agent??

 

Sure, I would think the career arc of a 34 year old would come into play if Soriano was a free agent. If somebody is thinking of signing him to a 4 year contract today, they would probably think about more than just what he did in 2007 and 2008.

[SouthSideRyan]

and who has 2 lackluster seasons out of 4 without Rudy Jaramillo (who a team trading for him won't have) with one of those good seasons being his contract year 4 years ago

 

What was the other lackluster season?

 

Both years in Texas were lackluster.

 

He said without Jaramillo, which was a really odd qualifier, since he was bad in Texas. Also, that was 5 and 6 years ago. Does anybody believe those #s would come into play if Soriano was a free agent??

 

Sure, I would think the career arc of a 34 year old would come into play if Soriano was a free agent. If somebody is thinking of signing him to a 4 year contract today, they would probably think about more than just what he did in 2007 and 2008.

 

Yes, they'd also take into account 2009 and 2010. 2004 and 2005 really?? When he showed dramatic improvement over the following 5 years? Well this guy wasn't very good 6 years ago, screw him.

[Sammy Sofa]

and who has 2 lackluster seasons out of 4 without Rudy Jaramillo (who a team trading for him won't have) with one of those good seasons being his contract year 4 years ago

 

What was the other lackluster season?

 

Yeah, I'm wondering that myself. Soriano was easily worth his contract and then in some in 2007 and 2008.

 

2007, yes. 2008, that's debatable. He played well, but not great, for 100 games.

 

He was putting up comparable HR, RBI (better), OPS (4th best of his career) and SB numbers in almost 30 fewer games.

[jersey cubs fan]

and who has 2 lackluster seasons out of 4 without Rudy Jaramillo (who a team trading for him won't have) with one of those good seasons being his contract year 4 years ago

 

What was the other lackluster season?

 

Yeah, I'm wondering that myself. Soriano was easily worth his contract and then in some in 2007 and 2008.

 

2007, yes. 2008, that's debatable. He played well, but not great, for 100 games.

 

He was putting up comparable HR, RBI (better), OPS (4th best of his career) and SB numbers in almost 30 fewer games.

 

And his career hasn't been nearly as good as his reputation suggests.

[Sammy Sofa]

No...it's been better.

 

Soriano: G.O.A.T.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

2007, yes. 2008, that's debatable. He played well, but not great, for 100 games.

 

He was putting up comparable HR, RBI (better), OPS (4th best of his career) and SB numbers in almost 30 fewer games.

 

And his career hasn't been nearly as good as his reputation suggests.

 

It wasn't nearly as good as his reputation suggested in '06-'07 offseason either, but you can bet he'd have pulled in 120M Jim Hendry or no Jim Hendry.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

2007, yes. 2008, that's debatable. He played well, but not great, for 100 games.

 

He was putting up comparable HR, RBI (better), OPS (4th best of his career) and SB numbers in almost 30 fewer games.

 

And his career hasn't been nearly as good as his reputation suggests.

 

It wasn't nearly as good as his reputation suggested in '06-'07 offseason either, but you can bet he'd have pulled in 120M Jim Hendry or no Jim Hendry.

 

Sure, but I'm not the one saying he couldn't get 4/40 right now.

[rawaction]

I honestly don't know if Soriano would get 10M per if he was a free agent after the 2009 season. If he was a FA today, he probably would after a month in the 1000 OPS neighborhood. But I'm pretty sure nobody would give him a 4-year deal either way.