College Basketball 2010-11

[snoodmonger]

Not surprising that I think the game was called like crap in the first half (when you could murder a guy down low without consequence, but any contact with guards was instantly whistled.) Refs were a big part of why it was even a game at half.

 

Missouri got plenty of calls in that game. They had 35 FT attempts to KU's 28. And keep in mind, 8 of KUs 28 came in the last minute, when MU was putting us on the line on purpose.

 

For a team that shot 23 3-pointers, 35 FT attempts seems like an awful lot to me. It's certainly not a number you can look at and go, "The refs were out to get us!"

 

As for eb's theory that KU gets some kind of special protection on the road, whatever helps you sleep at night, dude. But I love how in KU's case it's clearly some kind of BS conspiracy, whereas with the other two teams who get similar foul treatment, everything is on the up-and-up.

 

Conspiracy theory? No. Star treatment? Yes. It happens in college sports. Don't deny it. I clearly said that I don't watch enough A&M games to comment on them. I guess that means I think they're on the up-and-up. That leaves ISU (of which I don't watch many games either). But, I do know that most of their games are over at half, home or away. There are going to be less fouls in general in the second half of games like that. As to why they have less on the road instead of home? I don't know. Anomaly? They are so far out of it on the road that they aren't fouling at the end of the game? I could also care less. I don't watch them get ridiculous amounts of bad calls go their way in close games.

 

As for sleeping at night, I can assure you that kU/Mizzou basketball has not cost me one moment of sleep, ever. The Cubs and Packers are so much more important to me.

I can sleep at night, but just putting out there I consider the Big 12 to be like the conference that Gonzaga is in. There is no way that one team should win it every freaking year. Kentucky, Duke, UNC, Michigan State, or UCLA don't do that in their conferences and most of them have been as good over the last 10 years as Kansas.

 

actually, every one of those teams has had bad years over the last seven seasons.

So they could have not won it all that one time. And when was Duke bad? If they were bad, weren't you then after your National title? Even in your rebuilding years you pimp smack the Big 12. Makes it hard for me to take that conference seriously.

 

Duke was 8-8 in conference in 2006-2007. They weren't a bad team, but they weren't the Duke caliber teams we've come to expect.

 

I think KU's seven consecutive conference titles is an amazing streak. (Self has the same amount of home losses at KU as he does conference titles: 7.)

 

But there are some things that can probably be considered mitigating factors.

 

1. KU has shared a few of the seven. There are no tie-breakers in Big 12 conference race. If there had been tie-breakers, they would have finished second at least once (off the top of my head.) I don't know if other conferences handle it differently.

 

2. KU did get to play in the North, which was kind of sucky for part of that run.

 

Overall, though, it does speak somewhat to the quality of the Big 12. We've had only four different programs make the Final Four since the Big 12's inception. And really, only KU and UT have been consistent threats.

[illiniguy]

Duke was 8-8 in conference in 2006-2007. They weren't a bad team, but they weren't the Duke caliber teams we've come to expect.

 

I think KU's seven consecutive conference titles is an amazing streak. (Self has the same amount of home losses at KU as he does conference titles: 7.)

 

But there are some things that can probably be considered mitigating factors.

 

1. KU has shared a few of the seven. There are no tie-breakers in Big 12 conference race. If there had been tie-breakers, they would have finished second at least once (off the top of my head.) I don't know if other conferences handle it differently.

 

2. KU did get to play in the North, which was kind of sucky for part of that run.

 

Overall, though, it does speak somewhat to the quality of the Big 12. We've had only four different programs make the Final Four since the Big 12's inception. And really, only KU and UT have been consistent threats.

Yeah you've been very good, but I can't get over you just winning 7 in a row. That shouldn't happen in a major conference. If KU had to stop playing basketball for a year, would they just give the top team second place to not shake things up? And in some conferences the year after your national title, you would have went .500 in conference. Think Big East.

[snoodmonger]

man, i gave ole' Roy a hard time at the start of this season, but he's really got UNC playing well. They're a very dangerous team.

[illiniguy]

man, i gave ole' Roy a hard time at the start of this season, but he's really got UNC playing well. They're a very dangerous team.

Barnes has gotten a lot better and Drew quitting helped them a lot.

[SouthSideRyan]

lol, misses all 3 FTs

[SouthSideRyan]

Just gonna throw this out there:

 

North Carolina will beat Duke this year.

 

From 12-2-10.

 

Just saying guys, I'm pretty smart

[bukie]

UNC may jump Duke in the polls this week.

[Exile on Waveland]

Just gonna throw this out there:

 

North Carolina will beat Duke this year.

 

From 12-2-10.

 

Just saying guys, I'm pretty smart

 

North Carolina is actually better than Duke. Been saying that since the first time they played. (Though I do suspect Duke will win the ACC Tournament.)

[hawkeyecub]

Spoiler Up clap clap, Spoiler Up clap clap, Spoiler Up

[scarey]

I'm extremely nervous about tonight's game. I don't know what the line is, but I would take Illinois I'm sure. The Illini are going to be hungry for a big time resume builder. It's going to be close.

We haven't won two games in a row since january. Won't happen here.

 

I knew this was going to happen. It's historically about time for the big Purdue let down. I'm sure we'll see plenty of Illini fans teeing off on the Purdue fans after this game. :banghead:

 

why did you say this?

 

Do you still question why I said this?

[Formerly Snayke]

here's what i think. it's a wild theory. I think we won that game because we're a lot better than you. And because we don't run a junk system built to overwhelm inferior opponents. And because we have a dominant frontcourt, and your bigs are weak aside from Bowers, who should get way more touches. Our third best big had 15 points and 14 rebounds. In 17 minutes.

 

This is all true except for calling Missouri's system "junk." There's nothing radical or unusual about full-court pressure. And that junk system forced Kansas to eclipse their turnover average by the half.

 

I thought the officiating was poor for both teams, but the game highlighted nearly all of Missouri's deficiencies: regression from English, inconsistency in the paint and poor shot selection. Defense from the guards was better, but they still miss Tiller/Taylor and Missouri's defense won't be at the level it was two years ago until they get another Tiller.

[snoodmonger]

here's what i think. it's a wild theory. I think we won that game because we're a lot better than you. And because we don't run a junk system built to overwhelm inferior opponents. And because we have a dominant frontcourt, and your bigs are weak aside from Bowers, who should get way more touches. Our third best big had 15 points and 14 rebounds. In 17 minutes.

 

This is all true except for calling Missouri's system "junk." There's nothing radical or unusual about full-court pressure. And that junk system forced Kansas to eclipse their turnover average by the half.

 

I thought the officiating was poor for both teams, but the game highlighted nearly all of Missouri's deficiencies: regression from English, inconsistency in the paint and poor shot selection. Defense from the guards was better, but they still miss Tiller/Taylor and Missouri's defense won't be at the level it was two years ago until they get another Tiller.

 

I think it's pretty gimmicky. Mizzou's half-court sets are atrocious. Maybe I haven't watched enough of them, but if they're not running out, they look bad. They did do a nice job forcing TOs today. But even with that, they still couldn't score the ball.

 

And that intentional foul was one of the worst calls I've seen in a long time.

[Guest]

Mizzou runs motion over and over again, which is why they get such even scoring distribution. It has it's benefits, but it can definitely hurt that they don't have much structure to rely on, and it's why their highs are so high and their lows are so low. They didn't make open shots today, and they didn't get many because Kansas did not let them receive passes in position to attack the basket. It was just an endless loop of dribbling around the key and handing off to someone else.

[Andy]

Duke was 8-8 in the ACC in 07? How the blue hell did they get a 6 seed that year?

[illiniguy]

Duke was 8-8 in the ACC in 07? How the blue hell did they get a 6 seed that year?

They are Duke. Come on Andy keep up.

[hawkeyecub]

Damn UNC is scary right now. Not many teams that can match their size, plus Barnes has become a legit go-to guy in a big spot and Marshall looks like one of the best distributing PG's in the country. And they defend.

[Sosa21MVP]

Indiana State wins the MVC tournament.

[SouthSideRyan]

Indiana State wins the MVC tournament.

 

Jake Kelly of Iowa fame hits the clinching free throws

[Sosa21MVP]

Indiana State wins the MVC tournament.

 

Jake Kelly of Iowa fame hits the clinching free throws

 

Thought the name sounded familiar.

[Magnetic Curses]

anybody just see napoleon dynamite throw that one down on lauderdale? awesome

[snoodmonger]

impressive performance by OSU.

[hawkeyecub]

Indiana State wins the MVC tournament.

 

Jake Kelly of Iowa fame hits the clinching free throws

 

And they have another dude who looks just like him physically, plays the same way, shares the same first name and instead of being #3 like Kelly, he's #13.

[bukie]

Big Ten tournament seeds finalized:

 

1. Ohio State

2. Purdue

3. Wisconsin

4. Michigan

5. Illinois

6. Penn State

7. Michigan State

8. Northwestern

9. Minnesota

10. Iowa

11. Indiana

 

So, first round matchups are Penn State-Indiana, Michigan State-Iowa, Northwestern-Minnesota. PSU-IU winner to face Wisconsin, MSU-Iowa winner to face Purdue, NW-MIN winner to face Ohio State, with Illinois-Michigan Friday.

[bukie]

The Ohio State-Wisconsin game today had 58 possessions, slower than all but one NCAA team's average (hint, that team played in this game). And OSU still scored 93 points.

[hawkeyecub]

Iowa has offered a 25 year old JUCO player from Maryland (6'5 SF averaging 20 and 10, shooting 60%) who spent 4 years in jail for a robbery when he was 17. Penn State and Rutgers have also offered and Kansas State says they will after they get transcripts.

 

So we've got a coach who earned the nickname Black Magic on the playgrounds in Philly, is an Ivy League graduate and isn't afraid of getting shady. Fran is the man.