Cubs, Marmol avoid arbitration

[haubrich91]

The Cubs signed closer Carlos Marmol to a one-year, $2.125 million deal Thursday, avoiding arbitration.

 

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/02/cubs-avoid-arbitration-with-marmol.html

 

Didn't see it posted anywhere, so here it is for anyone who didn't see it yet.

[NCCubFan]

Theriot is now the only unsigned arby-eligible player.

[Clem Fandango]

there goes Hendry overpaying for relievers again :roll:

[Post Count Padder]

Seems about right.

[Cubswin11]

Seems completely reasonable, if he has a good year at closer this year I would expect we look to extend him on a multi year deal next offseason.

[Rob]

Seems completely reasonable, if he has a good year at closer this year I would expect we look to extend him on a multi year deal next offseason.

 

That's not really the Hendry MO. He seems to prefer going year to year and then trying to sign any impending FA in the period between the end of the world series and the start of free agency.

[SouthSideRyan]

Seems completely reasonable, if he has a good year at closer this year I would expect we look to extend him on a multi year deal next offseason.

 

That's not really the Hendry MO. He seems to prefer going year to year and then trying to sign any impending FA in the period between the end of the world series and the start of free agency.

 

Nah his MO with arb guys is to sign them to an extension as they enter their last year of arb.

[GeoSoto420]

This may or may not be true but I heard that Theriot's arbitration isn't going well and the Cubs may look to non-tender or move him.

[CUBZ99]

This may or may not be true but I heard that Theriot's arbitration isn't going well and the Cubs may look to non-tender or move him.

 

source?

 

I could definitely see them trying to trade him, but they wouldn't let him go for nothing. Not over $3.4MM.

[davearm2]

Way too late to non-tender guys. That happens in November or December.

[dew1679666265]

This may or may not be true but I heard that Theriot's arbitration isn't going well and the Cubs may look to non-tender or move him.

 

source?

 

I could definitely see them trying to trade him, but they wouldn't let him go for nothing. Not over $3.4MM.

 

Not sure if he's referencing this or something else, but from the Cubs upset with Theriot thread first post:

 

This is just speculation, but it sites Bruce Miles who said the Cubs aren't pleased with Theriot's arbitration negotiation.

 

 

Link[/url]"]Word has it that the Cubs front office is angered with Ryan Theriot due to the amount that Theriot submitted for arbitration figure. Theriot submitted a $3.4 million figure, while the Cubs submitted a $2.6 million figure. And Theriot has yet to back off from his original demand.

 

Bruce Miles, who was on 670 the score today, hinted that Theriot is running the risk of being a player that the Cubs look to trade, or non-tender after the coming season. Because many feel that touted Shortstop Starlin Castro will be ready by the time the 2010 season is over. Meaning he could be a threat to Theriot’s job security as the starting shortstop.

[davell]

This may or may not be true but I heard that Theriot's arbitration isn't going well and the Cubs may look to non-tender or move him.

 

source?

 

I could definitely see them trying to trade him, but they wouldn't let him go for nothing. Not over $3.4MM.

 

That was in Bruce's blog actually. Just that they expect this one to go to arbitration is all.

[GeoSoto420]

Someone mentioned it somewhere else online so they probably got it from Bruce's blog.

[umpunk]

We are paying Grabow over $3 million a year and yet want to dump Theriot because he is asking for $800,000 more than Hendry is offering?

[Rob]

We are paying Grabow over $3 million a year and yet want to dump Theriot because he is asking for $800,000 more than Hendry is offering?

 

There's nothing to suggest that the Cubs do want to dump Theriot over this... just that they aren't happy about it.

 

And while we can all agree that Grabow's contract is a mistake, the situations aren't really comparable. Grabow gets paid at market value. First year arbitration eligible players like Theriot are supposed to get paid about 40% of market value.

[XZero771679666304]

We are paying Grabow over $3 million a year and yet want to dump Theriot because he is asking for $800,000 more than Hendry is offering?

 

I'm not going to discuss the merits (or complete lack thereof) of Grabow. But while I would like to get something for Theriot, he's totally expendable. I don't think it's a matter of the money so much as it is principle. Hendry apparently values the perception of being someone who doesn't take any crap in the arbitration process. His lack of fiscal prudence in other areas makes it seem a bit silly, but if there's anything consistent about Hendry, it is his maddening inconsistency when it comes to the quality of his decision making.

[XZero771679666304]

We are paying Grabow over $3 million a year and yet want to dump Theriot because he is asking for $800,000 more than Hendry is offering?

 

There's nothing to suggest that the Cubs do want to dump Theriot over this... just that they aren't happy about it.

 

And while we can all agree that Grabow's contract is a mistake, the situations aren't really comparable. Grabow gets paid at market value. First year arbitration eligible players like Theriot are supposed to get paid about 40% of market value.

 

Right. And Ryan has no leverage to demand more, either. It's really stupid on his part. The Cubs have several shortstops in waiting, one nearly ready, and he wants to play hardball in arbitration?

[Sammy Sofa]

Louisiana is really pissing me off these days.

[Cubswin11]

I read an article recently on the case and the basic point was that the Cubs are more mad at what this means for arbitration and Theriot in the next 1-3 years. With what he asked it pretty much assures that he will be making $5 mil+ next year and most likely and will be in the $10m range in 2 years.

[davell]

What he asked for has nothing to do with what he'll get though. I don't really think that he'll get 3.4 from arbitration this year. But, unless Theriot wins the lottery, there's no way in hell he's EVER making 10 million in a single season.

[Cubswin11]

Skip Schumaker signed a 2yr $4.75m deal today with the Cardinals to avoid arbitration further proving that Hendry should stick to his guns.

 

Schumaker career line: .301/.356/.399/.757

Theriot career line: .288/.356/.369/.726

 

UZR ranks Theriot better defensively, but most seem to be in agreement on here that UZR is flawed and Theriot's defense isn't anything special.

[dew1679666265]

What he asked for has nothing to do with what he'll get though. I don't really think that he'll get 3.4 from arbitration this year. But, unless Theriot wins the lottery, there's no way in hell he's EVER making 10 million in a single season.

 

It does have something to do with what he'll get. The fact that he's asking for $3.4 million likely isn't what's annoying Hendry. It's probably that he's unwilling to negotiate from it. Hendry has always avoided arbitration by finding a point in the middle of the club's offer and the player's demands. It appears that Theriot won't budge from what he's asking, though.

 

If it goes to arbitration, it'll be the first time a player has gone to arbitration under Hendry and one of the two numbers will be selected. So Theriot's asking price has a lot to do with this.

[davell]

What he asked for has nothing to do with what he'll get though. I don't really think that he'll get 3.4 from arbitration this year. But, unless Theriot wins the lottery, there's no way in hell he's EVER making 10 million in a single season.

 

It does have something to do with what he'll get. The fact that he's asking for $3.4 million likely isn't what's annoying Hendry. It's probably that he's unwilling to negotiate from it. Hendry has always avoided arbitration by finding a point in the middle of the club's offer and the player's demands. It appears that Theriot won't budge from what he's asking, though.

 

If it goes to arbitration, it'll be the first time a player has gone to arbitration under Hendry and one of the two numbers will be selected. So Theriot's asking price has a lot to do with this.

 

I'll clarify what I meant by that statement actually. Just because Theriot is ASKING for 3.4 this year, doesn't mean he'll be getting 5 mill next year or 10 mill as his 3rd arb year. I really see him losing his case this year personally anyway. And when I saw the numbers exchanged, I thought 2.6 was very fair and I think Hendry SHOULD stick to his guns on this one.

 

I agree with you that Hendry has to be steamed though, since it appears as if Theriot isn't budging from his figure at all. But, it also seemed like Hendry thought the 2.6 figure was extremely fair as well, if I can remember what Bruce had blogged.(could be mistaken, but I got the impression that neither side was going to give in this time)Either way though, Jim has always taken pride in not having to go to arbitration with anyone and this seems destined to do just that. And it probably steams Jim even more that it's Theriot, who has always kind of seemed like a "teachers pet" to Hendry and Lou, at least to me.

 

In the end, I think that the wall is being written on as we speak and ironically, 2010's goat will be Theriot. Castro should be ready by 2011, if not sooner and this could just be the early start of unceremoniously dumping Theriot for next to nothing over the next offseason, or even non-tendering him possibly. It's the Cub way to make guys look bad when they're on the way out the door in most cases and I'm starting to think that this is the start of a year long Theriot bash in the infant stages......

[davearm2]

Theriot bashing was in its infancy about 2 years ago now.

[davearm2]

Skip Schumaker signed a 2yr $4.75m deal today with the Cardinals to avoid arbitration further proving that Hendry should stick to his guns.

 

Schumaker career line: .301/.356/.399/.757

Theriot career line: .288/.356/.369/.726

 

UZR ranks Theriot better defensively, but most seem to be in agreement on here that UZR is flawed and Theriot's defense isn't anything special.

NSBB would be such a better place if only this were true...