McGwire admits to steroid use

[17 Seconds]

McGwire is an fool. He had a golden opportunity to come completely clean, and pulls this crap. He deserves all the crap he's getting.

How is admitting that he used steroids for over a decade, including 1998 when he broke the single season HR record, not coming completely clean?

 

because he's pretending it didn't help his performance. it's embarrassing.

[NonProfitCow]

I guess I just don't understand how admitting to using them for a decade isn't coming clean.

[NonProfitCow]

McGwire is an fool. He had a golden opportunity to come completely clean, and pulls this crap. He deserves all the crap he's getting.

How is admitting that he used steroids for over a decade, including 1998 when he broke the single season HR record, not coming completely clean?

 

because he's pretending it didn't help his performance. it's embarrassing.

What does it matter? He admitted using them.

[17 Seconds]

McGwire is an fool. He had a golden opportunity to come completely clean, and pulls this crap. He deserves all the crap he's getting.

How is admitting that he used steroids for over a decade, including 1998 when he broke the single season HR record, not coming completely clean?

 

because he's pretending it didn't help his performance. it's embarrassing.

What does it matter? He admitted using them.

 

because it's completely obvious that the only reason he's admitting it is because he's basically being forced to. he knows he'd be hounded non-stop about it when he starts with the cards if he didn't.

 

you seriously don't see what we're talking about? he's half assing the whole thing and not being real. he's lying about why he used them, and everybody can see how bad he looks except for cardinal fans.

 

he's just making himself look incedibly cowardly. everybody has known for years that he was on steroids, yet he could never suck it up and be a man and admit it. then, when he finally does admit it, he still cant tell the whole truth and has to protect himself by telling more lies. it's pathetic. he's like a scared little chil who is terrified to admit the truth, even though everyboy knows it. STEROIDS ARE WHAT MADE YOU BREAK THE RECORD.

 

it's too bad, because before all this i always liked mcgwire, and i probably would have continued to like him if he just came all the way clean years ago.

[hardcorecubfan]

McGwire is an fool. He had a golden opportunity to come completely clean, and pulls this crap. He deserves all the crap he's getting.

How is admitting that he used steroids for over a decade, including 1998 when he broke the single season HR record, not coming completely clean?

 

because he's pretending it didn't help his performance. it's embarrassing.

What does it matter? He admitted using them.

 

He also used the word "BUT" which negates anything he previously said

[Magdal]

His admission was a joke. It was "Guilty with an explanation" bull I pulled in traffic court. So he has (With many conferences with DeWit 'Mo and Tony) decided to come out. Watching him dodge questions, making references to "my heart", "the man upstairs", the grind of playing 162 games (yeah, 1st base for an hour and a half with 8 breaks) was hard to watch. And why would he apologize to the Maris' if 'roids did'nt help him smash Roger?

 

Roids wore him down, not ball. I wonder when the media will stop kissing the LaRussa ass and call him to task for what everyone knows to be a gross, enduring lie. "The Bash Brothers on roids??? I had no clue!"

 

Canseco finally said that he knew everything and they talked about it all the time. Well, no other manager has fessed up, but no other manager is still with a guy that broke Ruth/Maris' records.

 

But it would me better for the NL Central if Tony continues mismanaging the team. His incredibly stupid and dogged use of Dunkiel, Thurston and later Glaus hurt the team bad. His continued mangling of the pen was laughable. His complete un-use of a running game (1 squeeze attemp all year) and no player allowed to steal exept Pujols and Yadi (Yikes) speaks volumes.

 

Either Mac or Tony (or both) must quit before opening day or this mess will continue in the press....can you spell d-i-s-t-r-a-c-t-i-o-n?

[NonProfitCow]

I still don't get it. He admitted doing steroids and admitted doing them 98. What else do people want? It's like finding out your girlfriend/wife cheated on you and asking if the dude had a bigger dick. It doesn't [expletive] matter!

[DanzaSlap]

Hammer him when he won't admit the steroid use, then once he does, immediately hammer him.

"That's some catch, that catch-22," he observed.

"It's the best there is," Doc Daneeka agreed.

[Andy]

I have no idea why the approval of Cubs fans is so important here. I fully expect that if the roles were reversed, there would be some Sammy hate going on.

[NonProfitCow]

I have no idea why the approval of Cubs fans is so important here. I fully expect that if the roles were reversed, there would be some Sammy hate going on.

I don't care about the approval of Cub fans. I've seen plenty of Cardinals fans act the same way. I just don't get it. Sammy got busted and nobody really cared. It just confirmed what we already knew, just like McGwire. I just don't get how admitting to using for so long makes him a coward.

[DanzaSlap]

I was just kinda playing around.

 

And Big Mac kinda clarified what he said yesterday by saying, yes, they helped, in that they kept him on the field. At the time, and perhaps I'm just parsing language, he may have interpreted the question as, Did those steroids help give you the skills necessary to hit home runs? And and he answered that question truthfully, at least in his own mind.

 

It's not just Cubs fans harping on him for what he said. The national media is pounding him, too (case in point, the guys on the MLB Network immediately after the interview, save for Harold Reynolds). I'm just not sure what more McGwire can do, as far as admissions go. (So, yeah, I'm pretty much completely in agreement with NonProfitCow.)

[XZero771679666304]

I have no idea why the approval of Cubs fans is so important here. I fully expect that if the roles were reversed, there would be some Sammy hate going on.

I don't care about the approval of Cub fans. I've seen plenty of Cardinals fans act the same way. I just don't get it. Sammy got busted and nobody really cared. It just confirmed what we already knew, just like McGwire. I just don't get how admitting to using for so long makes him a coward.

 

 

I don't think Mac is a coward, perhaps just a bit self-deluded. I think he actually believes he could have hit 70 homers without help. It's not true, but I don't think he is lying. I think a lot of people who don't really care that he (or others) used just want to see someone really just own it, something like "Yeah, I used. I thought it would boost my performance, and it did. I'm sorry it went down this way, but what's done is done." Personally, I would respect that a lot more than the stuff we have heard. I'm not upset about it one way or the other, but it would be refreshing to see an admission that wasn't comprised of half-truths, rationalizations and cop outs ("I wish I had never played in the steroid era" is among the biggest I have heard yet).

 

I guess the rationale is that if you don't want to talk about it, don't. But if you're going to make a public spectacle of an admission, don't insult people with obvious BS. It just adds to the fiasco by making yourself look like the dishonest shenaniganizer the media is trying to paint you as already.

[The Voice of Reason]

I still don't get it. He admitted doing steroids and admitted doing them 98. What else do people want? It's like finding out your girlfriend/wife cheated on you and asking if the dude had a bigger dick. It doesn't [expletive] matter!

 

McGwire is slime and played you like a sap.

[Wilson A2000]

I still don't get it. He admitted doing steroids and admitted doing them 98. What else do people want? It's like finding out your girlfriend/wife cheated on you and asking if the dude had a bigger dick. It doesn't [expletive] matter!

 

I want him to be completely honest. He obviously isn't. You want to just forgive the guy and put the whole mess behind you, but then he tries to make excuses for himself.

[imb]

woah guys i used it for an injury not to hit a bunch of home runs that was just a coincidence and i kept using it for 8 years because those injuries you just never know

 

what good is coming clean if you keep lying

[ELCABALLO45]

woah guys i used it for an injury not to hit a bunch of home runs that was just a coincidence and i kept using it for 8 years because those injuries you just never know

 

what good is coming clean if you keep lying

 

 

Exactly.

 

Card fans wanna know why he is still getting crap?

 

"I was given the gift to hit home runs,"

"The only reason I took steriods was for health purposes. I got no power benefit. I did not take this for any strength purposes."

 

Then Costas asked if he could have hit the 70 home runs in 1998 without steroid use, McGwire replied, "Absolutely."

 

He finally came foward with a chance to admit everything. He freakin blew it.

[OleMissCub]

Just watched the interview. How embarrassing.

 

A) Stop crying you bitch

B) I literally "lol'd" when asked if LaRussa knew about it: "no"

C) Just come out and say you used steroids because they WERE performance enhancers. Way too many disclaimers in his "admission".

[imb]

yes honey, i did have sex with her

 

but i just tripped and my weiner went in. so....

[OleMissCub]

yes honey, i did have sex with her

 

but i just tripped and my weiner went in. so....

 

so....you keep banging her for 8 years

[DivineBovine]

McGwire is an fool. He had a golden opportunity to come completely clean, and pulls this crap. He deserves all the crap he's getting.

How is admitting that he used steroids for over a decade, including 1998 when he broke the single season HR record, not coming completely clean?

 

because he's pretending it didn't help his performance. it's embarrassing.

What does it matter? He admitted using them.

 

 

 

Maybe he honestly thinks it didn't help his performance. Maybe he's really that stupid.

 

What really annoys me is that he acts as if he generally regrets the steroid era because it ADVERSELY affected his career, when in reality, it benefitted him more than perhaps anyone else. I really believe those tears he shed are genuine. But he shed those tears because he honestly believes that he would have been just as good without the steroids, and nobody else believes it.

 

He acts like he thinks that if steroids never existed, he would've hit all those home runs, broken the record, and all the other guys that were juicing would've had their pedestrian numbers.

 

Say what you want about Barry, but if it weren't for McGwire and Sosa, he might never have touched the stuff. He was an [expletive], yes, but he had more talent than both of them combined. McGwire was the godfather of the steroid era.

 

Nobody doubts he had natural power. But so did Dave Kingman. He should never get into the hall, because he might've put up Dave Kingman numbers without the juice. If steroids can turn Sammy Sosa into a 300 hitter who hits 60 home runs multiple times, Barry Bonds into a guy who put up an OPS of 1.42 at age 40, then they can turn a guy with Dave Kingman talent into a .260 career hitter who hits 580 homers.

 

Sorry Mark, you just weren't that good. Get over yourself. Cry to someone else. You only made millions of dollars for yourself as a result of the steroid era which you helped found. And it's not like you would've even sniffed the Hall of Fame without the roids.

[XZero771679666304]

 

Nobody doubts he had natural power. But so did Dave Kingman. He should never get into the hall, because he might've put up Dave Kingman numbers without the juice. If steroids can turn Sammy Sosa into a 300 hitter who hits 60 home runs multiple times, Barry Bonds into a guy who put up an OPS of 1.42 at age 40, then they can turn a guy with Dave Kingman talent into a .260 career hitter who hits 580 homers.

 

 

McGwire was better than Kingman, and would have been regardless. He had plate discipline and great raw power from the beginning. McGwire had a better season as a rookie than Kingman ever had in his career. Mac vs. Kong is not a good comparison, but it is reasonable to think he may have hit a hundred less homers over the course of his career and been more on the periphery of HOF discussion if not for the roids.

 

Steroids didn't make Sammy a .300 hitter (at least solely). They helped him hit 60 homers, but there was also a clear shift in his approach that helped a lot.

 

Roids don't help you make contact or be patient at the plate. They help you hit the ball harder and farther. There plenty of physical specimens in the the steroid era who still stank out loud.

 

 

All that said, Mac's confession was a joke. Again, I don't particularly care that he used, but coming with a litany of rationalizations, excuses and half truths just makes he and the era look even more sketchy, and insults the intelligence of everyone who hears it.

[Sammy Sofa]

That seems to be giving the drugs a LOT of credit.

[XZero771679666304]

That seems to be giving the drugs a LOT of credit.

 

 

I don't know, if Mac used for 9 years, and, say, 5-10 flyouts per season became homers because of that extra strength, it seems reasonable. I threw 100 out there to be liberal. Personally, I think 50-60 is probably more likely. Mac had a ton of power to begin with. Most of his homers were cannon shots anyway.

[Sammy Sofa]

That seems to be giving the drugs a LOT of credit.

 

 

I don't know, if Mac used for 9 years, and, say, 5-10 flyouts per season became homers because of that extra strength, it seems reasonable. I threw 100 out there to be liberal. Personally, I think 50-60 is probably more likely. Mac had a ton of power to begin with. Most of his homers were cannon shots anyway.

 

Yeah, I agree. I was actually replying to the post before yours but you beat me to it. McGwire obviously was helped out in the power department, but to say he'd just be Dave Kingman at best without them seems like an overstatement that we see too often when the issue of steroids come up. People start turning them into this wonderdrug that can turn average or above average hitters into world beaters.

[imb]

mcgwire would have been injured and out of the league 5 years earlier if he hadn't been juicing, so 100 homers is probably right