NCAA Conference Realignment

[bukie]

You would not arbitrarily throw the word college into that search. That would be stupid.

You're right, the word college would totally throw off the search and give me wrong results.

 

Why would you add unnecessary words? You're lying or not very smart. I wouldn't search Chicago Bears National Football League schedule. You wouldn't search New Mexico State College football schedule. You'd type in New Mexico State, and football would come up automatically and unless you were afraid of not having the schedule come up in the first selection you'd stop there. But you would not enter the word college for no good reason. It would be really freaking stupid.

 

A search for New Mexico State in Google retrieves the government site first, the school site second, the athletics site third, and the football site 7th. Searching for New Mexico State football gives the football site first, 2011 schedule 3rd. Searching New Mexico State football schedule gives the 2011 schedule site first, no other schedules. Searching New Mexico State football schedule 2012 gives a site at the top with the thus-far announced 2012 schedule. The more specific a search is, the more likely the result you want comes at the top.

 

And no, I probably wouldn't typically put the word "college" in there if I were searching for a specific school, but I'd certainly use it if I were looking for something generic to all schools, like apparel, TV schedules, bowl schedules, prior results, or stats.

[jersey cubs fan]

Conversely,

 

espn.com

 

Yeah, unless you have boycotted the site that's the best way to get what you want.

[jersey cubs fan]

And no, I probably wouldn't typically put the word "college" in there if I were searching for a specific school, but I'd certainly use it if I were looking for something generic to all schools, like apparel, TV schedules, bowl schedules, prior results, or stats.

 

why are you looking for generic college football apparel?

 

It would be smarter to search "bowl schedules". There is just no reason to add more words than is necessary to get the result you want. It's unrealistic to think normal people would do that on any sort of regular basis.

[bukie]

You would not arbitrarily throw the word college into that search. That would be stupid.

You're right, the word college would totally throw off the search and give me wrong results.

 

"Chicago Cubs MLB major league baseball team 2011 schedule wrigley field" wouldn't throw off a search for the Cubs schedule either. Doesn't mean someone searches that way.

And nowhere did I argue that analytics from the term "college football" would pick up every possible college football-related search. Just that the extra work involved in picking up more of the aggregate data isn't worth the difference it'd provide in the numbers, since it likely wouldn't outpace the assumed 10k-50k noise in the final numbers. Presenting the final numbers down to the individual may be a little optimistic on Silver's part, but it doesn't invalidate the entirety of the numbers presented, any more than the idea that since we don't know many Clemson fans, they couldn't be that popular.

[Banedon]

Conversely,

 

espn.com

 

Googling "college football rankings" gets me to them on ESPN faster than going to ESPN and clicking through the site.

[Guest]

You would not arbitrarily throw the word college into that search. That would be stupid.

You're right, the word college would totally throw off the search and give me wrong results.

 

Why would you add unnecessary words? You're lying or not very smart. I wouldn't search Chicago Bears National Football League schedule. You wouldn't search New Mexico State College football schedule. You'd type in New Mexico State, and football would come up automatically and unless you were afraid of not having the schedule come up in the first selection you'd stop there. But you would not enter the word college for no good reason. It would be really freaking stupid.

 

A search for New Mexico State in Google retrieves the government site first, the school site second, the athletics site third, and the football site 7th. Searching for New Mexico State football gives the football site first, 2011 schedule 3rd. Searching New Mexico State football schedule gives the 2011 schedule site first, no other schedules. Searching New Mexico State football schedule 2012 gives a site at the top with the thus-far announced 2012 schedule. The more specific a search is, the more likely the result you want comes at the top.

 

And no, I probably wouldn't typically put the word "college" in there if I were searching for a specific school, but I'd certainly use it if I were looking for something generic to all schools, like apparel, TV schedules, bowl schedules, prior results, or stats.

right - it's faster for me to type the extra words to narrow the search than to read through the the more generic results to find the particular entry I want.

 

Maybe goony just doesn't type fast enough. Or I read too slowly. Or we just have different optimization preferences.

[snoodmonger]

nothing like popping open a college football realignment thread and reading 70 posts about search engine optimization.

[SouthSideRyan]

You would not arbitrarily throw the word college into that search. That would be stupid.

You're right, the word college would totally throw off the search and give me wrong results.

 

Why would you add unnecessary words? You're lying or not very smart. I wouldn't search Chicago Bears National Football League schedule. You wouldn't search New Mexico State College football schedule. You'd type in New Mexico State, and football would come up automatically and unless you were afraid of not having the schedule come up in the first selection you'd stop there. But you would not enter the word college for no good reason. It would be really freaking stupid.

 

A search for New Mexico State in Google retrieves the government site first, the school site second, the athletics site third, and the football site 7th. Searching for New Mexico State football gives the football site first, 2011 schedule 3rd. Searching New Mexico State football schedule gives the 2011 schedule site first, no other schedules. Searching New Mexico State football schedule 2012 gives a site at the top with the thus-far announced 2012 schedule. The more specific a search is, the more likely the result you want comes at the top.

 

And no, I probably wouldn't typically put the word "college" in there if I were searching for a specific school, but I'd certainly use it if I were looking for something generic to all schools, like apparel, TV schedules, bowl schedules, prior results, or stats.

right - it's faster for me to type the extra words to narrow the search than to read through the the more generic results to find the particular entry I want.

 

Maybe goony just doesn't type fast enough. Or I read too slowly. Or we just have different optimization preferences.

 

In none of those results did adding college help his search.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Conversely,

 

espn.com

 

 

dropping f-bombs is not what I would call behavior acceptable from a mod

[Guest]

It doesn't really matter whether you as an individual would type "College Football" into your searches. What Silver is doing here is to take a phrase that is undeniably linked to college football and utilizing the google search results from that phrase as a generic litmus for interest in the sport.

 

What specific queries it is being used for doesn't really matter unless you believe that there's a regional bias in people googling college football that aren't really interested in it.

[bukie]

In none of those results did adding college help his search.

And I'm sure Silver would've gotten more results if he had just done analytics on the term "football", but since he was specifically looking for college data there had to be some way to differentiate interest between college and pro (and others).

[minnesotacubsfan]

nothing like popping open a college football realignment thread and reading 70 posts about search engine optimization.

 

what the hell did you expect, its nsbb. Christ, I managed to derail the TV thread with a comment about girls with glasses.

Edited September 21, 2011 by minnesotacubsfan

[stuy119]

When Silver tried to point out that Georgia Tech has cornered the Atlanta market due to its proximity, I knew the article wasn't worth printing out to wipe my butt. He needs to stick to dealing with political polling projections.

[stuy119]

and that the ACC makes more money in the end due to its better basketball production.

 

 

I can't imagine that's true.

 

Than the SEC? It's most definitely true. And, should the NBA get the CBA amended to have 2/3 years of college prior to being eligible, the overall CBB product will improve, and the ACC will see that improvement as well, especially when factoring in the new additions of Syracuse and Pitt.

[chuckywang]

Air Force to the Big East will be a new level of absurdity.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Air Force to the Big East will be a new level of absurdity.

They can just fly to their games on the east coast.

[UMFan83]

They can't allow the Big East to remain a BCS conference if they replace Syracuse and Pitt with Air Force and Navy can they?

 

Can you imagine Navy finishing 7-5 (6-2) and playing in the Orange Bowl against Oklahoma?

[Butterscup1679666578]

The Big 12 is poised to replace commissioner Dan Beebe with former Big Eight commissioner Chuck Neinas, CBSSports.com has learned.

 

One highly placed source said the conference was moving quickly to replace Beebe who had been under fire from some conference members after recent instability within the league. Neinas, currently a well-known college consultant, is expected to be named interim commissioner.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270202/32165006

[da bears]

lmao. this is why mizzou is/was going nowhere. because the guy in charge is a [expletive] tard.

 

The source said that MU chancellor Brady Deaton, who is chairman of the Big 12’s Board of Directors, was resisting Beebe’s decision to step down and that Beebe decided this move would be in the best interest of the Big 12. It is not known who will become interim commissioner.

 

 

 

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/09/21/3158803/dan-beebe-working-on-exit-agreement.html#ixzz1YeDEMP7z

[SouthSideRyan]

When Silver tried to point out that Georgia Tech has cornered the Atlanta market due to its proximity, I knew the article wasn't worth printing out to wipe my butt. He needs to stick to dealing with political polling projections.

 

What would you know? Nate successfully predicted that Obama would win in '08, I think he'd understand.

[bukie]

No need to go all Gary Hughes on us in this thread, SSR.

[bukie]

When Silver tried to point out that Georgia Tech has cornered the Atlanta market due to its proximity, I knew the article wasn't worth printing out to wipe my butt. He needs to stick to dealing with political polling projections.

 

What would you know? Nate successfully predicted that Obama would win in '08, I think he'd understand.

If either of you had actually read the article before wiping yourselves with it, you'd have noticed that his assertion is based on several years of college football survey data, cross-referenced with actual reported revenue from each institution's college football program.

 

It's much easier to just throw strawmen around and dismiss any data you don't agree with, though.

[jersey cubs fan]

It doesn't really matter whether you as an individual would type "College Football" into your searches. What Silver is doing here is to take a phrase that is undeniably linked to college football and utilizing the google search results from that phrase as a generic litmus for interest in the sport.

 

What specific queries it is being used for doesn't really matter unless you believe that there's a regional bias in people googling college football that aren't really interested in it.

 

The point is the people who would type college football probably aren't fans but rather high school students researching a lame paper.

[Tracer Bullet]

Not that anyone wants to read about realignment, but Texas basically admits that the big 12 is the only place where enough ADs will roll over and let them keep the LHN and the lion's share of that revenue.

 

http://m.statesman.com/statesman/db_43073/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=FMay5Yqe

 

Missouri will still probably jump at another conference, but the big 12 might hold another year or two.

[bukie]

Not that anyone wants to read about realignment, but Texas basically admits that the big 12 is the only place where enough ADs will roll over and let them keep the LHN and the lion's share of that revenue.

 

http://m.statesman.com/statesman/db_43073/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=FMay5Yqe

 

Missouri will still probably jump at another conference, but the big 12 might hold another year or two.

The Big 12 (in some form) will probably hold as long as Texas stays with it. And Texas will stay with any conference that lets it have control.