NCAA Conference Realignment

[SouthSideRyan]

Early indication is that if the Big 12 lives, BYU is open to joining to bring them back to 10. That would bring the conference to the same caliber it was before aTm's tantrum, so that's fine with me. I've heard other schools floated too to bring them to 12, like TCU, Louisville, Air Force, WVU, etc, but I'm dubious that a championship game is worth it to add two from that group.

 

Wouldn't grabbing 2 (Or even 1?)of TCU, Louisville, or WVU put the final nail in the Big East football conference? So much for that meeting of the minds 2 days ago.

[Guest]

Early indication is that if the Big 12 lives, BYU is open to joining to bring them back to 10. That would bring the conference to the same caliber it was before aTm's tantrum, so that's fine with me. I've heard other schools floated too to bring them to 12, like TCU, Louisville, Air Force, WVU, etc, but I'm dubious that a championship game is worth it to add two from that group.

 

Wouldn't grabbing 2 (Or even 1?)of TCU, Louisville, or WVU put the final nail in the Big East football conference? So much for that meeting of the minds 2 days ago.

 

I think the Big East teams are more of a wishlist than an actual rumor. The BYU stuff came from their Rivals guy last night, saying that they'll join as long as the conference is stable(lol). Apparently OU and Texas are meeting to try and work things out. I'm pretty sure I hate OU and aTm more than Texas at this point.

[Banedon]

I've heard other schools floated too to bring them to 12, like TCU, Louisville, Air Force, WVU, etc, but I'm dubious that a championship game is worth it to add two from that group.

 

In my crazy dream world, Boise State is in that discussion.... http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/sudie70/drunk.gif

[Butterscup1679666578]

I still don't get what BYU brings to the table

[jersey cubs fan]

I still don't get what BYU brings to the table

 

A nationally recognized brand (even if it's second or third tier) and an entire religion.

[bcl412]

I still don't get what BYU brings to the table

 

I like their uniforms.

[Guest]

I still don't get what BYU brings to the table

 

Strong revenue sports teams and a very large fanbase, plus it expands the footprint.

[bukie]

I still don't get what BYU brings to the table

It's the poor man's Notre Dame.

[Butterscup1679666578]

but theyre mormon

[minnesotacubsfan]

but theyre mormon

 

isn't this why McMahon when there? he grew up Catholic, wanted to play for Notre Dame but they had Montana and told him he would be a back-up. Of course, McMahon being McMahon, his response was screw you, I'll go to BYU, the Mormon school

 

is that the kind of school you really want int he Big 12????????? the kind of school the likes of Jim McMahon use to spite his own religion???

 

i really mean nothing by this...

[UMFan83]

Why isn't Bouse State in any of the disussions to join a BCS conference? Do the conferences not want them (because of academics maybe?) or do they not have an interest in becoming the BCS school they've long fought against for respect?

[minnesotacubsfan]

Why isn't Bouse State in any of the disussions to join a BCS conference? Do the conferences not want them (because of academics maybe?) or do they not have an interest in becoming the BCS school they've long fought against for respect?

 

probably because they dont exist.

[SouthSideRyan]

but theyre mormon

 

isn't this why McMahon when there? he grew up Catholic, wanted to play for Notre Dame but they had Montana and told him he would be a back-up. Of course, McMahon being McMahon, his response was screw you, I'll go to BYU, the Mormon school

 

is that the kind of school you really want int he Big 12????????? the kind of school the likes of Jim McMahon use to spite his own religion???

 

i really mean nothing by this...

 

I thought McMahon went there for Lavell Edwards. He was less than pleased to be a Catholic kid at a Mormon university.

[SouthSideRyan]

or do they not have an interest in becoming the BCS school they've long fought against for respect?

 

Really?

[minnesotacubsfan]

but theyre mormon

 

isn't this why McMahon when there? he grew up Catholic, wanted to play for Notre Dame but they had Montana and told him he would be a back-up. Of course, McMahon being McMahon, his response was screw you, I'll go to BYU, the Mormon school

 

is that the kind of school you really want int he Big 12????????? the kind of school the likes of Jim McMahon use to spite his own religion???

 

i really mean nothing by this...

 

I thought McMahon went there for Lavell Edwards. He was less than pleased to be a Catholic kid at a Mormon university.

 

 

I like my story better.

[Guest]

Why isn't Bouse State in any of the disussions to join a BCS conference? Do the conferences not want them (because of academics maybe?) or do they not have an interest in becoming the BCS school they've long fought against for respect?

 

It's because they're a borderline JUCO that has no fanbase or media markets of note. Their stadium seats 5000 less than the lowest BCS conference team(Cincy).

[Banedon]

Why isn't Bouse State in any of the disussions to join a BCS conference? Do the conferences not want them (because of academics maybe?) or do they not have an interest in becoming the BCS school they've long fought against for respect?

 

It's because they're a borderline JUCO that has no fanbase or media markets of note. Their stadium seats 5000 less than the lowest BCS conference team(Cincy).

 

They're currently increasing the seating capacity of the stadium, which will seat 53,000 when complete in time for the 2013 season. According to Nate Silver, they have a bigger fan base than TCU. Boise State is the #41 highest seller in collegiate apparel (for the first quarter of 2010-2011 fiscal year) as well. Academics is the excuse I hear the most, but frankly I think it's far more likely about geography. If they were located closer further south, I think they'd have a better chance.

[snoodmonger]

Why isn't Bouse State in any of the disussions to join a BCS conference? Do the conferences not want them (because of academics maybe?) or do they not have an interest in becoming the BCS school they've long fought against for respect?

 

It's because they're a borderline JUCO that has no fanbase or media markets of note. Their stadium seats 5000 less than the lowest BCS conference team(Cincy).

 

Exactly. Also, if they had to play by most conferences' rules w/ regards to the types of students they admit, they'd have a lot more trouble fielding good teams.

[SouthSideRyan]

Why isn't Bouse State in any of the disussions to join a BCS conference? Do the conferences not want them (because of academics maybe?) or do they not have an interest in becoming the BCS school they've long fought against for respect?

 

It's because they're a borderline JUCO that has no fanbase or media markets of note. Their stadium seats 5000 less than the lowest BCS conference team(Cincy).

 

They're currently increasing the seating capacity of the stadium, which will seat 53,000 when complete in time for the 2013 season. According to Nate Silver, they have a bigger fan base than TCU. Boise State is the #41 highest seller in collegiate apparel (for the first quarter of 2010-2011 fiscal year) as well. Academics is the excuse I hear the most, but frankly I think it's far more likely about geography. If they were located closer further south, I think they'd have a better chance.

 

According to Nate Silver, Clemson has the 10th biggest fanbase in the coutnry.

[snoodmonger]

So what do you guys think happened with the PAC-10? It seems like it could be any one (or combination of) several scenarios.

 

Did Larry Scott not have the votes to admit new schools?

Did Larry Scott not have the votes to get OSU and TTU in the Pac-10, so their big brothers backed out?

Was the LHN to big a hurdle to overcome?

Was the whole thing a ploy by OU to effect change in the Big 12 that got a little out of hand?

Did Larry Scott/the PAC get tired of having their chain jerked around and withdraw the offer?

Did OU and UT get together to work out a deal, then decline the Pac-10. After that, the Pac "declined" to expand?

[minnesotacubsfan]

So what do you guys think happened with the PAC-10? It seems like it could be any one (or combination of) several scenarios.

 

Did Larry Scott not have the votes to admit new schools?

Did Larry Scott not have the votes to get OSU and TTU in the Pac-10, so their big brothers backed out?

Was the LHN to big a hurdle to overcome?

Was the whole thing a ploy by OU to effect change in the Big 12 that got a little out of hand?

Did Larry Scott/the PAC get tired of having their chain jerked around and withdraw the offer?

Did OU and UT get together to work out a deal, then decline the Pac-10. After that, the Pac "declined" to expand?

 

 

this, and with everything unresolved (from OU-UT perspective), it probably felt as if the timing wasn't right

[Banedon]

Why isn't Bouse State in any of the disussions to join a BCS conference? Do the conferences not want them (because of academics maybe?) or do they not have an interest in becoming the BCS school they've long fought against for respect?

 

It's because they're a borderline JUCO that has no fanbase or media markets of note. Their stadium seats 5000 less than the lowest BCS conference team(Cincy).

 

They're currently increasing the seating capacity of the stadium, which will seat 53,000 when complete in time for the 2013 season. According to Nate Silver, they have a bigger fan base than TCU. Boise State is the #41 highest seller in collegiate apparel (for the first quarter of 2010-2011 fiscal year) as well. Academics is the excuse I hear the most, but frankly I think it's far more likely about geography. If they were located closer further south, I think they'd have a better chance.

 

According to Nate Silver, Clemson has the 10th biggest fanbase in the coutnry.

 

24th in merchandise sales.

[Guest]

So what do you guys think happened with the PAC-10? It seems like it could be any one (or combination of) several scenarios.

 

Did Larry Scott not have the votes to admit new schools?

Did Larry Scott not have the votes to get OSU and TTU in the Pac-10, so their big brothers backed out?

Was the LHN to big a hurdle to overcome?

Was the whole thing a ploy by OU to effect change in the Big 12 that got a little out of hand?

Did Larry Scott/the PAC get tired of having their chain jerked around and withdraw the offer?

Did OU and UT get together to work out a deal, then decline the Pac-10. After that, the Pac "declined" to expand?

 

I think it was at least 90% LHN.

[shnsajax]

Why isn't Bouse State in any of the disussions to join a BCS conference? Do the conferences not want them (because of academics maybe?) or do they not have an interest in becoming the BCS school they've long fought against for respect?

 

It's because they're a borderline JUCO that has no fanbase or media markets of note. Their stadium seats 5000 less than the lowest BCS conference team(Cincy).

 

They're currently increasing the seating capacity of the stadium, which will seat 53,000 when complete in time for the 2013 season. According to Nate Silver, they have a bigger fan base than TCU. Boise State is the #41 highest seller in collegiate apparel (for the first quarter of 2010-2011 fiscal year) as well. Academics is the excuse I hear the most, but frankly I think it's far more likely about geography. If they were located closer further south, I think they'd have a better chance.

 

According to Nate Silver, Clemson has the 10th biggest fanbase in the coutnry.

 

24th in merchandise sales.

 

Clemson fans are torn between that and NASCAR for merchandise sales.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I'd say LHN and I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't have the votes. Colorado has been pretty vocal against adding teams.