NCAA Conference Realignment

[SouthSideRyan]

Great West Conference to officially offer Kansas on Friday.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Adding the Iowa St./Iowa game would be popular there, but it's not going to make the conference a huge payout.

It's not even really that popular outside of Ames.

 

oh bull [expletive]. i love when hawkeye fans act like they're above the iowa/isu game.

It pales in comparison to pretty much all Big Ten games.

[SouthSideRyan]

Erik, theres really no coming back from listing ISU as a viable option. The other ISU makes as much sense.

How about KU becoming the ND of basketball? They could schedule as they pleased. They would have to have multiple Tv deals, a few games on CBS, ESPN, etc to make financial sense. In other sports they could sign up with the MWC or whoever.

 

 

works in october-december

 

finding anyone to schedule you during conference play would be nigh impossible. that's what, 16 games they'd have to find every year?

 

Not sure what the TV package demand would be either. I love to think the networks would be lining up, but that's wishful thinking.

 

did anyone else hear the KU to the Big East possibility? why not just give the NCAA trophy do the Big East tourney champ?

 

Primary issue there is a Big East team hasn't won the tournament since 2004.

[Derwood]

Right now Notre Dame gets a BCS birth if they finish in the top 8 and they get a payout regardless. There's just no way to guarantee something similar in the new setup. Notre Dame just simply won't be as important to the BCS in a world of super conferences as they are now based on size/power alone.

 

I think that's the real kicker. They were able to demand a lot the last time they figured out the BCS, but probably not anymore.

 

again, why? you don't think ND has the same leverage with 4 superconferences (how these are made up, I still don't know, but that's another story) - why? what makes the situation so much different? Is the NCAA going to exclude all non-superconference teams from the title game?

 

The NCAA has nothing to do with it, as they don't sanction the title game

[Tracer Bullet]

Right now Notre Dame gets a BCS birth if they finish in the top 8 and they get a payout regardless. There's just no way to guarantee something similar in the new setup. Notre Dame just simply won't be as important to the BCS in a world of super conferences as they are now based on size/power alone.

 

I think that's the real kicker. They were able to demand a lot the last time they figured out the BCS, but probably not anymore.

 

again, why? you don't think ND has the same leverage with 4 superconferences (how these are made up, I still don't know, but that's another story) - why? what makes the situation so much different? Is the NCAA going to exclude all non-superconference teams from the title game?

 

ND isn't what it used to be. The big conference's power has grown, while ND's has shrunk.

 

How so? The last time they changed the payouts was in what - 04? Kevin dumbass White negotiated down to ND's current position (I mean, he gave up getting the full payout for the annual payout, right before the team went to 2 straight BCS games). They've been bowl eligible in 4 of the last 5 years, with 2 BCS games in that time and they're still a huge national draw that, after this year, have very good schedules, including games at Yankee Stadium and Soldier Field.

 

ND isn't what it was in the late-80s/early-90s. But ND in 2010 is better leveraged than ND was in 2000-2004. The superconferences may or may not be more powerful. I have no idea how to even begin to figure that out since the alignment is so far from determined.

[Tracer Bullet]

Erik, theres really no coming back from listing ISU as a viable option. The other ISU makes as much sense.

How about KU becoming the ND of basketball? They could schedule as they pleased. They would have to have multiple Tv deals, a few games on CBS, ESPN, etc to make financial sense. In other sports they could sign up with the MWC or whoever.

 

 

works in october-december

 

finding anyone to schedule you during conference play would be nigh impossible. that's what, 16 games they'd have to find every year?

 

Not sure what the TV package demand would be either. I love to think the networks would be lining up, but that's wishful thinking.

 

did anyone else hear the KU to the Big East possibility? why not just give the NCAA trophy do the Big East tourney champ?

 

Primary issue there is a Big East team hasn't won the tournament since 2004.

 

I'd say the primary issue is all the other schools that would object. But the Big East with Kansas hoops would be like the Pac-16 (or whatever this behemoth will be called).

[EhDubya]

Has it been mentioned before that if Notre Dame finally joins then the Big Ten would have 5 of the top 7 winningest college football programs of all time? Thats crazy, right?

 

I mean somehow get Texas too and you are looking at 6 of 7! I don't expect this to happen, but thats gotta be something Delaney dreams of bragging about.

[Jon]

The football contract with NBC runs out in 2015 and Notre Dame is barely getting half of what Big Ten teams pull in (soon to be less than half). Compared to the Big Ten and SEC, they're far from being in a stable TV situation. Finish up with a few below average years and NBC isn't exactly going to open up their wallets. And even if they do, it won't come close to what other schools are getting.

 

Right now Notre Dame gets a BCS birth if they finish in the top 8 and they get a payout regardless. There's just no way to guarantee something similar in the new setup. Notre Dame just simply won't be as important to the BCS in a world of super conferences as they are now based on size/power alone.

 

first - your tv revenue numbers are just wrong. don't believe everything that you read (about both sides).

 

the rest of that is just speculation. you're talking in definite statements when you have no idea how the BCS title game will work. I don't know how anyone could at this point, with the potential for such a huge shakeup.

No, that's the whole point. I'm talking about how Notre Dame cannot control their destiny without joining a conference. There's no telling what will happen (title game, BCS system, bowl affiliations, TV situation, everything) and that should really worry them. The one guarantee is that the Big Ten, SEC, and Pac-10 are going to do very well for themselves in just about every aspect. Notre Dame has no such guarantee.

 

As for the TV revenue, Big Ten revenue is pretty well reported. The Big Ten Network alone is worth nearly $5 million a year per school and that's going to grow substantially. Just the New York Market would probably mean another $1-2 million per school at least. That doesn't even take ESPN and other advertising revenue into account.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

So Michigan, OSU, PSU, ND, and who else? Nevermind I forgot Nebraska.

[Tracer Bullet]

The football contract with NBC runs out in 2015 and Notre Dame is barely getting half of what Big Ten teams pull in (soon to be less than half). Compared to the Big Ten and SEC, they're far from being in a stable TV situation. Finish up with a few below average years and NBC isn't exactly going to open up their wallets. And even if they do, it won't come close to what other schools are getting.

 

Right now Notre Dame gets a BCS birth if they finish in the top 8 and they get a payout regardless. There's just no way to guarantee something similar in the new setup. Notre Dame just simply won't be as important to the BCS in a world of super conferences as they are now based on size/power alone.

 

first - your tv revenue numbers are just wrong. don't believe everything that you read (about both sides).

 

the rest of that is just speculation. you're talking in definite statements when you have no idea how the BCS title game will work. I don't know how anyone could at this point, with the potential for such a huge shakeup.

No, that's the whole point. I'm talking about how Notre Dame cannot control their destiny without joining a conference. There's no telling what will happen (title game, BCS system, bowl affiliations, TV situation, everything) and that should really worry them. The one guarantee is that the Big Ten, SEC, and Pac-10 are going to do very well for themselves in just about every aspect. Notre Dame has no such guarantee.

 

As for the TV revenue, Big Ten revenue is pretty well reported. The Big Ten Network alone is worth nearly $5 million a year per school and that's going to grow substantially. Just the New York Market would probably mean another $1-2 million per school at least. That doesn't even take ESPN and other advertising revenue into account.

 

actually, the big ten tv revenue is not well reported. if you can find it broken down, i'd love to see it. I see a lot of reports that combine a bunch of revenue together, but not a true tv revenue breakdown.

 

i still don't understand why ND has any less control over its destiny now than it did yesterday or last year. it's an NCAA cash cow. you think no conference team is going to want ND and its hoards of fans and money on their schedule? the super conferences are going to exclude ND and the rest of the ncaa from their title game?

 

how do you get to 4 superconferences of 64 teams anyway? who makes up the 4th behemoth?

[Tracer Bullet]

just saw the usc sanctions - never mind. no objections here at all.

 

hahahahahaha

[abuck1220]

just saw the usc sanctions - never mind. no objections here at all.

 

hahahahahaha

 

big blow to the 2011 emerald bowl.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

actually, the big ten tv revenue is not well reported. if you can find it broken down, i'd love to see it. I see a lot of reports that combine a bunch of revenue together, but not a true tv revenue breakdown.

07-08 - 6.1M

08-09 - 6.4M

09-10 - 6.5M (est)

 

I'm still trying to find the site where I got that, the numbers just stuck in my head.

[Jon]

actually, the big ten tv revenue is not well reported. if you can find it broken down, i'd love to see it. I see a lot of reports that combine a bunch of revenue together, but not a true tv revenue breakdown.

07-08 - 6.1M

08-09 - 6.4M

09-10 - 6.5M (est)

 

I'm still trying to find the site where I got that, the numbers just stuck in my head.

Yeah, those are the reported Big Ten Network figures according the Illinois athletic department. They numbers vary slightly from source to source, but they're all in the same ballpark. ESPN is about $8.4 million per school with another $5-7 million from misc. sources (advertising for the most part).

[EhDubya]

 

how do you get to 4 superconferences of 64 teams anyway? who makes up the 4th behemoth?

 

I'll give it a shot:

 

Pacific West

Arizona

Arizona St

California

Oregon

Oregon

Stanford

UCLA

USC

Washington

Washington State

+*Texas

*Texas A&M

*Texas Tech

*Oklahoma

*Colorado

*Oklahoma State

 

Big 16

Penn State

Ohio State

Michigan

Michigan State

Wisconsin

Iowa

Illinois

Indiana

Purdue

Northwestern

Minnesota

+*Nebraska

*Syracuse

*Rutgers

*Notre Dame

*Maryland

 

SEC

Alabama

Arkansas

Auburn

Florida

Georgia

Kentucky

LSU

Mississippi

Mississippi State

South Carolina

Tennessee

Vanderbilt

+*Florida State

*Miami

*Clemson

*Georgia Tech

 

ACCEast-ish

Boston College

Duke

North Carolina

North Carolina State

Virginia

Virginia Tech

Wake Forest

+*Pitt

*West Virginia

*UConn

*Cincinnati

*Louisville

*South Florida

*Kansas

*Kansas State

*Missouri

 

So obviously the last conference is a bit weak compared to the others, but we knew that about the Big East/ACC already. At any rate, there won't be a shortage of schools to make up 4 16 team leagues.

 

Then take the leftovers and let them form 2 more conferences out of the best from the MAC, WAC, Mountain West, Conference USA and see if any quality teams come out of them. 2 teams from each Super Conference move on, then 1 each from the 2 leftover conferences and you have a 10 team tournament with 2 BYEs?

Edited June 10, 2010 by EhDubya

[Jon]

actually, the big ten tv revenue is not well reported. if you can find it broken down, i'd love to see it. I see a lot of reports that combine a bunch of revenue together, but not a true tv revenue breakdown.

 

i still don't understand why ND has any less control over its destiny now than it did yesterday or last year. it's an NCAA cash cow. you think no conference team is going to want ND and its hoards of fans and money on their schedule? the super conferences are going to exclude ND and the rest of the ncaa from their title game?

 

how do you get to 4 superconferences of 64 teams anyway? who makes up the 4th behemoth?

Simply because Notre Dame can't carry as much weight against fewer larger conferences as they did against more smaller conferences. Each superconference as more consolidated power than before.

 

Again, it's not about them being locked out completely. It's about having to settle on more limitations and a smaller piece of the pie because the conferences just don't have to budge the way they had to before.

 

The likeliest candidate is a new ACC with added schools from the Big East. But the situation on the east coast will probably develop last. The longer that plays out and the longer Notre Dame holds out, the less bargaining power they'll have if they decide to negotiate with the Big Ten.

[Flames24Rulz]

i think that the big ten should let ku in, on the condition that bill self comes forward and finally admits that he drinks goat pee.

 

I think they should too.

[Tracer Bullet]

actually, the big ten tv revenue is not well reported. if you can find it broken down, i'd love to see it. I see a lot of reports that combine a bunch of revenue together, but not a true tv revenue breakdown.

 

i still don't understand why ND has any less control over its destiny now than it did yesterday or last year. it's an NCAA cash cow. you think no conference team is going to want ND and its hoards of fans and money on their schedule? the super conferences are going to exclude ND and the rest of the ncaa from their title game?

 

how do you get to 4 superconferences of 64 teams anyway? who makes up the 4th behemoth?

Simply because Notre Dame can't carry as much weight against fewer larger conferences as they did against more smaller conferences. Each superconference as more consolidated power than before.

 

Again, it's not about them being locked out completely. It's about having to settle on more limitations and a smaller piece of the pie because the conferences just don't have to budge the way they had to before.

 

The likeliest candidate is a new ACC with added schools from the Big East. But the situation on the east coast will probably develop last. The longer that plays out and the longer Notre Dame holds out, the less bargaining power they'll have if they decide to negotiate with the Big Ten.

 

but there isn't much difference. There were 5 conferences, but not all created equally. The Pac-10 was driven mostly by 1 school. Texas rules the Big 12. Then there's the SEC and the Big Ten. The major players are still the same. And several of the biggest players want to play against ND. It makes no sense.

[CubInOK]

nm

[Wilson A2000]

I wonder if Carroll knew he was going to get these sanctions and that is why he bolted. But Kiffin getting hammered with something he didn't do....couldn't happen to a better guy!

[Banedon]

I wonder if Carroll knew he was going to get these sanctions and that is why he bolted. But Kiffin getting hammered with something he didn't do....couldn't happen to a better guy!

 

Oh hell yes Carroll knew. I don't know if he knew what they'd be, but he knew they'd be messy. I think there was a lot of that being said back at the time he bolted.

[hardcorecubfan]

Heard a guy on ESPN, analyst for Nebraska, and he was trying to convince us that it was truly an academic reason for switching conference, this would give them credibility as a research center. :shock:

 

could someone explain this?

[bukie]

Heard a guy on ESPN, analyst for Nebraska, and he was trying to convince us that it was truly an academic reason for switching conference, this would give them credibility as a research center. :shock:

 

could someone explain this?

Read the thread.

[Jon]

Who else loves local news?

 

kctv5.com[/url]"]KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- High level sources in multiple conferences have told KCTV5 that Texas and Texas A&M are looking to move to the Big Ten Conference and have petitioned for membership, while the University of Oklahoma is planning on petitioning the Southeastern Conference to become a member of its conference.

 

KCTV5's sources said that Texas and Texas A&M do not have to include Texas Tech or Baylor in their plans. Sources told KCTV5 that there have already been discussions about the two schools entering the Big Ten and that the agreement could be made as soon as Thursday.

 

Oklahoma is currently working on petitioning to enter the SEC, but must find another university to enter the league with them, sources said. TMZ Sports has reported that Oklahoma State is likely to accept a bid to move to the Pac-10. Earlier Thursday, Colorado accepted an invitation to join the Pac-10.

 

KCTV5's sources also said that some Big 12 officials are saying decisions on which deals Big 12 schools take invitations by the end of the day Thursday, although the deals may not be officially announced. Big 12 officials also tell KCTV5's sources that some Big 12 office employees are planning to be without a job within weeks.

 

Those decisions would leave the University of Kansas, Kansas State University and the University of Missouri with Baylor, Texas Tech and Iowa State in the Big 12. The Missouri Board of Curators met Thursday and planned to meet Friday to discuss the future of Missouri sports.

[imb]

actually, the big ten tv revenue is not well reported. if you can find it broken down, i'd love to see it. I see a lot of reports that combine a bunch of revenue together, but not a true tv revenue breakdown.

 

i still don't understand why ND has any less control over its destiny now than it did yesterday or last year. it's an NCAA cash cow. you think no conference team is going to want ND and its hoards of fans and money on their schedule? the super conferences are going to exclude ND and the rest of the ncaa from their title game?

 

how do you get to 4 superconferences of 64 teams anyway? who makes up the 4th behemoth?

Simply because Notre Dame can't carry as much weight against fewer larger conferences as they did against more smaller conferences. Each superconference as more consolidated power than before.

 

Again, it's not about them being locked out completely. It's about having to settle on more limitations and a smaller piece of the pie because the conferences just don't have to budge the way they had to before.

 

The likeliest candidate is a new ACC with added schools from the Big East. But the situation on the east coast will probably develop last. The longer that plays out and the longer Notre Dame holds out, the less bargaining power they'll have if they decide to negotiate with the Big Ten.

 

but there isn't much difference. There were 5 conferences, but not all created equally. The Pac-10 was driven mostly by 1 school. Texas rules the Big 12. Then there's the SEC and the Big Ten. The major players are still the same. And several of the biggest players want to play against ND. It makes no sense.

 

Agreed.

 

Real quick though, since you're kind of an impartial observer to the big 12 breakup/merge into the big 10... in your opinion, would adding texas make more sense than adding iowa state?