NCAA Conference Realignment

[Derwood]

truly amazing how we've moved from "Big Ten considers expansion" to "Big XII is vaporized in a cataclysmic vortex of FAIL" in a few short months

[Banedon]

Heh...so if the Big 10 grabs Nebraska, and stops there...and the Pac 10 grabs 6 teams or so from the Big XII, should the Big Ten change their name to the Big 12? :)

[jersey cubs fan]

Heh...so if the Big 10 grabs Nebraska, and stops there...and the Pac 10 grabs 6 teams or so from the Big XII, should the Big Ten change their name to the Big 12? :)

 

I've been wondering about how ugly it would be if they just grabbed Nebraska. What a complete dud. Not as bad as just grabbing Missouri, but not the least bit impressive.

[Derwood]

East

-----

Penn State

Ohio State

Michigan

Michigan St.

Indiana

Purdue

 

West

------

Illinois

Northwestern

Iowa

Wisconsin

Minnesota

Nebraska

 

???????????????????????

[Jon]

Heh...so if the Big 10 grabs Nebraska, and stops there...and the Pac 10 grabs 6 teams or so from the Big XII, should the Big Ten change their name to the Big 12? :)

 

I've been wondering about how ugly it would be if they just grabbed Nebraska. What a complete dud. Not as bad as just grabbing Missouri, but not the least bit impressive.

I don't think it's likely. It will probably take a little while for Notre Dame to make a decision and the Big East/ACC/SEC situation to play out, but I'd be shocked if there wasn't a phase II which included at least 2 more schools like Missouri, Rutgers, Syracuse, etc.

 

More quantity than quality, really, but I also think Notre Dame is finally going to have to make the decision to come to the Big Ten in the next month.

 

 

 

Also, I wouldn't be shocked if the Big Ten resists divisions entirely in order to try and prevent the BCS from becoming a playoff system.

[hawkeyecub]

Heh...so if the Big 10 grabs Nebraska, and stops there...and the Pac 10 grabs 6 teams or so from the Big XII, should the Big Ten change their name to the Big 12? :)

 

I've been wondering about how ugly it would be if they just grabbed Nebraska. What a complete dud. Not as bad as just grabbing Missouri, but not the least bit impressive.

 

I would like that better than grabbing Maryland and Rutgers. I think my ideal scenario now would be to add Notre Dame and Missouri and stop at 14.

[Jon]

I'll be pretty disappointed if the Pac-10 isn't done adding 6 teams by the end of tomorrow.

[jersey cubs fan]

Also, I wouldn't be shocked if the Big Ten resists divisions entirely in order to try and prevent the BCS from becoming a playoff system.

 

Part of me thinks the Big Ten knows a playoff is inevitable, and this expansion is a way of guaranteeing two seats at that table.

[Banedon]

I'd be lying if I said I won't be disappointed when Texas leaves the Big XII and doesn't come to the Big Ten.

[erik316wttn]

East

-----

Penn State

Ohio State

Michigan

Michigan St.

Indiana

Purdue

 

West

------

Illinois

Northwestern

Iowa

Wisconsin

Minnesota

Nebraska

 

???????????????????????

 

I'd grab Iowa St, Missouri, and Kansas. Iowa vs Iowa State gives you a natural rivalry game every year, and so does preserving Kansas and Missouri. Then I'd go

 

East:

Michigan

Michigan State

Indiana

Purdue

Northwestern

Penn State

Ohio State

 

West:

Wisconsin

Minnesota

Iowa

Nebraska

Missouri

Kansas

Iowa State

 

Notre Dame isn't going to give up their sweet gig, and Missouri, Kansas, and I-State make a hell of a lot more sense than Texas does from the point of the respective schools.

 

edited because I meant Kansas and not Kansas State

Edited June 10, 2010 by erik316wttn

[Jon]

Also, I wouldn't be shocked if the Big Ten resists divisions entirely in order to try and prevent the BCS from becoming a playoff system.

 

Part of me thinks the Big Ten knows a playoff is inevitable, and this expansion is a way of guaranteeing two seats at that table.

Perhaps, but they're still going to fight it. The entire bowl situation is going to need to be looked at once the musical chairs stop, but even delaying playoffs 10 years could mean a huge difference financially.

[erik316wttn]

I'll be pretty disappointed if the Pac-10 isn't done adding 6 teams by the end of tomorrow.

 

They just grabbed Colorado:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5271438

[jersey cubs fan]

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/06/blackhawks-revelers-arrest-total-19.html

 

and now for the important stats

[hawkeyecub]

East

-----

Penn State

Ohio State

Michigan

Michigan St.

Indiana

Purdue

 

West

------

Illinois

Northwestern

Iowa

Wisconsin

Minnesota

Nebraska

 

???????????????????????

 

I'd grab Iowa St, Missouri, and Kansas. Iowa vs Iowa State gives you a natural rivalry game every year, and so does preserving Kansas and Missouri. Then I'd go

 

East:

Michigan

Michigan State

Indiana

Purdue

Northwestern

Penn State

Ohio State

 

West:

Wisconsin

Minnesota

Iowa

Nebraska

Missouri

Kansas

Iowa State

 

Notre Dame isn't going to give up their sweet gig, and Missouri, K-state, and I-State make a hell of a lot more sense than Texas does.

 

Why the hell should the Big 10 care about preserving Big 8/Big 12 rivalries? Adding Iowa State makes about as much sense as the Pac 10 adding Baylor. Saying Iowa state makes a hell of a lot more sense than Texas does is so absurd I can't even begin to find words.

Edited June 10, 2010 by hawkeyecub

[Jon]

Notre Dame isn't going to give up their sweet gig, and Missouri, K-state, and I-State make a hell of a lot more sense than Texas does.

Notre Dame's sweet gig is about to go from pretty decent short-term to being very hard to sustain long-term.

[erik316wttn]

East

-----

Penn State

Ohio State

Michigan

Michigan St.

Indiana

Purdue

 

West

------

Illinois

Northwestern

Iowa

Wisconsin

Minnesota

Nebraska

 

???????????????????????

 

I'd grab Iowa St, Missouri, and Kansas. Iowa vs Iowa State gives you a natural rivalry game every year, and so does preserving Kansas and Missouri. Then I'd go

 

East:

Michigan

Michigan State

Indiana

Purdue

Northwestern

Penn State

Ohio State

 

West:

Wisconsin

Minnesota

Iowa

Nebraska

Missouri

Kansas

Iowa State

 

Notre Dame isn't going to give up their sweet gig, and Missouri, K-state, and I-State make a hell of a lot more sense than Texas does.

 

Why the hell should the Big 10 care about preserving Big 8/Big 12 rivalries? Adding Iowa State makes about as much sense as the Pac 10 adding Baylor.

 

Because at the root of this, it's about money. Plain and simple. Iowa vs. Iowa St could quickly become a rivalry, and Missouri vs. Kansas is a huge rivalry that would feature a packed stadium filled with rabid screaming fans every single year. Do you honestly think they want to take that away?

 

Hell, if they can grab Notre Dame and Texas, go for it. I just don't think those schools would be interested in moving to the Big 10. Especially Texas, who will follow their big-money rivals wherever they go.

 

I'd think the ultimate big move here would be grabbing 2 of Texas, Notre Dame, and Boise State. My last post is what I think is feasible and what schools they could get to agree to jump, not in a vacuum of what I think would be best.

Edited June 10, 2010 by erik316wttn

[Butterscup1679666578]

This whole thing is a lot bigger than football rivalries.

[hawkeyecub]

Because at the root of this, it's about money. Plain and simple. Iowa vs. Iowa St could quickly become a rivalry, and Missouri vs. Kansas is a huge rivalry that would feature a packed stadium filled with rabid screaming fans every single year. Do you honestly think they want to take that away?

 

Hell, if they can grab Notre Dame and Texas, go for it. I just don't think those schools would be interested in moving to the Big 10.

 

Yes it's about money. So how does Iowa State bring in money? They add no tv revenue, they have a small stadium and they're not a draw anywhere on the road or television.

 

It's clear you really don't know what you're talking about. Iowa and Iowa St. could quickly become a rivalry? Apparently you're unaware they already play each other every freaking year. Yes God forbid we lose the Mizzou/Kansas rivalry that packs stadiums because no one goes to other Big Ten games.

Boise State? Just stop.

[erik316wttn]

Because at the root of this, it's about money. Plain and simple. Iowa vs. Iowa St could quickly become a rivalry, and Missouri vs. Kansas is a huge rivalry that would feature a packed stadium filled with rabid screaming fans every single year. Do you honestly think they want to take that away?

 

Hell, if they can grab Notre Dame and Texas, go for it. I just don't think those schools would be interested in moving to the Big 10.

 

Yes it's about money. So how does Iowa State bring in money? They add no tv revenue, they have a small stadium and they're not a draw anywhere on the road or television.

 

It's clear you really don't know what you're talking about. Iowa and Iowa St. could quickly become a rivalry? Apparently you're unaware they already play each other every freaking year. Yes God forbid we lose the Mizzou/Kansas rivalry that packs stadiums because no one goes to other Big Ten games.

Boise State? Just stop.

 

Awww.... is someone cranky today? My son gets crabby like that when he needs a nap, too.

 

I'm a fan of tradition, I guess. I would hate to see the 2nd oldest rivalry in college football be dissolved. Yes, the Big 10 is a popular conference and is a big draw on the road. But do you honestly think Missouri vs. Kansas would be detrimental to the conference? Answer me yes or no.

Edited June 10, 2010 by erik316wttn

[inari]

Because at the root of this, it's about money. Plain and simple. Iowa vs. Iowa St could quickly become a rivalry, and Missouri vs. Kansas is a huge rivalry that would feature a packed stadium filled with rabid screaming fans every single year. Do you honestly think they want to take that away?

 

Hell, if they can grab Notre Dame and Texas, go for it. I just don't think those schools would be interested in moving to the Big 10.

 

Yes it's about money. So how does Iowa State bring in money? They add no tv revenue, they have a small stadium and they're not a draw anywhere on the road or television.

 

It's clear you really don't know what you're talking about. Iowa and Iowa St. could quickly become a rivalry? Apparently you're unaware they already play each other every freaking year. Yes God forbid we lose the Mizzou/Kansas rivalry that packs stadiums because no one goes to other Big Ten games.

Boise State? Just stop.

 

Awww.... is someone cranky today?

 

No, he's just irritated by people saying incorrect things.

[hawkeyecub]

Because at the root of this, it's about money. Plain and simple. Iowa vs. Iowa St could quickly become a rivalry, and Missouri vs. Kansas is a huge rivalry that would feature a packed stadium filled with rabid screaming fans every single year. Do you honestly think they want to take that away?

 

Hell, if they can grab Notre Dame and Texas, go for it. I just don't think those schools would be interested in moving to the Big 10.

 

Yes it's about money. So how does Iowa State bring in money? They add no tv revenue, they have a small stadium and they're not a draw anywhere on the road or television.

 

It's clear you really don't know what you're talking about. Iowa and Iowa St. could quickly become a rivalry? Apparently you're unaware they already play each other every freaking year. Yes God forbid we lose the Mizzou/Kansas rivalry that packs stadiums because no one goes to other Big Ten games.

Boise State? Just stop.

 

Awww.... is someone cranky today?

 

Not a bit, I'm in a fantastic mood. You just have no idea what you're talking about. You want to create an Iowa/ISU rivalry when they've played every year for 30 years. You think Boise St. would be part of the ultimate group. You want to keep the Mizzou/KU football rivalry going because it would pack stadiums. At the same time you say it's all about money you suggest moves that make no financial sense.

[Magnetic Curses]

East

-----

Penn State

Ohio State

Michigan

Michigan St.

Indiana

Purdue

 

West

------

Illinois

Northwestern

Iowa

Wisconsin

Minnesota

Nebraska

 

???????????????????????

 

I'd grab Iowa St, Missouri, and Kansas. Iowa vs Iowa State gives you a natural rivalry game every year, and so does preserving Kansas and Missouri. Then I'd go

 

East:

Michigan

Michigan State

Indiana

Purdue

Northwestern

Penn State

Ohio State

 

West:

Wisconsin

Minnesota

Iowa

Nebraska

Missouri

Kansas

Iowa State

 

Notre Dame isn't going to give up their sweet gig, and Missouri, K-state, and I-State make a hell of a lot more sense than Texas does.

 

hmm, thinking of kicking the illini out of the [expletive] big ten?

[erik316wttn]

Because at the root of this, it's about money. Plain and simple. Iowa vs. Iowa St could quickly become a rivalry, and Missouri vs. Kansas is a huge rivalry that would feature a packed stadium filled with rabid screaming fans every single year. Do you honestly think they want to take that away?

 

Hell, if they can grab Notre Dame and Texas, go for it. I just don't think those schools would be interested in moving to the Big 10.

 

Yes it's about money. So how does Iowa State bring in money? They add no tv revenue, they have a small stadium and they're not a draw anywhere on the road or television.

 

It's clear you really don't know what you're talking about. Iowa and Iowa St. could quickly become a rivalry? Apparently you're unaware they already play each other every freaking year. Yes God forbid we lose the Mizzou/Kansas rivalry that packs stadiums because no one goes to other Big Ten games.

Boise State? Just stop.

 

Awww.... is someone cranky today?

 

Not a bit, I'm in a fantastic mood. You just have no idea what you're talking about. You want to create an Iowa/ISU rivalry when they've played every year for 30 years. You think Boise St. would be part of the ultimate group. You want to keep the Mizzou/KU football rivalry going because it would pack stadiums. At the same time you say it's all about money you suggest moves that make no financial sense.

 

Am I opposed to Texas or Notre Dame? For the second time now, no I am not. I would be thrilled to add those teams to the Big 10 and see the Badgers play them on a regular or semi-regular basis. I'm just saying that I don't think those schools will agree to join the conference, so I'm suggesting schools that will also be looking to move that I think would be more realistic alternatives. Please enlighten me with other suggestions. I'm not looking for an argument here, just a good discussion.

 

Ultimately I think Notre Dame stays independent and Texas waits to see where Oklahoma and Tech and A&M go and then make their decision.

[erik316wttn]

East

-----

Penn State

Ohio State

Michigan

Michigan St.

Indiana

Purdue

 

West

------

Illinois

Northwestern

Iowa

Wisconsin

Minnesota

Nebraska

 

???????????????????????

 

I'd grab Iowa St, Missouri, and Kansas. Iowa vs Iowa State gives you a natural rivalry game every year, and so does preserving Kansas and Missouri. Then I'd go

 

East:

Michigan

Michigan State

Indiana

Purdue

Northwestern

Penn State

Ohio State

 

West:

Wisconsin

Minnesota

Iowa

Nebraska

Missouri

Kansas

Iowa State

 

Notre Dame isn't going to give up their sweet gig, and Missouri, K-state, and I-State make a hell of a lot more sense than Texas does.

 

hmm, thinking of kicking the illini out of the [expletive] big ten?

 

Oops. Ok then, drop Iowa State and replace them with Illinois.

[jersey cubs fan]

Ultimately I think Notre Dame stays independent and Texas waits to see where Oklahoma and Tech and A&M go and then make their decision.

 

Texas is going to make that decision. They aren't going to be followers.