NCAA Conference Realignment

[UMFan83]

Time to put Purple Book Cat's rumor to bed:

 

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/longhorns/entries/2010/06/11/official_ut_tec.html

 

Well then...I guess the Big 10's plan has to be getting ND and who else?

[TheVolCub08]

Time to put Purple Book Cat's rumor to bed:

 

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/longhorns/entries/2010/06/11/official_ut_tec.html

 

Well then...I guess the Big 10's plan has to be getting ND and who else?

 

Why do they need anyone?

 

If it's Nebraska and ND, though, I don't think Rutgers would be a horrible idea. After all, this is all about money, and Rutgers puts you into New York. Pitt or Cincy make more sense geographically, but Rutgers would make the most sense financially.

[Andy]

For humor's sake I'd love to see the Big Ten take crappy Big East teams and then watch Notre Dame join the ACC, which is a much better fit for them in every way except, obviously, geographically.

[TheVolCub08]

And while we're at the assumptions, if the Big 10 decides to become the Big 16, that could realistically spell the end of the Big East. The SEC will possibly raid the ACC, which will in turn raid the depleted Big East.

 

Pitt, Rutgers, Nebraska, ND, and Mizzou to the Big 10

 

Texas, Tech, Colorado, OU, OSU, and A&M to the Pac 10

 

Va Tech, FSU, Miami, and Ga Tech to the SEC

 

ACC would have to replace 4 members, and could with Syracuse, West Virginia, Connecticut, and Louisville.

 

That leaves the Big East in Shambles. Leftovers like USF and Cincy could reach out to schools like KU and KState, Iowa State and Baylor, and stronger CUSA schools like Houston and Memphis, etc and try to piece together a makeshift BCS Conference. Each of the 4 Supers could have 2 autobids into BCS Bowls, the smaller conference gets one, and one more at large?

 

All of this is baseless assumption, but I think we're about to see an incredible firestorm set off by this. The NCAA landscape is going to look drastically different in 2012, imo.

Edited June 11, 2010 by TheVolCub08

[Old Style]

Dennis Dodds just tweeted that Delany told Dan Beebe the Big 10 is done raiding its conference. Which would suggest Missouri to the Big 10 is not happening.

LOL. What conference? Without Nebraska, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Texas A&M, Beebe has nothing.

[radarluv1]

I really dont see the value of just adding Nebraska, especially to the BTNetwork. They potentially could add the shared revenue of some bowl games i guess, but not many TV sets for the network, and Nebraska will be a loss in basketball revenue sharing. If Delaney's plan stops here, then it is a failure, imo. If Nebraska helps get ND or Texas, then thats different.

If the B10 gets to 14 or 16 teams, how the heck do they show all the damn games?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm hoping when the dust settles that aTm ends up in the SEC. The SEC could then add three of Ga Tech, Miami, Florida State, Virginia Tech, or Clemson. I think I would like to seen aTM, Clemson, Ga Tech, and either Miami or Florida State myself.

[BigSlick]

so someone who is more in the know on this, does this put us closer or further away from playoff in college football or is it completely meaningless

 

this is most of what I care about

 

also it'll be weird seeing Nebraska play Illinois in the regular season (we'll get [expletive] rocked)

[Jon]

---6/11 Evening Update:

 

There is an unanticipated and fiery power struggle within the Texas academic and athletic leadership over conference affiliation. Notre Dame, likewise, is positioning itself. The Big East is no longer sustainable for Notre Dame.

 

It comes down to the concessions the Big Ten is willing to make. Will the Big Ten schools allow the Big Ten to scale back to 7 games for certain schools, for all schools, or will the entire conference stay at 8 games? Thought is that if it involved BOTH Texas and ND, the conference will agree to it.

 

Big Ten believes Texas will not settle for the Pac 10, and that there is a major split within the administration about what is best for Texas. Unclear, at this point, which side will prevail.

 

Texas also must wait until the Big 12 completely dismantles, and wants to make sure as many former Big 12 members get homes. Pac 10 targeting non Big 12 members as well.

 

Texas is up in the air - there is real anger that the Big 10 broke up the Big 12 with some Texas decision makers. Other Texas decision makers were complicit all along.

It goes back to the rumor a month ago that Texas and Notre Dame are pushing for a shortened conference schedule, which is just something I can't get behind. You can't start out with an unequal balance like that. It's not good for the conference.

 

Also, the sense is that Nebraska may have came too soon for the rest of the conference. Admins on the phone with the schools to hang with the plan.

 

Nebraska complicating things with comments toward Texas, fueling the anti-Big Ten crowd in Austin. Emotional tension high in Austin meetings. Another phone call with conference presidents tonight.

 

That's all I have for now.

[UMFan83]

 

Also, the sense is that Nebraska may have came too soon for the rest of the conference. Admins on the phone with the schools to hang with the plan.

 

Nebraska complicating things with comments toward Texas, fueling the anti-Big Ten crowd in Austin. Emotional tension high in Austin meetings. Another phone call with conference presidents tonight.

 

That's all I have for now.

 

Yeah I'm sure the Big Ten didn't appreciate Nebraska trying to deflect the blame for the dismantling of the Big 12 to essentially Texas.

[Jon]

 

Also, the sense is that Nebraska may have came too soon for the rest of the conference. Admins on the phone with the schools to hang with the plan.

 

Nebraska complicating things with comments toward Texas, fueling the anti-Big Ten crowd in Austin. Emotional tension high in Austin meetings. Another phone call with conference presidents tonight.

 

That's all I have for now.

 

Yeah I'm sure the Big Ten didn't appreciate Nebraska trying to deflect the blame for the dismantling of the Big 12 to essentially Texas.

Yeah, but from Nebraska's perspective, it's either now or later. The blame game is going to last for years. And since they had the microphone first, they had a shot to deliver the first real public jab.

 

If the report is accurate, I'm assuming the pro-Big Ten crowd is primarily on the academic side and the anti-Big Ten dissension is coming from some in the athletic department. One thing that the Big Ten has going for them is that even though Nebraska is in, they're now powerless. They have no say in anything that happens going forward with expansion assuming Delany didn't make any crazy promises, which I would doubt.

[SouthSideRyan]

For humor's sake I'd love to see the Big Ten take crappy Big East teams and then watch Notre Dame join the ACC, which is a much better fit for them in every way except, obviously, geographically.

 

Why exactly is the ACC a better fit?

[da bears]

for those blaming mizzou on this whole thing, get a life. to paraphrase what another mizzou fan said, if we're not good enough to be picked by another conference, then we're certainly not good enough to scare anyone into joining another conference. all this b.s. from nebraska that mizzou was a major cog in them leaving is crap. and all the big 12 fans are blaming missouri, but at the same time saying it doesn't matter if they leave the conference.

 

so either mizzou is irrelevant and doesnt matter, or they are important and their actions started this whole thing. but it cant be both. so to the idiot big 12 fans blaming missouri, pick one or the other.

 

and my opinion is that mizzou is fairly irrelevant in this whole thing and these other schools are just using mizzou as an excuse to make themselves feel better.

[Old Style]

Geoff Ketchum, co-owner of Orangebloods.com

 

Just had an informed Aggie I trust tell me the SEC thing is going to happen. Lots of smoke. I can't wait to watch the drama unfold. 28 minutes ago via web

[Jon]

for those blaming mizzou on this whole thing, get a life. to paraphrase what another mizzou fan said, if we're not good enough to be picked by another conference, then we're certainly not good enough to scare anyone into joining another conference. all this b.s. from nebraska that mizzou was a major cog in them leaving is crap. and all the big 12 fans are blaming missouri, but at the same time saying it doesn't matter if they leave the conference.

 

so either mizzou is irrelevant and doesnt matter, or they are important and their actions started this whole thing. but it cant be both. so to the idiot big 12 fans blaming missouri, pick one or the other.

 

and my opinion is that mizzou is fairly irrelevant in this whole thing and these other schools are just using mizzou as an excuse to make themselves feel better.

Your last line pretty much nailed it. This has nothing to do with Missouri. They're just going to be easy targets for lazy, pissed off columnists and radio show hosts. I'd just plug my ears for a while. Heck, Nebraska made the first move and I don't think they're the ones at fault, either.

 

The conference was run by a single school (Texas), wasn't unified, and had an awful TV situation (made worse by Texas' demands). It was doomed to fail.

[Butterscup1679666578]

for those blaming mizzou on this whole thing, get a life. to paraphrase what another mizzou fan said, if we're not good enough to be picked by another conference, then we're certainly not good enough to scare anyone into joining another conference. all this b.s. from nebraska that mizzou was a major cog in them leaving is crap. and all the big 12 fans are blaming missouri, but at the same time saying it doesn't matter if they leave the conference.

 

so either mizzou is irrelevant and doesnt matter, or they are important and their actions started this whole thing. but it cant be both. so to the idiot big 12 fans blaming missouri, pick one or the other.

 

and my opinion is that mizzou is fairly irrelevant in this whole thing and these other schools are just using mizzou as an excuse to make themselves feel better.

Your last line pretty much nailed it. This has nothing to do with Missouri. They're just going to be easy targets for lazy, pissed off columnists and radio show hosts. I'd just plug my ears for a while. Heck, Nebraska made the first move and I don't think they're the ones at fault, either.

 

The conference was run by a single school (Texas), wasn't unified, and had an awful TV situation (made worse by Texas' demands). It was doomed to fail.

 

I was going to say the same thing. The league failed when Dan Beebe thought it was best to do what was best for Texas instead of the entire conference. I don't think Missouri did anything wrong in trying to do what was best for the University, and I don't think Colorado and Nebraska did anything wrong in bolting. I put 99.9% of the blame on Beebe. Hopefully he'll be unemployed soon.

[snoodmonger]

I'll admit I just like taking shots at Missouri because it's fun.

 

Like I said earlier, Missouri was the first real outward sign of Big 12 fragility, and that didn't help.

 

But it really is and always has been a Texas question. TIn the end, they got too cocky. They knew teams like ISU, Baylor, Tech and KSU didn't have the clout to do anything. They knew KU had limited clout and would have a ton of trouble bolting and leaving KSU behind. OU had it great, too, and OSU was too weak to forge out on its own. They didn't care what CU did because CU has always been replaceable.

 

What they didn't anticipate was Nebraska or Mizzou having the clout or balls to explore other options. And i think they NEVER thought the Big 10 would go for a school like Nebraska.

 

Still, it's funny to see Mizzou (and its fans) backtrack and try to get all pro-Big 12 at the last second. None of this was their fault. But they sure look a like a patsy on the surface.

 

I actually would still prefer to remain in a conference with them. It's a real rivalry. Playing them was always a blast. It's fun to have games that mean something, even when they don't mean anything. It's what keeps you interested, even in the times your team sucks.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I'll admit I just like taking shots at Missouri because it's fun.

 

Like I said earlier, Missouri was the first real outward sign of Big 12 fragility, and that didn't help.

 

But it really is and always has been a Texas question. TIn the end, they got too cocky. They knew teams like ISU, Baylor, Tech and KSU didn't have the clout to do anything. They knew KU had limited clout and would have a ton of trouble bolting and leaving KSU behind. OU had it great, too, and OSU was too weak to forge out on its own. They didn't care what CU did because CU has always been replaceable.

 

What they didn't anticipate was Nebraska or Mizzou having the clout or balls to explore other options. And i think they NEVER thought the Big 10 would go for a school like Nebraska.

 

Still, it's funny to see Mizzou (and its fans) backtrack and try to get all pro-Big 12 at the last second. None of this was their fault. But they sure look a like a patsy on the surface.

 

I actually would still prefer to remain in a conference with them. It's a real rivalry. Playing them was always a blast. It's fun to have games that mean something, even when they don't mean anything. It's what keeps you interested, even in the times your team sucks.

 

At this point I'm not pro-Big 12 because I hate Beebe and Texas, but I'm more pro-Big 12 than I am pro-CUSA. To be honest, I'm mostly pro-Butters-gets-to-keep-his-job-after-next-season, and I don't know if that happens if we're in the CUSA. Mountain West maybe.

[snoodmonger]

I'll admit I just like taking shots at Missouri because it's fun.

 

Like I said earlier, Missouri was the first real outward sign of Big 12 fragility, and that didn't help.

 

But it really is and always has been a Texas question. TIn the end, they got too cocky. They knew teams like ISU, Baylor, Tech and KSU didn't have the clout to do anything. They knew KU had limited clout and would have a ton of trouble bolting and leaving KSU behind. OU had it great, too, and OSU was too weak to forge out on its own. They didn't care what CU did because CU has always been replaceable.

 

What they didn't anticipate was Nebraska or Mizzou having the clout or balls to explore other options. And i think they NEVER thought the Big 10 would go for a school like Nebraska.

 

Still, it's funny to see Mizzou (and its fans) backtrack and try to get all pro-Big 12 at the last second. None of this was their fault. But they sure look a like a patsy on the surface.

 

I actually would still prefer to remain in a conference with them. It's a real rivalry. Playing them was always a blast. It's fun to have games that mean something, even when they don't mean anything. It's what keeps you interested, even in the times your team sucks.

 

At this point I'm not pro-Big 12 because I hate Beebe and Texas, but I'm more pro-Big 12 than I am pro-CUSA. To be honest, I'm mostly pro-Butters-gets-to-keep-his-job-after-next-season, and I don't know if that happens if we're in the CUSA. Mountain West maybe.

 

I'm not saying I'm pro-Big 12. That conference is dead. I'm saying I wish there was a way we could both end up in a legit conference. I don't see how, though.

[tadowdaddy]

I'm praying for the Big East for all 3 schools + ISU. Worst case is a BCS eliglible Mountain West. KSU, KU, and Mizzou only add to the BCS eligibility of the MWC. I'm praying that if it's not the Big East, we pick and choose between MWC teams (UNLV, Utah, BYU, Air Force, TCU, New Mexico), Big East teams (Cincinnati, Louisville), and CUSA teams (Memphis) to form our new "BIG 12" conference. THIS BLOWS!!!! I don't blame Mizzou, but I find this whole thing comical in 2 different ways. First, Nebraska leaves for the Big 10, saying they hate the ego of Texas as a reason, but they are joining a conference with Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State. Second, Texas was at the front of the campaign for unequal revenue sharing. They also blocked the creation of a Big 12 Network. Now they leave for the Pac-10,which has equal revenue sharing and may be preparing to start its own network. Unreal.

[TheVolCub08]

I'm praying for the Big East for all 3 schools + ISU. Worst case is a BCS eliglible Mountain West. KSU, KU, and Mizzou only add to the BCS eligibility of the MWC. I'm praying that if it's not the Big East, we pick and choose between MWC teams (UNLV, Utah, BYU, Air Force, TCU, New Mexico), Big East teams (Cincinnati, Louisville), and CUSA teams (Memphis) to form our new "BIG 12" conference. THIS BLOWS!!!! I don't blame Mizzou, but I find this whole thing comical in 2 different ways. First, Nebraska leaves for the Big 10, saying they hate the ego of Texas as a reason, but they are joining a conference with Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State. Second, Texas was at the front of the campaign for unequal revenue sharing. They also blocked the creation of a Big 12 Network. Now they leave for the Pac-10,which has equal revenue sharing and may be preparing to start its own network. Unreal.

 

If you could put together this lineup, it stands a chance at being a BCS Conference:

 

Kansas

Kansas St.

Mizzou

Iowa St.

Utah

BYU

Boise State (just moved into MWC)

TCU

Cincy

Houston

Memphis

Baylor

 

That's a better than decent hoops conference, even if it's subpar in football.

[Andy]

For humor's sake I'd love to see the Big Ten take crappy Big East teams and then watch Notre Dame join the ACC, which is a much better fit for them in every way except, obviously, geographically.

 

Why exactly is the ACC a better fit?

Mainly, because there are more private schools, and unlike the Big Ten, whose response to a religiously affiliated university is uncertain at best, the ACC already has one (Wake Forest).

 

It's academic, of course. ND to the ACC is even more unlikely right now than ND to the Big Ten.

[hawkeyecub]

I want that Friday after Thanksgiving national tv game with Nebraska. Forget Minnesota, they can play Wisconsin on the last week of the year.

[bcl412]

I want that Friday after Thanksgiving national tv game with Nebraska. Forget Minnesota, they can play Wisconsin on the last week of the year.

 

Iowa vs Nebraska could, potentially, develop into a pretty good rivalry.

[Jon]

Bah. PBC has said that he's been unexpectedly asked to stop posting. It's either a cop-out or things are changing/getting even more interesting.