Granderson to Yankees in 3-way trade? p. 20

[Outshined_One]

What i dont get is why so many people keep posting stuff like " Look what happened with the other supposed prospects." I mean Castro could flop but its better for the cubs to develop their own talent than continue to go out and trade people away for others. And I mean what do past prospects have to do with Castro, Vitters, Cashner, etc. I mean yes they're all prospects but people who continued to want to trade them away will be the same people who criticize hendry if those prospects pan out into something special.

 

I think there is legitimate criticism that can be directed towards how the Cubs approach scouting and player development when it comes to position players. On the one hand, you are correct that we should not write off the Cubs' top position players because of the past failures of guys like Choi, Kelton, Patterson, Harvey, etc. Each guy goes through different trials and tribulations and each of them handles it in their own way. Some of the Cubs' past busts may have been busts with any system simply because of who they are, rather than their coaching.

 

On the other hand, the Cubs' track record in terms of how they have handled particular players is troubling. There still seems to be bias in favor of players who are aggressive at the plate and do not take many walks, although I think that has been changing in recent years. While some guys may have been busts no matter what, others may have panned out better with the Cubs if they had received the appropriate coaching, playing time, and the like. This team gets impatient with its young position players.

 

What I'm saying is, while we should not write off all of the Cubs' position prospects simply because they are in the Cubs' system, I think we need to look at prospects with an understanding of how this team has developed its players in the past few years. I don't think that would discount the value guys like Vitters and Castro have, but I would keep it in mind in discussing potential trades.

 

However, if you write off the Cubs' pitching prospects because they're in the Cubs farm system...well, frankly, you're an idiot.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't think Choi belongs in the same breath as Kelton Harvey and most of the busts. He was putting together a nice major league career until he disappeared.

 

 

And I agree that while you can't dismiss all prospects as suspects just because they are Cubs, you have to be willing to move those guys at any time. The problem with this discussion is Curtis Granderson isn't good enough to be worth the Cubs best prospect(s).

 

The fact that he is from Chicago is meaningless and anybody who brings it up should be shot on sight. The fact that Lou wants him should be meaningless as he isn't going to be in the Cubs plans longterm. He's a nice player with a very large significant flaw. You don't deal your best prospects for nice players, you deal them for difference makers.

[CUBZ99]

I wouldn't mind seeing a deal for Granderson and Jackson, but the Cubs really need to retain some of their prospects like Castro and hope they pan out. They cannot continue to fill every hole that they have on their team via free agency and hope to be in contention if their payroll remains the same.

[Cubswin11]

I wouldn't mind seeing a deal for Granderson and Jackson, but the Cubs really need to retain some of their prospects like Castro and hope they pan out. They cannot continue to fill every hole that they have on their team via free agency and hope to be in contention if their payroll remains the same.

A deal for both those guys would cost a ton probably Castro, Cashner, one of the Jacksons and another player or two.

[BCVM22]

FOX Sports has the Yankees, D'backs and Tigers potentially in on a three-way that would result in:

 

Yankees get Curtis Granderson, 1-2 Arizona prospects

D'backs get Edwin Jackson, Ian Kennedy

Tigers get Max Scherzer, Austin Jackson, one of Phil Coke/Michael Dunn

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=tsn-tigerstalkingjackson&prov=tsn&type=lgns

[17 Seconds]

hasn't austin jackson's stock dropped quite a bit? that package seems kind of light, at least compared to what they were supposedly asking for.

[Sever82]

hasn't austin jackson's stock dropped quite a bit? that package seems kind of light, at least compared to what they were supposedly asking for.

 

I refer back to my comments earlier that the media has overhyped the yankees prospects, especially ESPN. So someone with no knowledge of their prospects might look at the deal and go... wow they're giving up jackson, he's one of the top prospects in baseball. I mean Jackson is a decent prospect but Ian Kennedy is garbage, so is Michael Dunn and Coke. Hopefully the Tigers aren't dumb enough to say yes. The cubs could offer a way better package that this and not include castro in the deal. I wouldn't be opposed to a Vitters, Jay Jack, Fuld and Marshall deal for him. Olney is reporting that the deal seems at a low right now and that only one team seems to be still trying which i assume are the Dbacks.

[Guancous]

FOX Sports has the Yankees, D'backs and Tigers potentially in on a three-way that would result in:

 

Yankees get Curtis Granderson, 1-2 Arizona prospects

D'backs get Edwin Jackson, Ian Kennedy

Tigers get Max Scherzer, Austin Jackson, one of Phil Coke/Michael Dunn

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=tsn-tigerstalkingjackson&prov=tsn&type=lgns

 

Ugh, that deal is horrible for the Diamondbacks. They better be receiving extra quality prospects if they're giving up Scherzer. His salary and team control probably makes him the most valuable player listed.

[fromthestretch]

FOX Sports has the Yankees, D'backs and Tigers potentially in on a three-way that would result in:

 

Yankees get Curtis Granderson, 1-2 Arizona prospects

D'backs get Edwin Jackson, Ian Kennedy

Tigers get Max Scherzer, Austin Jackson, one of Phil Coke/Michael Dunn

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=tsn-tigerstalkingjackson&prov=tsn&type=lgns

 

Ugh, that deal is horrible for the Diamondbacks. They better be receiving extra quality prospects if they're giving up Scherzer. His salary and team control probably makes him the most valuable player listed.

 

According to mlbtraderumors, the D'Backs are the ones that pushed FOR that trade.

[Sever82]

FOX Sports has the Yankees, D'backs and Tigers potentially in on a three-way that would result in:

 

Yankees get Curtis Granderson, 1-2 Arizona prospects

D'backs get Edwin Jackson, Ian Kennedy

Tigers get Max Scherzer, Austin Jackson, one of Phil Coke/Michael Dunn

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=tsn-tigerstalkingjackson&prov=tsn&type=lgns

 

Ugh, that deal is horrible for the Diamondbacks. They better be receiving extra quality prospects if they're giving up Scherzer. His salary and team control probably makes him the most valuable player listed.

 

According to mlbtraderumors, the D'Backs are the ones that pushed FOR that trade.

 

According to Buster Olney, the Yankees and Tigers backed away from that trade. Why the yankees backed out... i have no idea. Austin Jackson is top prospect for them but Ian Kennedy is the yankees version Samardijza and Jackson i dont think has had much praise to this point. Phil Coke and Michael Dunn are garbage in my opinion. If thats all the yankees would have to give up, i would do that in a second if i were them.

[Tyrant]

I refer back to my comments earlier that the media has overhyped the yankees prospects, especially ESPN. So someone with no knowledge of their prospects might look at the deal and go... wow they're giving up jackson, he's one of the top prospects in baseball.

 

Except the proposed deal would be made by major-league GMs, who presumably aren't swayed by ESPN's fleeting mentions of Yankees' prospects.

[Sever82]

I refer back to my comments earlier that the media has overhyped the yankees prospects, especially ESPN. So someone with no knowledge of their prospects might look at the deal and go... wow they're giving up jackson, he's one of the top prospects in baseball.

 

Except the proposed deal would be made by major-league GMs, who presumably aren't swayed by ESPN's fleeting mentions of Yankees' prospects.

 

Ehh i dont know about that. Look what happened with the Santana deal and how Gomez was suppose to be an elite young OF and we all know how average he is now. If the Bluejays trade Halladay to the Redsox, i will be that Bucholz is going to be a mediocre pitcher and not the supposed future ace that they paint him out to be.

[fromthestretch]

I refer back to my comments earlier that the media has overhyped the yankees prospects, especially ESPN. So someone with no knowledge of their prospects might look at the deal and go... wow they're giving up jackson, he's one of the top prospects in baseball.

 

Except the proposed deal would be made by major-league GMs, who presumably aren't swayed by ESPN's fleeting mentions of Yankees' prospects.

 

Ehh i dont know about that. Look what happened with the Santana deal and how Gomez was suppose to be an elite young OF and we all know how average he is now. If the Bluejays trade Halladay to the Redsox, i will be that Bucholz is going to be a mediocre pitcher and not the supposed future ace that they paint him out to be.

 

His command has hurt him at the Major League level so far, but he certainly has the stuff to be a good starting pitcher.

[Tyrant]

I refer back to my comments earlier that the media has overhyped the yankees prospects, especially ESPN. So someone with no knowledge of their prospects might look at the deal and go... wow they're giving up jackson, he's one of the top prospects in baseball.

 

Except the proposed deal would be made by major-league GMs, who presumably aren't swayed by ESPN's fleeting mentions of Yankees' prospects.

 

Ehh i dont know about that. Look what happened with the Santana deal and how Gomez was suppose to be an elite young OF and we all know how average he is now. If the Bluejays trade Halladay to the Redsox, i will be that Bucholz is going to be a mediocre pitcher and not the supposed future ace that they paint him out to be.

 

Okay.

[Sever82]

Looks like Granderson is pretty much a yankee now. Ed price tweeted that the Diamonbacks and Tigers have signed off on the deal and they're just waiting on the Yankees to sign off.

[SouthSideRyan]

FOX Sports has the Yankees, D'backs and Tigers potentially in on a three-way that would result in:

 

Yankees get Curtis Granderson, 1-2 Arizona prospects

D'backs get Edwin Jackson, Ian Kennedy

Tigers get Max Scherzer, Austin Jackson, one of Phil Coke/Michael Dunn

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=tsn-tigerstalkingjackson&prov=tsn&type=lgns

 

Ugh, that deal is horrible for the Diamondbacks. They better be receiving extra quality prospects if they're giving up Scherzer. His salary and team control probably makes him the most valuable player listed.

 

Agreed. I wouldn't trade Scherzer alone for Jackson and Kennedy.

[Schwarber Fan]

From Buster Olney: Source with knowledge of negotiations says Granderson deal is close to being completed.

[inari]

I was a bit scared of how much Hendry was going to pay anyway.

[XZero771679666304]

If this trade goes through, it all but ensures Cameron will be a Cub, IMO.

[Rob]

If this trade goes through, it all but ensures Cameron will be a Cub, IMO.

 

Yeah, the Yankees are the other primary bidder for his services.

[Sammy Sofa]

If this trade goes through, it all but ensures Cameron will be a Cub, IMO.

 

Good. I'd rather get Cameron.

[XZero771679666304]

If this trade goes through, it all but ensures Cameron will be a Cub, IMO.

 

Good. I'd rather get Cameron.

 

I agree. He's a solid player and won't come at the cost of top prospects.

[Sever82]

Time to close this thread, Heyman just tweeted its a done deal. All teams have signed off and med records are just pending. I'm done being a Cubs fan, Hendry really messed this up....... ha ha jk, i would've liked Granderson but deep inside i'm kind of glad we didnt trade Vitters, Cashner or any of our prospects for him. I think the way Hendry balked at including Castro in a deal kind of shows Ricketts might be serious about building the farm. Hopefully they sign Cameron or at least get a decent option for CF. From the looks of it, it doesn't look like the Cubs are going to acquire anything worth noting this offseason.

[Sammy Sofa]

Looking at the players involved I'm definitely glad the Cubs weren't in on this.

[Guest]

I can see the Yankees going after Cameron if they don't get Bay or Holliday or the like.