Bradley "never comfortable" playing at Wrigley

[imb]

can we get back to where erik throws all caps hissy fits every time a starting pitcher walks two batters in a row, yet is telling milton to grow up and act like a man?

[TruffleShuffle]

Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others!

 

YES

[erik316wttn]

Except for all of his teammates that loved him. Since ya know, he gives his all and tries to win every game.

 

Just seems odd that you can get all pissy and offended that Milton is complaining about the fans or the umps, oh grow up Milton, stop complaining Milton!!

 

How bout you grow up? How bout you stop complaining about how a guy carries himself? Why does it bother you that he's upset by fans not liking him? Why does it bother you that he gets pissed about a bad strike zone? Why does Milton have to be this virtuous individual and you can go on season over rants around the 2nd week of the season and do nothing but pout about virtually everything?

 

oh my god i love this post so much

 

love it so much my heart skipped a beat

 

I guess it's true what they say: Simple things please simple minds.

[erik316wttn]

can we get back to where erik throws all caps hissy fits every time a starting pitcher walks two batters in a row, yet is telling milton to grow up and act like a man?

 

Oh! Another scathing retort from IMB. I consider myself pwned. For I now see the error of my ways. I cannot be passionate about the Cubs and ever hope to achieve the maturity of IMB. For his month-long ban a few months ago has made him wiser.

 

Teach me, o great one. Maybe I can harass other posters via IM like you did. Perhaps that'll make me as cool as you.

[hawkeyecub]

And after he just made that "keep talking" gesture after crossing home plate tonight this topic won't be going away.

 

I like Milton. I think he's a little unbalanced, overly sensitive and plays the victim too often. But he plays hard, is a pretty smart player and always seemed to be well liked by teammates. Plus it's always good to throw a crazy a-hole into the mix of a bunch of nice guys.

 

Just realize that complaining about the fans and making a gesture like that will only make it worse for yourself with the fans and media. If you really don't give a [expletive], cool. But he obviously does.

[17 Seconds]

i gave milton the benefit of the doubt for a long time, but i'm done. there's a difference between "wearing your heart on your sleeve" and being a whiny bitch. right now, he's the latter.

 

he knew damn well when he sined with the cubs everything that came with it. if you sign a big contract and you don't perform up the expectations, you're going to get booed. you're not performing up to expectations, so you're getting booed. is that right? maybe not, but don't act like you weren't aware that this would happen.

 

his little gestures to the crowd are pathetic at this point. oh good job, you hit a meaningless home run to raise your OPS just over .800. sounds like a perfect time to say "yeah, i'm awesome now... why arent you booing me?"

 

hopefully this gets uglier and uglier over the next month so hendry will be forced to dump this joker off on his 24th team. i dont even care if he has to eat some money

[Flames24Rulz]

i gave milton the benefit of the doubt for a long time, but i'm done. there's a difference between "wearing your heart on your sleeve" and being a whiny bitch. right now, he's the latter.

 

he knew damn well when he sined with the cubs everything that came with it. if you sign a big contract and you don't perform up the expectations, you're going to get booed. you're not performing up to expectations, so you're getting booed. is that right? maybe not, but don't act like you weren't aware that this would happen.

 

his little gestures to the crowd are pathetic at this point. oh good job, you hit a meaningless home run to raise your OPS just over .800. sounds like a perfect time to say "yeah, i'm awesome now... why arent you booing me?"

 

hopefully this gets uglier and uglier over the next month so hendry will be forced to dump this joker off on his 24th team. i dont even care if he has to eat some money

 

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Let's dump Bradley at his lowest value and get junk in return.

 

I guess it wouldn't be a Cubs offseason if we shipped a guy off at his lowest value. You would think the organization and the fans would have learned their lesson the first 3 or 4 times its come back to bite us in the ass, but apparently not.

[17 Seconds]

i gave milton the benefit of the doubt for a long time, but i'm done. there's a difference between "wearing your heart on your sleeve" and being a whiny bitch. right now, he's the latter.

 

he knew damn well when he sined with the cubs everything that came with it. if you sign a big contract and you don't perform up the expectations, you're going to get booed. you're not performing up to expectations, so you're getting booed. is that right? maybe not, but don't act like you weren't aware that this would happen.

 

his little gestures to the crowd are pathetic at this point. oh good job, you hit a meaningless home run to raise your OPS just over .800. sounds like a perfect time to say "yeah, i'm awesome now... why arent you booing me?"

 

hopefully this gets uglier and uglier over the next month so hendry will be forced to dump this joker off on his 24th team. i dont even care if he has to eat some money

 

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Let's dump Bradley at his lowest value and get junk in return.

 

Yes, it makes perfect sense to get rid of his remaining 20 million so we can spend that money on a better right fielder. It's not about getting anything in return. the return is getting back 20 million dollars of your poor investment.

 

Look at it this way. Let's say Bradley was a free agent this offseason. You have the choice of either giving him 2/20, or signing somebody else. That's what we're basically talking about right now. You'd give him 2/20? I wouldn't.

 

I guess it wouldn't be a Cubs offseason if we shipped a guy off at his lowest value. You would think the organization and the fans would have learned their lesson the first 3 or 4 times its come back to bite us in the ass, but apparently not.

 

Yeah, I'd be so pissed if we traded him, got a right fielder who actually hit next season, and then watched Bradley put up an .840 OPS for 400 at-bats on a different team next season. Man, that would SUCK.

Edited August 27, 2009 by 17 Seconds

[Rob]

Ladies and gentlemen, your list of 2010 FA Outfielders per Cots.

 

Bobby Abreu LAA

Garret Anderson ATL

Rick Ankiel STL

Rocco Baldelli BOS

Jason Bay BOS

Marlon Byrd TEX

Mike Cameron MIL

Frank Catalanotto TEX

Endy Chavez SEA

Coco Crisp * KC

Carl Crawford * TB

Johnny Damon NYY

David Dellucci TOR

Jermaine Dye * CWS

Darin Erstad HOU

Cliff Floyd SD

Ryan Freel BAL

Brian Giles SD

Ken Griffey Jr. SEA

Vladimir Guerrero LAA

Matt Holliday OAK

Geoff Jenkins * PHI

Reed Johnson CHC

Andruw Jones TEX

Austin Kearns * WAS

Hideki Matusi NYY

Jason Michaels CLE

Xavier Nady NYY

Magglio Ordonez * DET

Manny Ramirez * LAD

Dave Roberts SF

Gary Sheffield DET

Randy Winn SF

[Flames24Rulz]

i gave milton the benefit of the doubt for a long time, but i'm done. there's a difference between "wearing your heart on your sleeve" and being a whiny bitch. right now, he's the latter.

 

he knew damn well when he sined with the cubs everything that came with it. if you sign a big contract and you don't perform up the expectations, you're going to get booed. you're not performing up to expectations, so you're getting booed. is that right? maybe not, but don't act like you weren't aware that this would happen.

 

his little gestures to the crowd are pathetic at this point. oh good job, you hit a meaningless home run to raise your OPS just over .800. sounds like a perfect time to say "yeah, i'm awesome now... why arent you booing me?"

 

hopefully this gets uglier and uglier over the next month so hendry will be forced to dump this joker off on his 24th team. i dont even care if he has to eat some money

 

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Let's dump Bradley at his lowest value and get junk in return.

 

Yes, it makes perfect sense to get rid of his remaining 20 million so we can spend that money on a better right fielder. It's not about getting anything in return. the return is getting back 20 million dollars of your poor investment.

 

Look at it this way. Let's say Bradley was a free agent this offseason. You have the choice of either giving him 2/20, or signing somebody else. That's what we're basically talking about right now. You'd give him 2/20? I wouldn't.

 

Those cost-cutting moves sure worked wonders for us this past offseason.

 

Hate him all you want, but he's going to rebound next year. I just hope he's still with us when that happens.

[TruffleShuffle]

yeah this "trade him for nothing and eat some money in the process" is a fantastic way to improve your baseball team.

 

i wish sometimes he'd shut the hell up and stop being a d-bag to the fans and media, but he's not a bad player and you can win with these types of players as long as you have the proper management to keep them at least a little bit in line.

[Flames24Rulz]

i gave milton the benefit of the doubt for a long time, but i'm done. there's a difference between "wearing your heart on your sleeve" and being a whiny bitch. right now, he's the latter.

 

he knew damn well when he sined with the cubs everything that came with it. if you sign a big contract and you don't perform up the expectations, you're going to get booed. you're not performing up to expectations, so you're getting booed. is that right? maybe not, but don't act like you weren't aware that this would happen.

 

his little gestures to the crowd are pathetic at this point. oh good job, you hit a meaningless home run to raise your OPS just over .800. sounds like a perfect time to say "yeah, i'm awesome now... why arent you booing me?"

 

hopefully this gets uglier and uglier over the next month so hendry will be forced to dump this joker off on his 24th team. i dont even care if he has to eat some money

 

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Let's dump Bradley at his lowest value and get junk in return.

 

Yes, it makes perfect sense to get rid of his remaining 20 million so we can spend that money on a better right fielder. It's not about getting anything in return. the return is getting back 20 million dollars of your poor investment.

 

Look at it this way. Let's say Bradley was a free agent this offseason. You have the choice of either giving him 2/20, or signing somebody else. That's what we're basically talking about right now. You'd give him 2/20? I wouldn't.

 

I guess it wouldn't be a Cubs offseason if we shipped a guy off at his lowest value. You would think the organization and the fans would have learned their lesson the first 3 or 4 times its come back to bite us in the ass, but apparently not.

 

Yeah, I'd be so pissed if we traded him, got a right fielder who actually hit next season, and then watched Bradley put up an .840 OPS for 400 at-bats on a different team next season. Man, that would SUCK.

 

Who's the RF that's going to replace him? Rule out all of the good FA outfielders because they're not going to be able to sign guys like Holliday or Bay. This should be interesting.

[17 Seconds]

i gave milton the benefit of the doubt for a long time, but i'm done. there's a difference between "wearing your heart on your sleeve" and being a whiny bitch. right now, he's the latter.

 

he knew damn well when he sined with the cubs everything that came with it. if you sign a big contract and you don't perform up the expectations, you're going to get booed. you're not performing up to expectations, so you're getting booed. is that right? maybe not, but don't act like you weren't aware that this would happen.

 

his little gestures to the crowd are pathetic at this point. oh good job, you hit a meaningless home run to raise your OPS just over .800. sounds like a perfect time to say "yeah, i'm awesome now... why arent you booing me?"

 

hopefully this gets uglier and uglier over the next month so hendry will be forced to dump this joker off on his 24th team. i dont even care if he has to eat some money

 

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Let's dump Bradley at his lowest value and get junk in return.

 

Yes, it makes perfect sense to get rid of his remaining 20 million so we can spend that money on a better right fielder. It's not about getting anything in return. the return is getting back 20 million dollars of your poor investment.

 

Look at it this way. Let's say Bradley was a free agent this offseason. You have the choice of either giving him 2/20, or signing somebody else. That's what we're basically talking about right now. You'd give him 2/20? I wouldn't.

 

Those cost-cutting moves sure worked wonders for us this past offseason.

 

Hate him all you want, but he's going to rebound next year. I just hope he's still with us when that happens.

 

What is this based on? He's now been this low .800's OPS for 3 of the last 5 seasons. The odds are more in favor of him being that than being the great hitter he was for like 600 at-bats spread out over 07 and 08.

 

And I don't get the comparison to the cost cutting moves that have been made. Mark DeRosa was GOOD last year. Kerry Wood was GOOD last year. They were both worth what they were making. Bradley, despite the high OBP, has not been worth what he's making.

 

If somebody offered to take Soriano off our hands, would you say "no, he's at his lowest possible value right now!". No, of course you wouldn't. You'd be happy to get rid of the contract. I'd be happy to get rid of Bradley's contract.

 

Oh well, I guess I'm ridiculous for wanting a right fielder who can actually slug higher than .450

[17 Seconds]

i gave milton the benefit of the doubt for a long time, but i'm done. there's a difference between "wearing your heart on your sleeve" and being a whiny bitch. right now, he's the latter.

 

he knew damn well when he sined with the cubs everything that came with it. if you sign a big contract and you don't perform up the expectations, you're going to get booed. you're not performing up to expectations, so you're getting booed. is that right? maybe not, but don't act like you weren't aware that this would happen.

 

his little gestures to the crowd are pathetic at this point. oh good job, you hit a meaningless home run to raise your OPS just over .800. sounds like a perfect time to say "yeah, i'm awesome now... why arent you booing me?"

 

hopefully this gets uglier and uglier over the next month so hendry will be forced to dump this joker off on his 24th team. i dont even care if he has to eat some money

 

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Let's dump Bradley at his lowest value and get junk in return.

 

Yes, it makes perfect sense to get rid of his remaining 20 million so we can spend that money on a better right fielder. It's not about getting anything in return. the return is getting back 20 million dollars of your poor investment.

 

Look at it this way. Let's say Bradley was a free agent this offseason. You have the choice of either giving him 2/20, or signing somebody else. That's what we're basically talking about right now. You'd give him 2/20? I wouldn't.

 

I guess it wouldn't be a Cubs offseason if we shipped a guy off at his lowest value. You would think the organization and the fans would have learned their lesson the first 3 or 4 times its come back to bite us in the ass, but apparently not.

 

Yeah, I'd be so pissed if we traded him, got a right fielder who actually hit next season, and then watched Bradley put up an .840 OPS for 400 at-bats on a different team next season. Man, that would SUCK.

 

Who's the RF that's going to replace him? Rule out all of the good FA outfielders because they're not going to be able to sign guys like Holliday or Bay. This should be interesting.

 

You know you're allowed to make trades in major league baseball, right?

 

And how do you know they wouldn't have a chance at Holliday or Bay?

Edited August 27, 2009 by 17 Seconds

[imb]

can we get back to where erik throws all caps hissy fits every time a starting pitcher walks two batters in a row, yet is telling milton to grow up and act like a man?

 

Oh! Another scathing retort from IMB. I consider myself pwned. For I now see the error of my ways. I cannot be passionate about the Cubs and ever hope to achieve the maturity of IMB. For his month-long ban a few months ago has made him wiser.

 

Teach me, o great one. Maybe I can harass other posters via IM like you did. Perhaps that'll make me as cool as you.

 

well, you'll never be as cool as me, so you can toss that dream out the window right now. as far as "harassing posters via IM" that's not my style. your first paragraph was spot on, though.

 

Milton Bradley has been pretty much exactly what I expected. Actually he's been on the field more than i thought he would be. I wouldn't shed a tear if the cubs moved him in the offseason, though i think his treatment has been a little unnecessary to this point.

[Flames24Rulz]

i gave milton the benefit of the doubt for a long time, but i'm done. there's a difference between "wearing your heart on your sleeve" and being a whiny bitch. right now, he's the latter.

 

he knew damn well when he sined with the cubs everything that came with it. if you sign a big contract and you don't perform up the expectations, you're going to get booed. you're not performing up to expectations, so you're getting booed. is that right? maybe not, but don't act like you weren't aware that this would happen.

 

his little gestures to the crowd are pathetic at this point. oh good job, you hit a meaningless home run to raise your OPS just over .800. sounds like a perfect time to say "yeah, i'm awesome now... why arent you booing me?"

 

hopefully this gets uglier and uglier over the next month so hendry will be forced to dump this joker off on his 24th team. i dont even care if he has to eat some money

 

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Let's dump Bradley at his lowest value and get junk in return.

 

Yes, it makes perfect sense to get rid of his remaining 20 million so we can spend that money on a better right fielder. It's not about getting anything in return. the return is getting back 20 million dollars of your poor investment.

 

Look at it this way. Let's say Bradley was a free agent this offseason. You have the choice of either giving him 2/20, or signing somebody else. That's what we're basically talking about right now. You'd give him 2/20? I wouldn't.

 

Those cost-cutting moves sure worked wonders for us this past offseason.

 

Hate him all you want, but he's going to rebound next year. I just hope he's still with us when that happens.

 

What is this based on? He's now been this low .800's OPS for 3 of the last 5 seasons. The odds are more in favor of him being that than being the great hitter he was for like 600 at-bats spread out over 07 and 08.

 

And I don't get the comparison to the cost cutting moves that have been made. Mark DeRosa was GOOD last year. Kerry Wood was GOOD last year. They were both worth what they were making. Bradley, despite the high OBP, has not been worth what he's making.

 

If somebody offered to take Soriano off our hands, would you say "no, he's at his lowest possible value right now!". No, of course you wouldn't. You'd be happy to get rid of the contract. I'd be happy to get rid of Bradley's contract.

 

Oh well, I guess I'm ridiculous for wanting a right fielder who can actually slug higher than .450

 

Why did you compare Soriano's contract to Bradley's. Bradley has two years left on his while Soriano has five. Oh, and Soriano's only getting paid $8 million more a year than Bradley is.

 

Again, Bradley's slugging has sucked but I can't complain with a guy that has an OBP of .400.

[Flames24Rulz]

i gave milton the benefit of the doubt for a long time, but i'm done. there's a difference between "wearing your heart on your sleeve" and being a whiny bitch. right now, he's the latter.

 

he knew damn well when he sined with the cubs everything that came with it. if you sign a big contract and you don't perform up the expectations, you're going to get booed. you're not performing up to expectations, so you're getting booed. is that right? maybe not, but don't act like you weren't aware that this would happen.

 

his little gestures to the crowd are pathetic at this point. oh good job, you hit a meaningless home run to raise your OPS just over .800. sounds like a perfect time to say "yeah, i'm awesome now... why arent you booing me?"

 

hopefully this gets uglier and uglier over the next month so hendry will be forced to dump this joker off on his 24th team. i dont even care if he has to eat some money

 

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Let's dump Bradley at his lowest value and get junk in return.

 

Yes, it makes perfect sense to get rid of his remaining 20 million so we can spend that money on a better right fielder. It's not about getting anything in return. the return is getting back 20 million dollars of your poor investment.

 

Look at it this way. Let's say Bradley was a free agent this offseason. You have the choice of either giving him 2/20, or signing somebody else. That's what we're basically talking about right now. You'd give him 2/20? I wouldn't.

 

I guess it wouldn't be a Cubs offseason if we shipped a guy off at his lowest value. You would think the organization and the fans would have learned their lesson the first 3 or 4 times its come back to bite us in the ass, but apparently not.

 

Yeah, I'd be so pissed if we traded him, got a right fielder who actually hit next season, and then watched Bradley put up an .840 OPS for 400 at-bats on a different team next season. Man, that would SUCK.

 

Who's the RF that's going to replace him? Rule out all of the good FA outfielders because they're not going to be able to sign guys like Holliday or Bay. This should be interesting.

 

You know you're allowed to make trades in major league baseball, right?

 

And how do you know they wouldn't have a chance at Holliday or Bay?

 

You really think they'd spend $15 million/year on one of those two guys? The new ownership situation will help but I still don't think they're going to be gigantic spenders in the offseason.

 

And no, I had no idea that there were trades in baseball. What are those?

[Mark Priors Calves]

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=4423669

 

These quotes are from before Wednesday's game, Bradley elaborated on his Tuesday night comments about the "hatred" he feels at Wrigley.

 

"I'm talking about hatred, period. I'm talking about when I go to eat at a restaurant. I've got to listen to the waiters badmouthing me at another table, sitting in a restaurant. That's what I'm talking about. Everything."

 

"All I'm saying is I pray the game is nine innings, so I can go out there the least amount of time possible and go home,"

[TruffleShuffle]

You know you're allowed to make trades in major league baseball, right?

 

ok, so three questions:

1. Who's trading us a corner outfielder who's better than bradley?

2. What do we have to give up (in prospects) to get that player?

3. Is it really worth giving up very good prospects for what's likely to be a marginal improvement at the position?

 

And how do you know they wouldn't have a chance at Holliday or Bay?

 

because the cubs are already doling out 110M to 7 players in 2010, bay and holliday are going to want long term (probably at least 5 years) deals at something like 15M per and the cubs already have enough of those, and you've got teams with big resources (yankees, red sox, cardinals will pay to keep holliday) in the market for a corner outfielder. even in this magical world where we can trade bradley without eating salary, we are very unlikely to get a premier corner outfielder.

[imb]

I think the point is that you can live with Bradley's production for 10 million a season. It's not optimal, but if he's going to get on base 40% of the time, you can find him a spot. Hell, he's a perfect hitter for the 2-spot. Well, maybe not perfect, but he fits.

 

The problem is that Soriano is such a [expletive] black hole. The combination of passable Milton Bradley and awful Soriano, making a combined 28 million a year, is too much to overcome. And you can't move Soriano, so the only way to improve the OF short of Soriano remembering how to hit/getting healthy is to move Bradley and try to get lucky with an OF that can hit for power.

[17 Seconds]

Why did you compare Soriano's contract to Bradley's. Bradley has two years left on his while Soriano has five. Oh, and Soriano's only getting paid $8 million more a year than Bradley is.

 

Again, Bradley's slugging has sucked but I can't complain with a guy that has an OBP of .400.

 

Obviously Soriano and Bradley's contracts are different, but it's the same principle. You are saying it's stupid to get rid of guys if you are getting lowest possible value. It's not stupid if you'e doing it to simply rid yourself of a contract and open up that money to spend elsewhere. Trading bradley wouldn't be about getting anything in return. The return would come from what you spend that money on.

 

And yeah, I already said his OBP is very nice, but I'm sorry, a .400 slugging percentage just does not cut it for a corner outfielder making 10 million in my opinion.

[imb]

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=4423669

 

These quotes are from before Wednesday's game, Bradley elaborated on his Tuesday night comments about the "hatred" he feels at Wrigley.

 

"I'm talking about hatred, period. I'm talking about when I go to eat at a restaurant. I've got to listen to the waiters badmouthing me at another table, sitting in a restaurant. That's what I'm talking about. Everything."

 

"All I'm saying is I pray the game is nine innings, so I can go out there the least amount of time possible and go home,"

 

yikes, he's definitely trying to talk his way out of town.

[TruffleShuffle]

I think the point is that you can live with Bradley's production for 10 million a season. It's not optimal, but if he's going to get on base 40% of the time, you can find him a spot. Hell, he's a perfect hitter for the 2-spot. Well, maybe not perfect, but he fits.

 

The problem is that Soriano is such a [expletive] black hole. The combination of passable Milton Bradley and awful Soriano, making a combined 28 million a year, is too much to overcome. And you can't move Soriano, so the only way to improve the OF short of Soriano remembering how to hit/getting healthy is to move Bradley and try to get lucky with an OF that can hit for power.

 

yeah plus aramis got hurt with no reasonable backup to be found, fontenot tanked and soto either sucked or was hurt. that's a lot of bad production from a number of positions and we don't have a monster like pujols to carry the lineup.

[Andy]

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=4423669

 

These quotes are from before Wednesday's game, Bradley elaborated on his Tuesday night comments about the "hatred" he feels at Wrigley.

 

"I'm talking about hatred, period. I'm talking about when I go to eat at a restaurant. I've got to listen to the waiters badmouthing me at another table, sitting in a restaurant. That's what I'm talking about. Everything."

 

"All I'm saying is I pray the game is nine innings, so I can go out there the least amount of time possible and go home,"

For God's sake, Milton, just shut the hell up for a few days, will you?

[17 Seconds]

You know you're allowed to make trades in major league baseball, right?

 

ok, so three questions:

1. Who's trading us a corner outfielder who's better than bradley?

2. What do we have to give up (in prospects) to get that player?

3. Is it really worth giving up very good prospects for what's likely to be a marginal improvement at the position?

 

How am supposed to answer those questions if I don't know exactly who is available? There are almost always guys available. I'm not talking about a superstar. I'm talking about a good player who is cheaper than Bradley (money-wise), stays healthy, and isn't a headcase. And we have prospects to trade for these types of good-but-not-great players.

 

even in this magical world where we can trade bradley without eating salary, we are very unlikely to get a premier corner outfielder

 

Wait, so it would take a"magical world" for somebody to take on Bradley's contract without us eating salary? Then why are you acting like it would be so stupid to udmp off his contract?

 

Make up your mind. Is it a bad contract, or not?