Bradley "never comfortable" playing at Wrigley

[Sammys Boombox]

Everyone knew Jacque Jones would be bad when we signed him but we booed the living hell out of him.

 

Yeah but Jones was also a much more frustrating player, with his constant throws into the dirt, soriano-esque at-bats, and baserunning blunders. He seemed like a likeable guy, but not a likeable players. Burnitz kind of just sucked and was there.

 

plus, most of his boos came in 2007, when he was really crappy and well below expectations.

 

He was booed loudly in his third home game with the Cubs in 2006. A reason for a lack of boos in 2006 was general apathy due to the pathetic season. I don't know, I usually hate people who say crap like this but I think there's enough evidence out there that we can't outright dismiss the race issue. Note, I didn't say there is a race issue, but that it cannot be eliminated.

 

BTW, for a good white player booing example, one can always fall back on Todd Hundley

 

Lots of fans boo Bradley because:

1. They see him out there instead of DeRosa (the rebuilding plan this offseason was based around Bradley being left-handed).

2. He makes a lot more than DeRosa.

3. He is hitting below .260 with 11 HR and 34 RBI. (Most of them don't pay attention to OBP or OPS).

4. He sometimes makes horrible mental gaffs.

5. Whether times are good or bad he gets baited into saying something about the fans, never giving them a chance to back him.

6. The Cubs had sky-high expectations but are now struggling to stay above .500.

7. DeRosa and the Cardinals are waltzing to a division title.

 

His race has nothing to do with it. Sure there will be some idiots that say things, but the fans aren't booing him because he is black. Bradley is easy to dislike. Even if you like him you must admit that. Bradley is the player that the whole offseason plan of "getting more left-handed" was based upon. Last year the team won 97 games. This year they will not win 90. It's easy to say, "Milton is the problem. His signing made moves like Aaron Miles happen. We lost a clubhouse leader (DeRosa) and gained a clubhouse cancer (Bradley)."

[cubstitlelives]

Wait, you mean Aaron Heilman, Aaron Miles, Bob Howry, Todd Hundley, Kevin Gregg and Neil Cotts are not black? They have to be because Cubs fans are racists and only hard on the black peeps.

 

Milton, seriously, demand a trade. Take your .260 hitting, 11HR having, 34 RBI producing ass to a place like Toronto or Washington.

 

He's a POS.

 

Nothing like using batting average and RBI's to prove your point on how worthless a player is.

 

Unless you're joking, the Cubs didn't sign him for 30M to put those kind of worthless numbers up. His attitude and lack of production is why he is booed. Period and end of story.

[A-Cal]

Wait, you mean Aaron Heilman, Aaron Miles, Bob Howry, Todd Hundley, Kevin Gregg and Neil Cotts are not black? They have to be because Cubs fans are racists and only hard on the black peeps.

 

Milton, seriously, demand a trade. Take your .260 hitting, 11HR having, 34 RBI producing ass to a place like Toronto or Washington.

 

He's a POS.

 

Nothing like using batting average and RBI's to prove your point on how worthless a player is.

 

Unless you're joking, the Cubs didn't sign him for 30M to put those kind of worthless numbers up. His attitude and lack of production is why he is booed. Period and end of story.

 

i boo him because he pissed in my gas tank during spring training

[Halman]

 

Cubs fans are idiots.

 

This is correct.

 

If a guy debuts with the team with the kind of april and may bradley had, said player would never get out of the fans doghouse even if he posted Pujolian numbers the rest of the year.

[Sammys Boombox]

Wait, you mean Aaron Heilman, Aaron Miles, Bob Howry, Todd Hundley, Kevin Gregg and Neil Cotts are not black? They have to be because Cubs fans are racists and only hard on the black peeps.

 

Milton, seriously, demand a trade. Take your .260 hitting, 11HR having, 34 RBI producing ass to a place like Toronto or Washington.

 

He's a POS.

 

Nothing like using batting average and RBI's to prove your point on how worthless a player is.

 

I have to say that when the numbers are that low (34 RBI is real low for his position), they do help prove a point. It's not like he's comparing two players and trying to say one is better because he had a BA of 5 points higher and 10 more RBI.

[A-Cal]

 

Cubs fans are idiots.

 

This is correct.

 

If a guy debuts with the team with the kind of april and may bradley had, said player would never get out of the fans doghouse even if he posted Pujolian numbers the rest of the year.

 

really? damn cubs fans are idiots

[Sammys Boombox]

 

Cubs fans are idiots.

 

This is correct.

 

If a guy debuts with the team with the kind of april and may bradley had, said player would never get out of the fans doghouse even if he posted Pujolian numbers the rest of the year.

 

Wrong.

[Halman]

Wait, you mean Aaron Heilman, Aaron Miles, Bob Howry, Todd Hundley, Kevin Gregg and Neil Cotts are not black? They have to be because Cubs fans are racists and only hard on the black peeps.

 

Milton, seriously, demand a trade. Take your .260 hitting, 11HR having, 34 RBI producing ass to a place like Toronto or Washington.

 

He's a POS.

 

Nothing like using batting average and RBI's to prove your point on how worthless a player is.

 

Unless you're joking, the Cubs didn't sign him for 30M to put those kind of worthless numbers up. His attitude and lack of production is why he is booed. Period and end of story.

 

Bullspit. The fact he's replacing a player every trixie and doucheweasel loved despite the fact he was mediocre. Is why he's being booed.

[cubstitlelives]

Ryan Theriot has 13 more RBI than Bradley. :-$

[Derwood]

Ryan Theriot has 13 more RBI than Bradley. :-$

 

and Bradley's OPS is 45 points higher and his OPS+ is 13 points higher.

 

RBI? For real?

[Halman]

Ryan Theriot has 13 more RBI than Bradley. :-$

 

Andruw Jones has 7 less RBI's than Fukudome. BENCH him.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

nm Edited August 27, 2009 by CardsFanInChiTown

[Flames24Rulz]

Ryan Theriot has 13 more RBI than Bradley. :-$

 

Don't forget his batting average too! He's obviously a better player than Bradley is.

[cubstitlelives]

Ryan Theriot has 13 more RBI than Bradley. :-$

 

and Bradley's OPS is 45 points higher and his OPS+ is 13 points higher.

 

RBI? For real?

 

In this case, hell yes RBI. He was given that contract to be a middle of the order run producer. Yes, he gets on base, but if I were to tell you when Bradey signed his contract that Theriot would more than likely drive in more runs this season, out of the two hole, you would have said no chance.

 

Welcome to reality.

[cubstitlelives]

Ryan Theriot has 13 more RBI than Bradley. :-$

 

Don't forget his batting average too! He's obviously a better player than Bradley is.

 

You're CLEARLY misssing the point.

[Derwood]

reality is that RBI are a team stat more than an individual stat.

 

Theriot has 13 more RBI because (in part) he's had 35 more PA's with runners on base, and 28 more PA's with RISP.

[Geech]

I feel like I've stepped back in time 10 years. Stop citing RBI numbers, people.

 

Here's a stat that means something:

 

There are 26 RF in baseball with at least 300 PA. Bradley's .278 EqA, which does not include tonight's game, places him 15th out of 26. He's not a bad RF, he's currently middle of the pack and improving.

[Flames24Rulz]

Ryan Theriot has 13 more RBI than Bradley. :-$

 

Don't forget his batting average too! He's obviously a better player than Bradley is.

 

You're CLEARLY misssing the point.

 

Apparently I am. It's like fighting a lost cause though, so you can just live in your own little world where Milton Bradley is the antichrist and the reason why the Cubs aren't going to make the playoffs this year.

[cubstitlelives]

Ryan Theriot has 13 more RBI than Bradley. :-$

 

Don't forget his batting average too! He's obviously a better player than Bradley is.

 

You're CLEARLY misssing the point.

 

Apparently I am. It's like fighting a lost cause though, so you can just live in your own little world where Milton Bradley is the antichrist and the reason why the Cubs aren't going to make the playoffs this year.

 

And you go live in your little world and defend this idiot who mocks Cubs fans during his pathetic season. Smart logic there.

[imb]

if the rest of the team was carrying their weight, this wouldn't be an issue.

 

sure, bradley struggled out of the gate, but so did just about everyone else. If the whole team wasn't so mediocre, Bradley's bad start would have been less noticeable. We would be in a close race for first, and the fans would be all excited about how his bat is heating up. Everyone would be talking about how great his eye is and how amazing it is to have someone that gets on base at the rate he does.

 

instead, the entire team sucked, many have been worse than Bradley himself, but because he has a history and an attitude, he's the scape goat. It's sad, really. If everyone else would have done their part, he'd be a fan-favorite.

[davell]

Teams are most likely going to be tight with money again this offseason, making it very hard to deal Bradley without eating a decent amount of cash. I think we're stuck with him, whether we like it or not.(I'm kind of on the fence personally, because I think he'll probably be better next season) Is he worth 2-20 to another team? If all things are equal, I think that the answer is yes. But, with the constant negative attention he brings with him(some deserved and some not) who would actually WANT him at this point? I just don't see any teams taking on the headache in the long run.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

if the rest of the team was carrying their weight, this wouldn't be an issue.

 

sure, bradley struggled out of the gate, but so did just about everyone else. If the whole team wasn't so mediocre, Bradley's bad start would have been less noticeable. We would be in a close race for first, and the fans would be all excited about how his bat is heating up. Everyone would be talking about how great his eye is and how amazing it is to have someone that gets on base at the rate he does.

 

instead, the entire team sucked, many have been worse than Bradley himself, but because he has a history and an attitude, he's the scape goat. It's sad, really. If everyone else would have done their part, he'd be a fan-favorite.

You're CLEARLY missing the point.

[Sammys Boombox]

I think citing that he only has 34 RBI to this point is valid only because the number is SO low. Granted it would be higher if the guys in front of him were getting on base, so lets say he has 50 RBI instead. That's still disappointing. However, comparing players to each other based on the number of RBI they have produced is not a good argument.

[Geech]

I think citing that he only has 34 RBI to this point is valid only because the number is SO low. Granted it would be higher if the guys in front of him were getting on base, so lets say he has 50 RBI instead. That's still disappointing. However, comparing players to each other based on the number of RBI they have produced is not a good argument.

 

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. It's not at all valid because RBI is meaningless as an individual stat.

[Geech]

if the rest of the team was carrying their weight, this wouldn't be an issue.

 

sure, bradley struggled out of the gate, but so did just about everyone else. If the whole team wasn't so mediocre, Bradley's bad start would have been less noticeable. We would be in a close race for first, and the fans would be all excited about how his bat is heating up. Everyone would be talking about how great his eye is and how amazing it is to have someone that gets on base at the rate he does.

 

instead, the entire team sucked, many have been worse than Bradley himself, but because he has a history and an attitude, he's the scape goat. It's sad, really. If everyone else would have done their part, he'd be a fan-favorite.

 

This post hits the nail on the head. Using a real stat like .EqA shows that Bradley has not had a bad year for RF. If the team wasn't struggling so much right now, it would hardly be an issue.