Cards/A's discussing Holliday (Done)

[inari]

It depends how you define put over the top. I'd say there's a pretty reasonable chance that losing the .950 OPS that Walker put up as a Cardinal very well might have cost them a trip to the World Series. You never know, but it's not like he was just okay. He was simply awesome in a Cardinal uniform. If Holliday puts up a .950 OPS or anywhere close to it, I'd say that might just put St. Louis "over the top" in the division.

[RedFlash]

It depends how you define put over the top. I'd say there's a pretty reasonable chance that losing the .950 OPS that Walker put up as a Cardinal very well might have cost them a trip to the World Series. You never know, but it's not like he was just okay. He was simply awesome in a Cardinal uniform. If Holliday puts up a .950 OPS or anywhere close to it, I'd say that might just put St. Louis "over the top" in the division.

 

"Over the top" means winning a World Championship. Getting to the World Series means "reaching the top."

[inari]

I don't think it's fair to say there's any single acquisition that would have caused them to beat Boston that year. Larry Walker was a tremendously successful Cardinal who helped them win a pennant. However you define "over the top," he was absolutely outstanding as a Cardinal, and using him as an argument against Holliday simply doesn't work.

[SouthSideRyan]

Cards are stacked on offense now.

 

Do any of you people pay any attention to anything?

What seems to be the problem?

 

The Cardinals have had a below average offense on the season, and you believe Matt Holliday makes them stacked.

[XZero771679666304]

Cards are stacked on offense now.

 

Do any of you people pay any attention to anything?

What seems to be the problem?

 

The Cardinals have had a below average offense on the season, and you believe Matt Holliday makes them stacked.

 

Yeah, Holliday helps, but it doesn't turn them into a juggernaut by any stretch.

[YearofDaCubs]

Cards are stacked on offense now.

 

Do any of you people pay any attention to anything?

What seems to be the problem?

 

The Cardinals have had a below average offense on the season, and you believe Matt Holliday makes them stacked.

They also acquired DeRosa recently so it's not just Holliday.

[RedFlash]

I don't think it's fair to say there's any single acquisition that would have caused them to beat Boston that year. Larry Walker was a tremendously successful Cardinal who helped them win a pennant. However you define "over the top," he was absolutely outstanding as a Cardinal, and using him as an argument against Holliday simply doesn't work.

 

Again I realize Walker was good for the Cards when he was in the lineup. And yes if the Cards didn't "Pull a Cub" in the 2004 World Series, the Walker trade would had been viewed as a "over the top" move. But they didn't, thus as great of the move it was, it didn't put them over.

 

Holliday may put them over (coincidentally, both Holliday and Walker both played on teams that were utterly destroyed by the BoSox in the World Series) but if I was a betting man, I would bet against the Cards.

[Guest]

So assuming that Glaus comes back, their lineup could be

 

Rasmus CF

DeRosa 2B

Pujols 1B

Holliday LF

Ludwick RF

Glaus 3B

Molina C

Lugo SS

 

Damn, Tony wont have to mess around batting the pitcher 8th anymore. This could easily make them the best team in the NL.

 

Why do I believe there will be no one in the Cardinals camp saying they need to get more left handed next year.

[gflore34]

While its good move for the Cardinals it's not the slam dunk the acquisition of Halladay would have been.

[Sammy Sofa]

Cards are stacked on offense now.

 

Do any of you people pay any attention to anything?

What seems to be the problem?

 

The Cardinals have had a below average offense on the season, and you believe Matt Holliday makes them stacked.

They also acquired DeRosa recently so it's not just Holliday.

 

But Mark DeRosa is Mark DeRosa.

[A New Era]

As a Cubs fan, please guys stop trying to downplay this. You put Holliday back to back with Pujols, that's significant. I know all you Cubs fans are doing your best to downplay it. But you sound the same as all those Cardinal fans in those years when we made a big move by the deadline. It just sounds jealous and petty.

[Butterscup1679666578]

oh ok

[SouthSideRyan]

As a Cubs fan, please guys stop trying to downplay this. You put Holliday back to back with Pujols, that's significant. I know all you Cubs fans are doing your best to downplay it. But you sound the same as all those Cardinal fans in those years when we made a big move by the deadline. It just sounds jealous and petty.

 

Yeah I'll be a lunatic like everyone else.

[bcl412]

As a Cubs fan, please guys stop trying to downplay this. You put Holliday back to back with Pujols, that's significant. I know all you Cubs fans are doing your best to downplay it. But you sound the same as all those Cardinal fans in those years when we made a big move by the deadline. It just sounds jealous and petty.

 

Season Over.

 

(Pulls out shotgun and places it in mouth.)

[Sammy Sofa]

As a Cubs fan, please guys stop trying to downplay this. You put Holliday back to back with Pujols, that's significant. I know all you Cubs fans are doing your best to downplay it. But you sound the same as all those Cardinal fans in those years when we made a big move by the deadline. It just sounds jealous and petty.

 

OH GOD I'VE BEEN LIVING A LIE.

[BigSlick]

though it was scary that he went 4-5 in his debut, 2 of them were of the infield variety and one was a blooper

 

I'll hold my breath a little, but this doesn't bode well for us at all

[XZero771679666304]

As a Cubs fan, please guys stop trying to downplay this. You put Holliday back to back with Pujols, that's significant. I know all you Cubs fans are doing your best to downplay it. But you sound the same as all those Cardinal fans in those years when we made a big move by the deadline. It just sounds jealous and petty.

 

OH GOD I'VE BEEN LIVING A LIE.

 

We all have, apparently. It's going to take a collective effort to cope with this epiphany. I hope we're up to it.

[weis21]

I mean seriously guys, this is even considered "the lead" to ESPN's bottom line. It bumped Favre off - that's legit.

 

 

I bet he hits .800 from here on out. We're

 

O.

 

V.

 

A.

[RedFlash]

I'm not downplaying the significance the acquisition of Holliday has meant for the Cards, BUT I am also not shaking in the boots just because the Cards acquired Holliday. And I'm pretty sure the Cubs players are not saying, "Omigod the Cards got Holliday, we must quit because we have no shot now." Cubs fans keep saying it, and praying it finally comes true, but I actually like the Cubs starting lineup. If Soriano, Bradley, and Fontenot continue to build off what they have done the last week or so, I take the Cubs offense as a WHOLE over the Cardinals anyday. Nonetheless this should be a fun battle to the end.

[imb]

Matt Holliday is a singles hitting [expletive] outside of coors field, big deal.

[radarluv1]

pretty decent start for holliday

.541/.600/.946/1.546, with 9 XBH's in 37 ABs in 10 games.

best case scenario would be him doing well as the cards miss the playoffs, and he becomes way to expensive to sign here. although the locals think if they cheer loud enough he will stay for much less.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AskTTgRgBEdKH4I_HecvJgARvLYF?slug=jp-tendegrees080209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Little Slide Rooter]

pretty decent start for holliday

.541/.600/.946/1.546, with 9 XBH's in 37 ABs in 10 games.

best case scenario would be him doing well as the cards miss the playoffs, and he becomes way to expensive to sign here. although the locals think if they cheer loud enough he will stay for much less.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AskTTgRgBEdKH4I_HecvJgARvLYF?slug=jp-tendegrees080209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

Scott Boras could care less how much the fans cheer.

 

The whole thing reminds me of the Carlos Beltran/Astros situation. Carlos liked Houston. He wanted to play for a small market team. Didnt quite work out that way, did it?

Edited August 3, 2009 by Little Slide Rooter

[Banedon]

although the locals think if they cheer loud enough he will stay for much less.

 

That's so true. I have a Cardinal fan buddy (one that is actually reasonable knowledgable) that is convinced that Holliday is going to take less to sign with the Cards, even though he's said nothing to indicate that.

[radarluv1]

although the locals think if they cheer loud enough he will stay for much less.

 

That's so true. I have a Cardinal fan buddy (one that is actually reasonable knowledgable) that is convinced that Holliday is going to take less to sign with the Cards, even though he's said nothing to indicate that.

there was just like 3 calls in a row to the xm show on now to this effect. pretty delusional, very widespread here.

[NonProfitCow]

although the locals think if they cheer loud enough he will stay for much less.

 

That's so true. I have a Cardinal fan buddy (one that is actually reasonable knowledgable) that is convinced that Holliday is going to take less to sign with the Cards, even though he's said nothing to indicate that.

there was just like 3 calls in a row to the xm show on now to this effect. pretty delusional, very widespread here.

I don't think he would stay for less, but I think we're going to see players start declining New York and Boston offers and signing closer to true market value with other clubs, unless they are grossly overpaying. I think we've already been seeing a bit of it. I can't remember the last time the Yankees signed someone to a good contract.