Cards/A's discussing Holliday (Done)

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Sheffield

[XZero771679666304]

If Holliday keeps hitting like this, he's going to price himself out of STL. A few days ago I would have given the Cards a 90% chance of re-signing him. Now I'd call it 50/50, and dropping.

 

I didn't foresee him doing this well.

[RedFlash]

If Holliday keeps hitting like this, he's going to price himself out of STL. A few days ago I would have given the Cards a 90% chance of re-signing him. Now I'd call it 50/50, and dropping.

 

I didn't foresee him doing this well.

 

I mentioned this fact a couple of days ago. My ideal situation would be Holliday is superman for his stay in St. Louis, but the Cards miss the playoffs, and Holliday goes to a team like the Yankees or the Red Sox (where they would get two low picks, at most for Holliday, and neither player would be better then Brett Wallace). But who knows what will happen.

[XZero771679666304]

If Holliday keeps hitting like this, he's going to price himself out of STL. A few days ago I would have given the Cards a 90% chance of re-signing him. Now I'd call it 50/50, and dropping.

 

I didn't foresee him doing this well.

 

I mentioned this fact a couple of days ago. My ideal situation would be Holliday is superman for his stay in St. Louis, but the Cards miss the playoffs, and Holliday goes to a team like the Yankees or the Red Sox (where they would get two low picks, at most for Holliday, and neither player would be better then Brett Wallace). But who knows what will happen.

 

I think the Texas teams could be dark horses. How about a Cruz/Hamilton/Holliday OF in Arlington? Yikes. The Rangers have money coming off the books, and could make a run at Halladay as well.

[Keener98]

If Holliday keeps hitting like this, he's going to price himself out of STL. A few days ago I would have given the Cards a 90% chance of re-signing him. Now I'd call it 50/50, and dropping.

 

I didn't foresee him doing this well.

 

I mentioned this fact a couple of days ago. My ideal situation would be Holliday is superman for his stay in St. Louis, but the Cards miss the playoffs, and Holliday goes to a team like the Yankees or the Red Sox (where they would get two low picks, at most for Holliday, and neither player would be better then Brett Wallace). But who knows what will happen.

 

I think the Texas teams could be dark horses. How about a Cruz/Hamilton/Holliday OF in Arlington? Yikes. The Rangers have money coming off the books, and could make a run at Halladay as well.

 

The Rangers may have money coming off the books, but didnt they also need MLB to help them financially this year?

[XZero771679666304]

If Holliday keeps hitting like this, he's going to price himself out of STL. A few days ago I would have given the Cards a 90% chance of re-signing him. Now I'd call it 50/50, and dropping.

 

I didn't foresee him doing this well.

 

I mentioned this fact a couple of days ago. My ideal situation would be Holliday is superman for his stay in St. Louis, but the Cards miss the playoffs, and Holliday goes to a team like the Yankees or the Red Sox (where they would get two low picks, at most for Holliday, and neither player would be better then Brett Wallace). But who knows what will happen.

 

I think the Texas teams could be dark horses. How about a Cruz/Hamilton/Holliday OF in Arlington? Yikes. The Rangers have money coming off the books, and could make a run at Halladay as well.

 

The Rangers may have money coming off the books, but didnt they also need MLB to help them financially this year?

 

If they did, I hadn't heard. They seemed willing to take on Halladay's contract, so they must not be hurting too much.

 

I'm not familiar with the Rangers' financial situation other than their current payroll and past spending habits, so I may be way off here.

[Derwood]

I wouldn't be surprised AT ALL if Holliday re-signs with St. Louis. LaRussa sold McGwire and Rolen on extensions in the past, why couldn't he get Holliday to stay?

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

I wouldn't be surprised AT ALL if Holliday re-signs with St. Louis. LaRussa sold McGwire and Rolen on extensions in the past, why couldn't he get Holliday to stay?

 

Scott Boras.

[mul21]

I wouldn't be surprised AT ALL if Holliday re-signs with St. Louis. LaRussa sold McGwire and Rolen on extensions in the past, why couldn't he get Holliday to stay?

 

Because Pujols is due a huge payday after next year I believe. If they want to keep payroll reasonably close to where it is, they can't afford $15MM for Holliday, $18 MM for Pujols, $10MM for Carpenter and Lohse, an ever increasing price tag for Wainwright and keep a decent roster elsewhere. If he continues on his hot streak, I'm pretty sure he walks. They can probably keep DeRo, but even with the money they have coming off the books this year (Pineiro, Glaus, Green, etc.) they'll have a bunch of holes to fill and not a ton of money or ML ready prospect to fill them.

[Keener98]

If Holliday keeps hitting like this, he's going to price himself out of STL. A few days ago I would have given the Cards a 90% chance of re-signing him. Now I'd call it 50/50, and dropping.

 

I didn't foresee him doing this well.

 

I mentioned this fact a couple of days ago. My ideal situation would be Holliday is superman for his stay in St. Louis, but the Cards miss the playoffs, and Holliday goes to a team like the Yankees or the Red Sox (where they would get two low picks, at most for Holliday, and neither player would be better then Brett Wallace). But who knows what will happen.

 

I think the Texas teams could be dark horses. How about a Cruz/Hamilton/Holliday OF in Arlington? Yikes. The Rangers have money coming off the books, and could make a run at Halladay as well.

 

The Rangers may have money coming off the books, but didnt they also need MLB to help them financially this year?

 

If they did, I hadn't heard. They seemed willing to take on Halladay's contract, so they must not be hurting too much.

 

I'm not familiar with the Rangers' financial situation other than their current payroll and past spending habits, so I may be way off here.

 

Heres an article discussing the Rangers needing MLB help financially.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ge-rangershicks070209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Schwarber Fan]

I wouldn't be surprised AT ALL if Holliday re-signs with St. Louis. LaRussa sold McGwire and Rolen on extensions in the past, why couldn't he get Holliday to stay?

 

Because Pujols is due a huge payday after next year I believe. If they want to keep payroll reasonably close to where it is, they can't afford $15MM for Holliday, $18 MM for Pujols, $10MM for Carpenter and Lohse, an ever increasing price tag for Wainwright and keep a decent roster elsewhere. If he continues on his hot streak, I'm pretty sure he walks. They can probably keep DeRo, but even with the money they have coming off the books this year (Pineiro, Glaus, Green, etc.) they'll have a bunch of holes to fill and not a ton of money or ML ready prospect to fill them.

 

We're talking about the Cardinals... they could bring in Felix Pie and Rich Hill and they'd put up MVP numbers regardless

[Guest]

The Mets were so desperate this year that they brought on an aging Sheffield. I see them making a big play for Holliday this offseason.

 

If that happens, I'm hoping that they're in the first 15 picks so the Cards don't even get a true 1st rounder in return. :D

[17 Seconds]

Didn't they get Sheffield for the league minimum as a planned bench player? That was no more a desperation move than when the Cubs picked up Edmonds last season or BJ Ryan this season. Plus Sheffield has like a high 800's OPS for the Mets this season.

[Guest]

Didn't they get Sheffield for the league minimum as a planned bench player? That was no more a desperation move than when the Cubs picked up Edmonds last season or BJ Ryan this season. Plus Sheffield has like a high 800's OPS for the Mets this season.

Fine...allow me to rephrase.

 

The Mets don't seem to have great answers at their corners for the foreseeable future and I could see them being big players for Holliday this offseason. The main point of the post still stands.

[NonProfitCow]

Didn't they get Sheffield for the league minimum as a planned bench player? That was no more a desperation move than when the Cubs picked up Edmonds last season or BJ Ryan this season. Plus Sheffield has like a high 800's OPS for the Mets this season.

They traded for Jeff Francouer. Think about that for a minute.

[Guest]

Didn't they get Sheffield for the league minimum as a planned bench player? That was no more a desperation move than when the Cubs picked up Edmonds last season or BJ Ryan this season. Plus Sheffield has like a high 800's OPS for the Mets this season.

They traded for Jeff Francouer. Think about that for a minute.

He knows their OF situation sucks. He just found an opportunity to criticize the exact example given, did so, and didn't comment about the main thrust of the post.

[Banedon]

although the locals think if they cheer loud enough he will stay for much less.

 

That's so true. I have a Cardinal fan buddy (one that is actually reasonable knowledgable) that is convinced that Holliday is going to take less to sign with the Cards, even though he's said nothing to indicate that.

there was just like 3 calls in a row to the xm show on now to this effect. pretty delusional, very widespread here.

I don't think he would stay for less, but I think we're going to see players start declining New York and Boston offers and signing closer to true market value with other clubs, unless they are grossly overpaying. I think we've already been seeing a bit of it. I can't remember the last time the Yankees signed someone to a good contract.

 

They Yankees have grossly overpaid for a long time though....Giambi, Rodriguez, and Texiera for examples. I'm not sure that's a big change.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't think he would stay for less, but I think we're going to see players start declining New York and Boston offers and signing closer to true market value with other clubs, unless they are grossly overpaying. I think we've already been seeing a bit of it. I can't remember the last time the Yankees signed someone to a good contract.

 

Why would we start seeing that now, at least in comparison to before? For as long as there has been free agency there have been guys who have decided they didn't want to play in NY. But by and large guys will follow the best offer.

[NonProfitCow]

I don't think he would stay for less, but I think we're going to see players start declining New York and Boston offers and signing closer to true market value with other clubs, unless they are grossly overpaying. I think we've already been seeing a bit of it. I can't remember the last time the Yankees signed someone to a good contract.

 

Why would we start seeing that now, at least in comparison to before? For as long as there has been free agency there have been guys who have decided they didn't want to play in NY. But by and large guys will follow the best offer.

I think we're going to start seeing Chicago and LA as more desirable FA destinations. Still a good chunk of money, good fanbase, contending teams, less drama. I think it's gotten to the point that NY and Boston are overpaying because they have to. Their offers that are better by a few million aren't getting the job done anymore. As long as media keeps getting bigger and bigger and more obtrusive, I can't see most normal players wanting to go there, unless they are absolutely overwhelmed.

[Banedon]

I think we're going to start seeing Chicago and LA as more desirable FA destinations. Still a good chunk of money, good fanbase, contending teams, less drama. I think it's gotten to the point that NY and Boston are overpaying because they have to. Their offers that are better by a few million aren't getting the job done anymore. As long as media keeps getting bigger and bigger and more obtrusive, I can't see most normal players wanting to go there, unless they are absolutely overwhelmed.

 

Do you have anything specific that makes you think this? It sounds like something you just decided was true with nothing to back it up.

[NonProfitCow]

I think we're going to start seeing Chicago and LA as more desirable FA destinations. Still a good chunk of money, good fanbase, contending teams, less drama. I think it's gotten to the point that NY and Boston are overpaying because they have to. Their offers that are better by a few million aren't getting the job done anymore. As long as media keeps getting bigger and bigger and more obtrusive, I can't see most normal players wanting to go there, unless they are absolutely overwhelmed.

 

Do you have anything specific that makes you think this? It sounds like something you just decided was true with nothing to back it up.

Pretty much just that when the Yankees sign someone, the rumored reports from other teams aren't even close. You hear about a few teams involved, with pretty similar offers, and then the Yankess sign the player 20 million more than reports. Look at AJ this past offseason. But yeah, I might be looking to much into it. Just a gut feeling with something that makes sense in my mind.

[Banedon]

I think we're going to start seeing Chicago and LA as more desirable FA destinations. Still a good chunk of money, good fanbase, contending teams, less drama. I think it's gotten to the point that NY and Boston are overpaying because they have to. Their offers that are better by a few million aren't getting the job done anymore. As long as media keeps getting bigger and bigger and more obtrusive, I can't see most normal players wanting to go there, unless they are absolutely overwhelmed.

 

Do you have anything specific that makes you think this? It sounds like something you just decided was true with nothing to back it up.

Pretty much just that when the Yankees sign someone, the rumored reports from other teams aren't even close. You hear about a few teams involved, with pretty similar offers, and then the Yankess sign the player 20 million more than reports. Look at AJ this past offseason. But yeah, I might be looking to much into it. Just a gut feeling with something that makes sense in my mind.

 

I don't remember ever seeing a number that the Braves offered to AJ, though I could have easily missed it. I admit, I didn't really follow the AJ signing that closely.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't think he would stay for less, but I think we're going to see players start declining New York and Boston offers and signing closer to true market value with other clubs, unless they are grossly overpaying. I think we've already been seeing a bit of it. I can't remember the last time the Yankees signed someone to a good contract.

 

Why would we start seeing that now, at least in comparison to before? For as long as there has been free agency there have been guys who have decided they didn't want to play in NY. But by and large guys will follow the best offer.

I think we're going to start seeing Chicago and LA as more desirable FA destinations. Still a good chunk of money, good fanbase, contending teams, less drama. I think it's gotten to the point that NY and Boston are overpaying because they have to. Their offers that are better by a few million aren't getting the job done anymore. As long as media keeps getting bigger and bigger and more obtrusive, I can't see most normal players wanting to go there, unless they are absolutely overwhelmed.

 

Who is turning down Boston? I've heard a handful of guys don't like the Yankees, like Griffey, but all-in-all players aren't avoiding them in droves.