DeRosa a Cardinal (p. 5) + DL'd (p. 13)

[Derwood]

The worst GM in MLB in case you ever wondered.

 

not remotely

[Little Slide Rooter]

I'm more upset about not getting DeRosa than I am the Cardinals actually getting him. Their rotation is almost as bad as Milwaukee's and the left side of their infield is still pretty bad. I think Glaus is still pretty far away from coming back and I'm confident that soon people like Joel Pineiro will realize they're Joel Pineiro.

 

Really?

 

Carpenter is far better than any pitcher on the Cubs

Wainwright is as good as any pitcher on the Cubs

Pineiro isn't as good, but is pitched as well as any pitcher on the Cubs

Lohse is hurt, but he's a a solid 3rd, good 4th starter

 

Wainwright would have the 4th best ERA on the Cubs. Carpenter would have the best ERA, but he's pitched a grand total of 65 innings. ow has Piniero pitched as well as any starter on the Cubs? Lshe is hurt? Go back to St. Louis.

Carpenter's resume is solidified. Nobody on your staff is even close

 

Wainwright over the last 3 seasons has been as good as any Cub starter, and this year he'd be second in VORP on the Cubs behind Lilly, who he is a much better pitcher than. Lilly is basically Kyle Lohse with a few more Ks, but more walks.

 

I didn't say Pineiro was a good pitcher, but he's having a very good season. You worry about Ks, I worry about HRs and BBs. And he's given up 12 walks in 92 innings. That's great. And he's given up 2 home runs. It wont last, but that's not what I argued.

 

Carp >>>>>>>> Zambrano

Wainwright > Harden (Should he even count? He doesn't even pitch and when he does, he's awful).

Lilly = Lohse

Dempster > Pineiro, but that's not saying much

Randy Wells? Marshall vs. Brad Thompson. Whatever, they all suck.

 

Go to sleep.

 

If every one of these guys is in top form and on the top of their game

 

Z=Carp

Harden>Wainwright

Lilly>Lohse

Dempster>Piniero

Wells/Marshall>The number 5 starter carousel equivelent of Blanco/Miles/Freel.

[XZero771679666304]

The worst GM in MLB in case you ever wondered.

 

not remotely

 

True, but Jim literally made all the wrong moves this year. Everything he did has backfired. And these were pretty much all moves that looked sketchy at the time they were made, as well.

[XZero771679666304]

I'm more upset about not getting DeRosa than I am the Cardinals actually getting him. Their rotation is almost as bad as Milwaukee's and the left side of their infield is still pretty bad. I think Glaus is still pretty far away from coming back and I'm confident that soon people like Joel Pineiro will realize they're Joel Pineiro.

 

Really?

 

Carpenter is far better than any pitcher on the Cubs

Wainwright is as good as any pitcher on the Cubs

Pineiro isn't as good, but is pitched as well as any pitcher on the Cubs

Lohse is hurt, but he's a a solid 3rd, good 4th starter

 

Wainwright would have the 4th best ERA on the Cubs. Carpenter would have the best ERA, but he's pitched a grand total of 65 innings. ow has Piniero pitched as well as any starter on the Cubs? Lshe is hurt? Go back to St. Louis.

Carpenter's resume is solidified. Nobody on your staff is even close

 

Wainwright over the last 3 seasons has been as good as any Cub starter, and this year he'd be second in VORP on the Cubs behind Lilly, who he is a much better pitcher than. Lilly is basically Kyle Lohse with a few more Ks, but more walks.

 

I didn't say Pineiro was a good pitcher, but he's having a very good season. You worry about Ks, I worry about HRs and BBs. And he's given up 12 walks in 92 innings. That's great. And he's given up 2 home runs. It wont last, but that's not what I argued.

 

Carp >>>>>>>> Zambrano

Wainwright > Harden (Should he even count? He doesn't even pitch and when he does, he's awful).

Lilly = Lohse

Dempster > Pineiro, but that's not saying much

Randy Wells? Marshall vs. Brad Thompson. Whatever, they all suck.

 

Go to sleep.

 

If every one of these guys is in top form and on the top of their game

 

Z=Carp

Harden>Wainwright

Lilly>Lohse

Dempster>Piniero

Wells/Marshall>The number 5 starter carousel equivelent of Blanco/Miles/Freel.

 

Don't bother. He won't listen, and saying that the Cards rotation is better than the Cubs isn't going to get any support outside of the STL anyway.

[sneakypower]

i hope the ptbnl is pujols

[A-Cal]

So basically, we could have had him for Jose Ascanio and a PTBNL. Or Kevin Hart and a PTBNL. or Justin Berg and a PTBNL.

 

(a) chris perez is better than the names you listed.

(b) i like how your PTBNL is just a five-letter asset that apparently does not differ from one team to another.

 

Screw that noise, Chris Perez is not better than Ascanio.

 

This is a good deal for the Cards, it sucks that it gives them another decent hitter.

 

Can't say I'm too upset from the "where were you Hendry?" angle though. Like was mentioned before, the only place they can really make any changes is at 2B, and I don't think Fontenot and DeRosa will be too different on an offense+defense basis going forward. If they traded for somebody like Clint Barmes(although I've been pushing for him since the offseason), I wouldn't complain though.

 

wha?

[Guest]

Just a horrible day for the Cubs all around. Those who say the pending sale is keeping us from making any moves are probably right. Unfortunately unless Ramirez comes back and catches fire right away this team isn't going anywhere. Bad offense, bad bullpen. Starting pitching is this team's strongest aspect which is not saying much considering the struggles of Dempster and Harden.

:-k

They're the best starting rotation in NL right now.

 

Really? Even after Lilly and Dempster's most recent starts? Imagine how good we'd be if Harden could get it going.

 

By ERA, the Cubs' starters are third in the NL with a 3.77 ERA. Only the Dodgers (3.73) and the Cardinals (3.76) are better.

 

OPS against, the Cubs are fourth with a .717, behind the Dodgers (.695), Braves (.708) and Cardinals (.712).

 

By WHIP, the Cubs are tops in the NL at 1.25. Cardinals are at 1.28, Braves at 1.29 and the Dodgers at 1.30.

 

Regardless, the Cubs are in the top three as far as starting staff goes.

 

I'm more upset about not getting DeRosa than I am the Cardinals actually getting him. Their rotation is almost as bad as Milwaukee's and the left side of their infield is still pretty bad. I think Glaus is still pretty far away from coming back and I'm confident that soon people like Joel Pineiro will realize they're Joel Pineiro.

 

Not exactly.

 

The Brewers are 13th, 15th and 14th, respectively in the above categories for starters in the NL. Philadelphia is the worst and Washington is basically on par with Milwaukee.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Can't say I'm too upset from the "where were you Hendry?" angle though. Like was mentioned before, the only place they can really make any changes is at 2B, and I don't think Fontenot and DeRosa will be too different on an offense+defense basis going forward. If they traded for somebody like Clint Barmes(although I've been pushing for him since the offseason), I wouldn't complain though.

 

wha?

 

Fontenot posted a +18 UZR last year and is +20 this year in about a month's worth of games at 2B. DeRosa has never put up a positive UZR at 2B and was nearly -16 last year, and hasn't played the position yet this season. With Fontenot seemingly likely to be 20 runs better per season with the glove, DeRosa needs to maintain a very high offensive output in conjuction with Fontenot being terrible with the bat in order to be a better value.

[JonJayCutler]

Can't say I'm too upset from the "where were you Hendry?" angle though. Like was mentioned before, the only place they can really make any changes is at 2B, and I don't think Fontenot and DeRosa will be too different on an offense+defense basis going forward. If they traded for somebody like Clint Barmes(although I've been pushing for him since the offseason), I wouldn't complain though.

 

wha?

 

Fontenot posted a +18 UZR last year and is +20 this year in about a month's worth of games at 2B. DeRosa has never put up a positive UZR at 2B and was nearly -16 last year, and hasn't played the position yet this season. With Fontenot seemingly likely to be 20 runs better per season with the glove, DeRosa needs to maintain a very high offensive output in conjuction with Fontenot being terrible with the bat in order to be a better value.

 

Wow. I had no idea Fontenot was that much better defensively. He doesn't seem like it.

[fasttrack21]

DeRosa is not in the starting lineup tonight, and was reportedly not on the field with the rest of the team during warmups/batting practice. Speculation is that he has been traded...

 

Winner

Wish I was wrong now.

[OleMissCub]

NO! Damn Cardinals!!!!

 

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[imb]

somebody get the [expletive] pirates on the phone

[treebird]

Can't say I'm too upset from the "where were you Hendry?" angle though. Like was mentioned before, the only place they can really make any changes is at 2B, and I don't think Fontenot and DeRosa will be too different on an offense+defense basis going forward. If they traded for somebody like Clint Barmes(although I've been pushing for him since the offseason), I wouldn't complain though.

 

wha?

 

Fontenot posted a +18 UZR last year and is +20 this year in about a month's worth of games at 2B. DeRosa has never put up a positive UZR at 2B and was nearly -16 last year, and hasn't played the position yet this season. With Fontenot seemingly likely to be 20 runs better per season with the glove, DeRosa needs to maintain a very high offensive output in conjuction with Fontenot being terrible with the bat in order to be a better value.

 

this is the sort of output that makes me think these numbers aren't very good. do you honestly think that fontenot is 20 runs a season better than derosa? that just seems absurd.

 

also, uzr has theriot as the fourth best defensive ss in the major leagues this season.

[OleMissCub]

Now I kinda know what creepy cardinals kid felt like. This really bothers me deep down.

[mhuber92211]

how does another team getting a former Cubs player make Jim Hendry terrible? Because he traded him to begin with or because he didn't reacquire him?

[SouthSideRyan]

Here's RedVerbs's expert analysis from last year:

 

None of the other potential wild card teams are better then the Cardinals. None. I know it hurts to see that, but it's the truth. When they are healthy, they have a 1-2 of Wainwright and Carpenter, they have Pujols, Ankiel (not great, but a lot of power), Ludwick (maybe fluky, but he always had a lot of potential for power. Look at his 90% mark on PECOTA), Glaus (Heating up, not great, has power), and probably Rasmus before September.

[BCVM22]

Because he traded him to begin with or because he didn't reacquire him?

 

Equal amounts of both, I think.

[Butterscup1679666578]

somebody get the [expletive] pirates on the phone

 

how many aramis's do they have left?

[Butterscup1679666578]

i hope the ptbnl is pujols

 

i like the way you think

[Larry Horse]

This is the absolute icing on the cake.

 

Congrats, Hendry. Now the Cubs division rival has acquired Mark DeRosa and you are stuck with Milton Bradley for 2+ years.

 

But I'm sure Milton is ready to turn over a new leaf. Worst case scenario meet the '09 Cubs.

 

I'm sure everything will be fine once Ramirez comes back.

 

Bring on Bourbonnais.

[Bixby]

I'm no longer a Cub fan until Jim Hendry and Lou Piniella are gone.

[Larry Horse]

BTW, are the Cubs planning on bringing up any of the three pitchers acquired in the DeRosa deal?

 

The bullpen could use some help.

[Andy]

Because he traded him to begin with or because he didn't reacquire him?

 

Equal amounts of both, I think.

More the first.

 

There is LITERALLY no reason whatsoever DeRosa should've been traded. None. Maybe if you were going to get a good return on him, it's an argument, but three minor league pitchers, unless at least two are pretty highly rated, is not a good return.

 

Now instead we have gotten less production out of LF, RF, 3B OR 2B than DeRo would've given us in any of those spots. I know we couldn't have predicted that Soriano would go into the tank for no reason or that Aramis would get hurt, but that's the fact of the matter. And it wasn't exactly a shock to find that Milton Bradley was a bit of a nutcase and gets hurt a lot. We could've signed Bobby Abreu for 1Y/5M (or a little more to outbid the Angels) and had more than enough left in the budget to keep DeRo. And, BTW, unlike Bradley, Abreu IS ACTUALLY A GOOD LEFTHANDED HITTER WHICH HENDRY WAS TRYING TO GET ALL ALONG.

 

And by the way, he's now going to be a key player in keeping us out of the playoffs.

[TruffleShuffle]

redverbs : objectivity :: jim hendry : general managing

 

by the way hendry might be the worst manager of all time. i'm not talking just baseball, i'm talking about everything. it's possible that nobody has ever managed anything as poorly as jim hendry has generally managed the cubs.

[Mike Aller]

redverbs : objectivity :: jim hendry : general managing

lol nice.

 

Oh and...sorry guys. I wouldn't have preferred it to go this way. But, then again, I wouldn't have preferred to be in last place either. :(