DeRosa a Cardinal (p. 5) + DL'd (p. 13)

[Backtobanks]

If it were a month ago, and Ramirez was 8 weeks from returning, maybe Id be inclined to trade Marshall for Dero, but as is, hes hopefully about 3 weeks from returning, so theres no point in giving up that much for him. Maybe id move a few smaller chips for Felipe Lopez at this point.

 

As I've posted before, I think Hendry is perfectly willing to ride out Ramirez' injury with current personnel and use his trade chips after assessing what the Cubs need and analyzing the moves made by other teams. The Cubs haven't hit diddly in the last month and are only 2 1/2 games back. If the Cards and/or the Brewers make a big move (Holliday, Peavy, etc.) and start to pull away, Hendry would be forced to pull off a big deal.

 

Hendry's history has typically been more reactive instead of proactive, wouldn't you say??

 

In other years he was very proactive, but then he had the money and a stable ownership situation. This year he might have the resources and permission to make only one deal, so he has to be very careful about the player, the cost, and the timing of the deal.

[davearm2]

I wouldn't either. If I felt comfortable that DeRosa would be a Type A player, I'd be willing to give more, but Jackson or Marshall would be too much for me.

 

How much value would guys like Tony Thomas and Tyler Colvin have? Maybe if Wells puts together a couple more very good starts, we could try something around him and one (or both) of Thomas or Colvin? I'd be far more willing to do something like that - especially if DeRo is able to work his way up to Type A status.

 

That trade would give the Indians a young pitcher with some upside (Wells), a young middle IF (Thomas) and/or a young outfielder with a little upside (Colvin) to add some depth in attempting to fill left field long-term. We then get DeRosa for half a season and then either a sandwich pick or a pair of first rounders.

DeRosa's Type A/B status is irrelevant to the discussion.

 

For one thing, the Cubs wouldn't have the $$$ to risk offering arb. See Wood, Kerry. With no significant money coming off the books after 2009, the situation won't be any better this winter than it was last winter.

 

For another, if arb was offered, DeRosa would accept. The free agent marketplace is so depressed that quality guys like Bobby Abreu, Adam Dunn and Orlando Hudson are having to settle for cheap 1 year deals, while the Pedros and Edmondses are unemployed. That situation also won't be any better this winter than it was last. Besides, DeRosa has said he loved playing for the Cubs. He'd jump at an arb offer from Hendry.

[dew1679666265]

DeRosa's Type A/B status is irrelevant to the discussion.

 

For one thing, the Cubs wouldn't have the $$$ to risk offering arb. See Wood, Kerry. With no significant money coming off the books after 2009, the situation won't be any better this winter than it was last winter.

 

For another, if arb was offered, DeRosa would accept. The free agent marketplace is so depressed that quality guys like Bobby Abreu, Adam Dunn and Orlando Hudson are having to settle for cheap 1 year deals, while the Pedros and Edmondses are unemployed. That situation also won't be any better this winter than it was last. Besides, DeRosa has said he loved playing for the Cubs. He'd jump at an arb offer from Hendry.

 

I can see that point. Things may improve in the free agency market in the next few months, but DeRosa won't get a long-term deal from anyone. He also doesn't have injury issues and won't be seeking a long-term, $14-18 million deal (like Hudson and Abreu/Dunn, respectively), so he's likely to be more attractive. Even still, I don't know if Hendry would offer arbitration with the intent of getting picks.

 

That's a good point.

[17 Seconds]

If it were a month ago, and Ramirez was 8 weeks from returning, maybe Id be inclined to trade Marshall for Dero, but as is, hes hopefully about 3 weeks from returning, so theres no point in giving up that much for him. Maybe id move a few smaller chips for Felipe Lopez at this point.

 

If Fontenot doesn't turn it around soon we'll probably be wanting a second baseman. Also Bradley will still be hurt a lot and DeRosa can fill in there instead of Hoffpauir.... who has been pretty crappy this season

[SCCubbieFAN]

DeRosa's Type A/B status is irrelevant to the discussion.

 

For one thing, the Cubs wouldn't have the $$$ to risk offering arb. See Wood, Kerry. With no significant money coming off the books after 2009, the situation won't be any better this winter than it was last winter.

 

For another, if arb was offered, DeRosa would accept. The free agent marketplace is so depressed that quality guys like Bobby Abreu, Adam Dunn and Orlando Hudson are having to settle for cheap 1 year deals, while the Pedros and Edmondses are unemployed. That situation also won't be any better this winter than it was last. Besides, DeRosa has said he loved playing for the Cubs. He'd jump at an arb offer from Hendry.

 

I can see that point. Things may improve in the free agency market in the next few months, but DeRosa won't get a long-term deal from anyone. He also doesn't have injury issues and won't be seeking a long-term, $14-18 million deal (like Hudson and Abreu/Dunn, respectively), so he's likely to be more attractive. Even still, I don't know if Hendry would offer arbitration with the intent of getting picks.

 

That's a good point.

 

Which begs two questions, what would DeRo likely get via arbi and is he worth it seeing how it would only be for 1 year?

[dew1679666265]

DeRosa's Type A/B status is irrelevant to the discussion.

 

For one thing, the Cubs wouldn't have the $$$ to risk offering arb. See Wood, Kerry. With no significant money coming off the books after 2009, the situation won't be any better this winter than it was last winter.

 

For another, if arb was offered, DeRosa would accept. The free agent marketplace is so depressed that quality guys like Bobby Abreu, Adam Dunn and Orlando Hudson are having to settle for cheap 1 year deals, while the Pedros and Edmondses are unemployed. That situation also won't be any better this winter than it was last. Besides, DeRosa has said he loved playing for the Cubs. He'd jump at an arb offer from Hendry.

 

I can see that point. Things may improve in the free agency market in the next few months, but DeRosa won't get a long-term deal from anyone. He also doesn't have injury issues and won't be seeking a long-term, $14-18 million deal (like Hudson and Abreu/Dunn, respectively), so he's likely to be more attractive. Even still, I don't know if Hendry would offer arbitration with the intent of getting picks.

 

That's a good point.

 

Which begs two questions, what would DeRo likely get via arbi and is he worth it seeing how it would only be for 1 year?

 

I don't know what he'd get, but it'd likely be more than he's making this year.

[JWCUB]

The Cubs have considered trying to reacquire Mark DeRosa.

They've also done some preliminary searching for a bat, but they're not sure where they'd play a new hitter so that gives the versatile DeRosa extra appeal.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&page=rumblings090625&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines

[RedFlash]

The Cubs have considered trying to reacquire Mark DeRosa.

They've also done some preliminary searching for a bat, but they're not sure where they'd play a new hitter so that gives the versatile DeRosa extra appeal.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&page=rumblings090625&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines

 

 

Reacquiring doesn't solve everything, but it put certain players back into roles they are better suited for. (ie Fontenot back as backup 2B).

[Little Slide Rooter]

The Cubs have considered trying to reacquire Mark DeRosa.

They've also done some preliminary searching for a bat, but they're not sure where they'd play a new hitter so that gives the versatile DeRosa extra appeal.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&page=rumblings090625&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines

 

 

Reacquiring doesn't solve everything, but it put certain players back into roles they are better suited for. (ie Fontenot back as backup 2B).

 

It solves a lot. If we have Fox at 3rd and DeRo at 2nd, were back to afromidable, be it very right handed offense.

 

Soriano LF

Theriot SS

Lee 1B

Bradley RF

DeRosa 2B

Fox 3B

Soto C

Fukudome CF

Pitcher

 

With this lineup, if they dont produce, its their own damn fault. Please ask what the damn Induians want and stop waiting around. The Brewers and Cardinals clealry have no interest in this division, and we need to strike now.

[Clem Fandango]

A little off topic, I haven't been able to watch any of the games lately, how does Fox look at 3B? Is he as big of a joke as everyone expected him to be?

[Arnold Layne]

If Fontenot doesn't turn it around soon we'll probably be wanting a second baseman. Also Bradley will still be hurt a lot and DeRosa can fill in there instead of Hoffpauir.... who has been pretty crappy this season

 

7 HR and 22 RBI in 131 at bats is crappy? Its not spectacular but it's better than most other Cubs.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Gregg, Miles, Stevens, Gaub, and Archer for DeRosa and Wood :thumbsup:

[Butterscup1679666578]

God damn Hendry you are stupid. This all could've been avoided.

[Little Slide Rooter]

God damn Hendry you are stupid. This all could've been avoided.

 

The problem isnt so much that it could have been avoided, its that it could be rectified sooner than later, but Hendry is being an idiot about it.

[17 Seconds]

If Fontenot doesn't turn it around soon we'll probably be wanting a second baseman. Also Bradley will still be hurt a lot and DeRosa can fill in there instead of Hoffpauir.... who has been pretty crappy this season

 

7 HR and 22 RBI in 131 at bats is crappy? Its not spectacular but it's better than most other Cubs.

 

you're going by home runs and rbi? he had like a .750 OPS when i posted that. so yeah, for a corner outfielder/1b, that's crappy

[dew1679666265]

If Fontenot doesn't turn it around soon we'll probably be wanting a second baseman. Also Bradley will still be hurt a lot and DeRosa can fill in there instead of Hoffpauir.... who has been pretty crappy this season

 

7 HR and 22 RBI in 131 at bats is crappy? Its not spectacular but it's better than most other Cubs.

 

Crappy is the wrong word, most definitely, but he's posted a .314 OBP this season and has a 30:9 K:BB ratio.

 

The power has been pretty good so far, though (.465 SLG, 7 HR), and he's been a pretty decent power bat off the bench.

[17 Seconds]

God damn Hendry you are stupid. This all could've been avoided.

 

The problem isnt so much that it could have been avoided, its that it could be rectified sooner than later, but Hendry is being an idiot about it.

 

The Indians are asking a ton for DeRosa right now because it's so early

[dew1679666265]

God damn Hendry you are stupid. This all could've been avoided.

 

The problem isnt so much that it could have been avoided, its that it could be rectified sooner than later, but Hendry is being an idiot about it.

 

Could it have been rectified sooner? What if Hendry inquired about DeRosa and found out the Indians wouldn't take less than, say, Jay Jackson and Randy Wells for him?

 

That's likely an exaggeration, but it's entirely possible Hendry would be open to bringing back DeRosa but is unable to right now (either due to lack of funds, not meeting Cleveland's demands, etc.).

[Little Slide Rooter]

Its hard to blame the Indians for putting such a high price tag on DeRosa. Theres a lot of teams in need of a player just like him who can play multiple positions and really hit the ball. Any GM who doesnt understand how valuable a player like that is has no business holding the job.

[Banedon]

It's a strange trade deadline when Mark Derosa is the top prize.

[Little Slide Rooter]

It's a strange trade deadline when Mark Derosa is the top prize.

 

Matt Hollidays probably the top prize. Jake Peavy and Eric Bedard are both in there as well, but is questionable if either will be available by then.

 

DeRosas appeal is his versatility, and the teams in need all need an infielder more than an outfielder, most notably the Cardinals(3B or 2B), Brewers(3B or 2B), Cubs(2B) and Mets(1B or 2B), and DeRosa can fill any of those.

[rocket]

If Fontenot doesn't turn it around soon we'll probably be wanting a second baseman. Also Bradley will still be hurt a lot and DeRosa can fill in there instead of Hoffpauir.... who has been pretty crappy this season

 

7 HR and 22 RBI in 131 at bats is crappy? Its not spectacular but it's better than most other Cubs.

 

you're going by home runs and rbi? he had like a .750 OPS when i posted that. so yeah, for a corner outfielder/1b, that's crappy

 

for a pinch hitter that's pretty damn good.

[Banedon]

It's a strange trade deadline when Mark Derosa is the top prize.

 

Matt Hollidays probably the top prize. Jake Peavy and Eric Bedard are both in there as well, but is questionable if either will be available by then.

 

DeRosas appeal is his versatility, and the teams in need all need an infielder more than an outfielder, most notably the Cardinals(3B or 2B), Brewers(3B or 2B), Cubs(2B) and Mets(1B or 2B), and DeRosa can fill any of those.

 

Ok, maybe top prize was the wrong term. But I think he's getting the most interest as far as number of teams pursuing him.

[Little Slide Rooter]

It's a strange trade deadline when Mark Derosa is the top prize.

 

Matt Hollidays probably the top prize. Jake Peavy and Eric Bedard are both in there as well, but is questionable if either will be available by then.

 

DeRosas appeal is his versatility, and the teams in need all need an infielder more than an outfielder, most notably the Cardinals(3B or 2B), Brewers(3B or 2B), Cubs(2B) and Mets(1B or 2B), and DeRosa can fill any of those.

 

Ok, maybe top prize was the wrong term. But I think he's getting the most interest as far as number of teams pursuing him.

 

Which is why The Cubs should have kept him around and understood his true value. I knew lasy year was a career year, but you also have to assume that hed try to do his best to capitilize on last years numbers with this being his contract year. Stupid Hendry.

[dew1679666265]

If Fontenot doesn't turn it around soon we'll probably be wanting a second baseman. Also Bradley will still be hurt a lot and DeRosa can fill in there instead of Hoffpauir.... who has been pretty crappy this season

 

7 HR and 22 RBI in 131 at bats is crappy? Its not spectacular but it's better than most other Cubs.

 

you're going by home runs and rbi? he had like a .750 OPS when i posted that. so yeah, for a corner outfielder/1b, that's crappy

 

for a pinch hitter that's pretty damn good.

 

His OBP is what's dragging down the OPS, but I'm pretty happy with a lefty power bat who's slugging .456.