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I agree. But to completely dismiss RBI's when comparing a player you traded to the player you traded him to acquire, is silly. I could easily make a strong case that DeRo has been significantly better without using RBI's in the conversation. I don't get the uproar with bringing it up. It isn't silly to dismiss RBI when comparing players. It's an awful stat. If you can prove Derosa was more valuable without RBI, then do it. It would make more sense. I'll simply refer you to check each player's BR page for evidence if you truly need to see it. I'm not doubting it, I just don't understand why you used RBI at all. Well, the original conversation originated with someone asking how long it's been since Milton has driven a run in. I merely answered that question, and the conversation transpired from there.

I agree. But to completely dismiss RBI's when comparing a player you traded to the player you traded him to acquire, is silly. I could easily make a strong case that DeRo has been significantly better without using RBI's in the conversation. I don't get the uproar with bringing it up. It isn't silly to dismiss RBI when comparing players. It's an awful stat. If you can prove Derosa was more valuable without RBI, then do it. It would make more sense. I'll simply refer you to check each player's BR page for evidence if you truly need to see it.

Okay, that's actually a good point when you explain it that way. Again though, it's not as if he's the one making draft decisions. He's hiring/employing the people who are, though, so ultimately it does fall under him. Although your ire should be directed elsewhere if your biggest issue is the draft. It's the snowball that keeps getting bigger because of the ineptitude that I have a problem with. The drafting has been terrible, which causes him to throw money at bad free agents because of the mistakes under his watch in the draft. I see what you're saying. But ultimately your problem is with the people that fall under Hendry on the org chart, not Hendry himself. Right? True. However, Hendry is the GM and he obviously has substantial say so as to the picks. How SOMEONE hasn't been canned with the state of the farm is beyond reason. Hendry's the boss, which means it falls in his lap. Not anymore he doesn't. That's my point. You can justifiably be upset with the direction the Cubs have gone in recent drafts. But Hendry has been next to hands off in recent years.

Not what I said, and you know it. If you refer back to page three you'll see that I said "making yourself look worse." Stop making things up. Again with the childlike retorts. Now you're going the semantics route. The point is that you got an attitude first and were basically insulting me without calling me naems, then you whine when I call you a name that shouldn't be even the slightest bit offensive anyways. You keep referring to me as being childish, but only a child should be upset about somebody calling them a name like "moron" on the internet. Get over yourself. God you're annoying. I'm not going down the semantics route, I'm simply telling you not to quote me (which you did) and make things up. It's pretty simple, really. Now can we please stop this childish conversation and get back to talking about the topic?

So you don't think there's been any kind of turnaround in the last 3 drafts?That remains to be seen. I am most impressed with Josh. But seriously, to have ONE PLAYER make any kind of impact in the last4-6 years is laughable. But several players have been traded for others that have made serious impacts... Ramirez, Lee, Harden, Nomar to an extent, etc.

Okay, that's actually a good point when you explain it that way. Again though, it's not as if he's the one making draft decisions. He's hiring/employing the people who are, though, so ultimately it does fall under him. Although your ire should be directed elsewhere if your biggest issue is the draft. It's the snowball that keeps getting bigger because of the ineptitude that I have a problem with. The drafting has been terrible, which causes him to throw money at bad free agents because of the mistakes under his watch in the draft. I see what you're saying. But ultimately your problem is with the people that fall under Hendry on the org chart, not Hendry himself. Right?

Not what I said, and you know it. If you refer back to page three you'll see that I said "making yourself look worse." Stop making things up. Again with the childlike retorts.

Then how come you're the one that everybody is making fun of? "Everybody is making fun of?" God, WTF is this? Recess in 3rd grade? Christ.

Again, reported. Seriously, why do you feel the need to be such an a-hole? Are you like this in real life or is this just some internet persona that you've created? Gesh. Edit: LOL at this... Clearly I'm not the only one who feels that you're out of line. You do realize that you started the a-holeish behavior, right? I mean, we can go back and look at the posts and find you saying things like "you shouldn't talk if you don't know what you're talking about", when really it was you that didn't know what you were talking about. Hypocrite. Umm, not once did I resort to childlike namecalling like you did. My comments were 100% related to the discussion at hand, whereas yours were not/continue to be not.

Okay, that's actually a good point when you explain it that way. Again though, it's not as if he's the one making draft decisions. He's hiring/employing the people who are, though, so ultimately it does fall under him. Although your ire should be directed elsewhere if your biggest issue is the draft.

Again, reported. Seriously, why do you feel the need to be such an a-hole? Are you like this in real life or is this just some internet persona that you've created? Gesh. Edit: LOL at this... Clearly I'm not the only one who feels that you're out of line.

I agree. But to completely dismiss RBI's when comparing a player you traded to the player you traded him to acquire, is silly. I could easily make a strong case that DeRo has been significantly better without using RBI's in the conversation. I don't get the uproar with bringing it up.

Well put. And agreed.

Moron?! There's no need to be an a-hole. It was an honest mistake. That post just got reported. Before your edit. Nice try though. So you repeatedly give me a bunch of attittude and say I shouldn't participate in the discussion because I don't know what I'm talking about, then I call you a moron when we find out that it was, in fact, YOU that was wrong... you report me? Nice dude I even deleted it right after I posted it because I figured you'd get all pissy about it In the future don't cop an attitude with people if you can't handle getting it back, especially when you're in the wrong Hey man, I'm all for a good baseball discussion -- even if it involves some attitude -- which is what this is/was. And I can admit when I was wrong, or when I made a mistake -- like I did. But when I'm talking to someone who resorts to calling me a moron, yeah, that kinda ticks me off. It's uncalled for, and it's just juvenile. And if you were some random guy at a bar that I struck up a conversation with (like I compare internet blogs/message boards to), trust me, you wouldn't say that to my face. Maybe you are a juvenile, I have no idea. But I didn't expect that kind of childish crap at "the place for discussion about the Chicago Cubs."

Ugh. No, he didn't. "Sold high" implies that you got max value for the guy. Hendry oculdn't even get a major league reliever for DeRosa. He did not sell high. The Indians just got a better package for him than the Cubs got. Umm, no. Sold high doesn't mean that at all. Sold high means that he traded that player when that player's value was higher than it's ever previously been. YOUR perceived value of DeRosa doesn't mean anything. Especially when we have evidence of what his actual value was -- three marginal prosects, and then a few months later, one fairly decent prospect.