College Basketball 2009-10

[Magnetic Curses]

how many of these games does illinois have to play before the big ten does something?

[Derwood]

i can't wait until we have good players.

 

wait, 2 years ago you were saying that these WOULD be the good players

[SouthSideRyan]

i can't wait until we have good players.

 

wait, 2 years ago you were saying that these WOULD be the good players

 

The only guy in this class Sulley has ever talked up was Brandon Paul, and I don't think he was really on him til his senior year. Next year's class is the one everyone's been hard over.

[Derwood]

i can't wait until we have good players.

 

wait, 2 years ago you were saying that these WOULD be the good players

 

The only guy in this class Sulley has ever talked up was Brandon Paul, and I don't think he was really on him til his senior year. Next year's class is the one everyone's been hard over.

 

So one more year for that class to not get any bounces and lose to chuckers? Can't wait

[bukie]

Really, though, the freshmen this year haven't been bad, they just haven't been as good as hoped for.

 

Paul looked good early but wore down as the season went along (and struggled when the level of competition ramped up). He'll adjust, and now likely stay 4 years instead of 1-2. He's prone to bad shots and bad passing, and didn't give much defensive effort early on, but has improved as the season has gone on.

 

Richardson is a good shooter, not as good passer. Probably the best freshman performance overall.

 

Griffey has looked good in spurts, but not sure why he doesn't get more play, especially with Davis struggling all year.

 

Plus, there's Bertrand, who never got to play this year due to injury.

 

Coupled with Richmond, Leonard and Head, it should be a good young core next year, if only one of them can become a good passer.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

i can't wait until we have good players.

 

wait, 2 years ago you were saying that these WOULD be the good players

 

We have good players, it's just there is still a lack of depth within the program. Weber effectively got nothing out of his recruits in 05, 06, and 08. You can't depend on freshmen to play well the entire season (unless they are super recruits), and Illinois has been an example of this.

[SouthSideRyan]

I will say I'd really like an '11 committment soon so I can have some sort of happiness. Cmon Shaw, just do it.

[Magnetic Curses]

i can't wait until we have good players.

 

wait, 2 years ago you were saying that these WOULD be the good players

 

no, i said that we'd have them eventually. i wasn't planning on a tourney bid this year. they're not good enough to win this young. the groundwork has been laid, though.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

i can't wait until we have good players.

 

wait, 2 years ago you were saying that these WOULD be the good players

 

no, i said that we'd have them eventually. i wasn't planning on a tourney bid this year. they're not good enough to win this young. the groundwork has been laid, though.

 

We should have never been in this position to begin with, and that is the thing that pisses me off the most about Mid Major Bruce. You can't miss on 3 of 4 recruiting classes. This goes beyond Eric Gordon, it goes to a total lack of talent and depth.

 

I do think we will be much improved next year, and now that McCamey has come back to earth, I think he will come back.

[fiver]

Fellow IU fans...what are your thoughts on Crean? Is this the guy that is going to get the program back to top 15-20 status? It's probably too early to tell. His '09 recruiting class was good enough, and the '11 class has potential, but he totally whiffed on the '10 class. If you only have 2 schollys to offer in '10, then you have to make those count when the program is in the shape it's in presently.

[gflore34]

i can't wait until we have good players.

 

wait, 2 years ago you were saying that these WOULD be the good players

 

no, i said that we'd have them eventually. i wasn't planning on a tourney bid this year. they're not good enough to win this young. the groundwork has been laid, though.

 

We should have never been in this position to begin with, and that is the thing that pisses me off the most about Mid Major Bruce. You can't miss on 3 of 4 recruiting classes. This goes beyond Eric Gordon, it goes to a total lack of talent and depth.

 

I do think we will be much improved next year, and now that McCamey has come back to earth, I think he will come back.

 

I believe quite the opposite, the playing time DJ, Paul and to a lesser extent Griffey are getting coupled with the return of Davis, Tisdale and McCamey alone is a formula for success. Add to it big time talent such as Richmond (5*, Burger Boy), Head and Leonard (4*) and next season' Illini are going to be loaded, I say beat 'em now while can. They won't get swept by Purdue, OSU and beat by the likes of Missouri, Bradley, etc. in 2011.

Edited March 3, 2010 by gflore34

[SouthSideRyan]

Hopefully Jeff Jordan decides to focus on his studies again.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

I agree, Illinois is now on the right track. But the last five years have been awful due to the complete lack of depth. That falls squarely on Weber. The fact he was able to make last years crap heap of 2 star rag tags into a 5 seed shows he can coach.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

Hopefully Jeff Jordan decides to focus on his studies again.

 

Pray McCamey comes back, otherwise we are going to see WAY too much JJ.

[soapy]

Fellow IU fans...what are your thoughts on Crean? Is this the guy that is going to get the program back to top 15-20 status? It's probably too early to tell. His '09 recruiting class was good enough, and the '11 class has potential, but he totally whiffed on the '10 class. If you only have 2 schollys to offer in '10, then you have to make those count when the program is in the shape it's in presently.

 

I support Crean. Can he get them back to top 15-20 status? Eh......I don't know. I think he is capable of making them into a program that is regularly (I don't mean every season) ranked in the top 25. I don't think they'll ever get back to the sort of success they had from the mid 70's to mid 90's though. I don't mean that as a knock on Crean. There probably isn't anybody out there capable of doing that and also willing to take on the job in it's current state. Basically, I think they did about as well as they could have hoped when they hired him given the circumstances.

 

The '11 and '12 classes are huge, particularly '12. I give him some leeway on '10, because he was still pretty far behind the curve on those guys. Picking up Abraham would help some with that, though I don't think it's really likely.

[Sosa21MVP]

Fellow IU fans...what are your thoughts on Crean? Is this the guy that is going to get the program back to top 15-20 status? It's probably too early to tell. His '09 recruiting class was good enough, and the '11 class has potential, but he totally whiffed on the '10 class. If you only have 2 schollys to offer in '10, then you have to make those count when the program is in the shape it's in presently.

 

I am not worried yet. I still support Crean. Yes I think he can get us back into the Top 20. The question in my mind is whether he could get us to elite status (Top 10, Final Four, etc) and I don't know that he will do that but we have to get the program back on its feet first and that is no easy task under the circumstances.

 

I think he has pursued some big names for 2010 and it has not been for lack of effort that no studs committed. Sheehey and Oladipo will give us more athleticism at the very least. Overall he was just behind on the 2010 class IMO because he had to bust tail in 2008 just to field a team then worked hard on the 2009 class........I think 2011, 2012 and so on are the classes where he has the normal amount of time to scout kids out, establish early relationships, etc so I do expect to land overall better quality recruits in the future.

 

2011-12 is the season where I think we could get back in the Top 25. That would be Crean's 4th season and we could actually have juniors/seniors as our core by then. Or it might take that 5th year, I dunno. I'm a little nervous about all the chatter currently about possible transfers this summer. :?

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

chatter currently about possible transfers this summer.

 

Care to mention any names?

[soapy]

chatter currently about possible transfers this summer.

 

Care to mention any names?

 

please don't. i'm depressed enough as it is.

[gflore34]

Hopefully Jeff Jordan decides to focus on his studies again.

 

Pray McCamey comes back, otherwise we are going to see WAY too much JJ.

 

I believe he'll come back it'll only improve his draft position. If he doesn't, I don't know if we'll necessarily see way too much of JJ. Weber values defense, if Paul improves or say, Richmond or Head play good D they'll get the minutes over JJ.

[Andy]

I don't think it's even remotely too much to expect IU to be consistently among the top 20. Look at what Matt Painter has done with Purdue, a team that had had much less recent success than IU has had and is/was certainly less well known among the casual fans. Granted he's only in season 4 but the last three years he has had Purdue consistently in the top 20. If they can do it, IU can certainly do it.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

Hopefully Jeff Jordan decides to focus on his studies again.

 

Pray McCamey comes back, otherwise we are going to see WAY too much JJ.

 

I believe he'll come back it'll only improve his draft position. If he doesn't, I don't know if we'll necessarily see way too much of JJ. Weber values defense, if Paul improves or say, Richmond or Head play good D they'll get the minutes over JJ.

 

And none of those players are ball handlers. Bertrand is apparently lacking in this area as well. Unless we take a PG for 2010 it'll be a lot of JJ.

[rawaction]

chatter currently about possible transfers this summer.

 

Care to mention any names?

 

please don't. i'm depressed enough as it is.

 

All I have heard is Derek Elston. Are there others?

[Magnetic Curses]

Hopefully Jeff Jordan decides to focus on his studies again.

 

Pray McCamey comes back, otherwise we are going to see WAY too much JJ.

 

I believe he'll come back it'll only improve his draft position. If he doesn't, I don't know if we'll necessarily see way too much of JJ. Weber values defense, if Paul improves or say, Richmond or Head play good D they'll get the minutes over JJ.

 

And none of those players are ball handlers. Bertrand is apparently lacking in this area as well. Unless we take a PG for 2010 it'll be a lot of JJ.

 

richmond might have to handle the point ala evan turner.

[soapy]

chatter currently about possible transfers this summer.

 

Care to mention any names?

 

please don't. i'm depressed enough as it is.

 

All I have heard is Derek Elston. Are there others?

 

I heard something about Watford, but I doubt it's anything. If that happens I'm going to lose my [expletive].

[mul21]

 

I believe he'll come back it'll only improve his draft position. If he doesn't, I don't know if we'll necessarily see way too much of JJ. Weber values defense, if Paul improves or say, Richmond or Head play good D they'll get the minutes over JJ.

 

And none of those players are ball handlers. Bertrand is apparently lacking in this area as well. Unless we take a PG for 2010 it'll be a lot of JJ.

 

I've heard just the opposite. From what I've seen it sounds like Bertrand, while not a true PG, has the best handles of any of the guys brought in this year. That could be wrong, but it ounded like he was going to get the backup PG minutes this year has he been healthy.