Milton Bradley Suspended 2 Games (Appealing Suspension)

[Keener98]

Whos to say Bradleys cap is the cap that iniated the contact.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Whos to say Bradleys cap is the cap that iniated the contact.

 

He shouldn't have been there arguing in the first place. If you don't go around the catcher, step back to the umpire and start yelling, in express violation of the rules, you don't have to worry about if your cap touches or not.

 

Following the soapdropping rules = no problems.

Edited April 18, 2009 by Hairyducked Idiot

[Keener98]

Whos to say Bradleys cap is the cap that iniated the contact.

 

He shouldn't have been there arguing in the first place. If you don't go around the catch, step back to the umpire and start yelling, in express violation of the rules, you don't have to worry about if your cap touches or not.

 

Following the soapdropping rules = no problems.

 

 

Get over yourself Mr Perfect

[blake61]

Do you honestly think umpires have Bradley on the same level of respect that say, Derek Jeter? Hes not going to get the benefit of the doubt with the umpires.

 

Wow...first, when an umpire makes a call, it doesn't just effect the batter, the pitcher has a pretty deeply rooted interest too (as well as both teams).

But obviously your aware of that.

 

Keeping that and your apparent view of an umps job, let me see if I can summarize your thoughts on what an umpire actually does before and during every pitch.

 

1st the ump sees who is pitching and decides just how much he likes/dislikes and respects that pitcher. Than he does the same for the batter. But, since he's not the only umpires on the field, he prolly needs to find out the like/dislike and respect factors that each of the other umpires has for each player.

That's prolly what the umpires do before the game.

 

Next the plate ump decides who should get screwed (&conversely helped) and waits for the pitch, which by your numbers would be coming in b/t 75-95 MPH, often times with incredible movement.

Then, if the pitch isn't obviously a ball or strike (something that is often impossible to determine from TV b/c the angle of the camera), the ump adds up all this info. and decides the pitch on his feeling is a split second.

 

Wow, I always just thought they were professionals (with a pretty great jobs actually) whose careers depended on 2 things, being accurate and impartial. And I just figured they relied on their years of training/experience with strike zones to make a split second decision.

Can't believe I overlooked all this other stuff. (Not to mention their jobs are a lot harder than I had thought...that's a lot of factors to judge in a split second, but I guess that's where years of training to get to this point comes in.)

 

Maybe I should reexamine my thoughts on who exactly is responsible for 9/11 and whether or not the Jews invented dinosaurs/fossils and scattered those fossils throughout the world in 1924.

 

Can't believe I have been this naive.

[Sammy Sofa]

the Jews invented dinosaurs/fossils and scattered those fossils throughout the world in 1924.

 

LULZ WHUT

[blake61]

the Jews invented dinosaurs/fossils and scattered those fossils throughout the world in 1924.

 

LULZ WHUT

 

It's an Arrested Development reference.

But I certainly apologize that offends anyone. Figured it was nonsensical enough to not ruffle any fathers.

[Guest]

Now you want to rustle up the fathers?

[Sammy Sofa]

the Jews invented dinosaurs/fossils and scattered those fossils throughout the world in 1924.

 

LULZ WHUT

 

It's an Arrested Development reference.

But I certainly apologize that offends anyone. Figured it was nonsensical enough to not ruffle any fathers.

 

I was just sort of blown away by the nonsensicalness.

[erik316wttn]

I agree it's a BS suspension, and I can see why Bradley would want to fight it, but I hope the team convinces him to just drop it and serve it when he's not 100% anyway.

[Soul]

I'm having a hard time understanding why Bradley doesn't just serve the suspension now when he's not really playing anyway.

 

Surely everyone, including Milton, knows that the suspension won't be dropped on appeal. If there was contact, then that's always been the rule. The league was probably giving him an out on this by making the ruling very quickly, so he could serve while still nursing an injury. By appealing, he's only going to wind up serving 2 games when he is otherwise healthy.

 

It just doesn't make any sense.

 

I'm kind of sick of this being the major Cub issue too -- especially when we just beat our most heated rival 2 times in a row on bombastic late-game heroics. And nobody even wants to talk about that. They just want to talk about this junk.

[Electron Blue]

If you touch the umpire, you've gotta go as far as I'm concerned. Incidental or not.

if the bill of your cap touches the bill of the umps cap?

 

Yes. You can't touch the ump. It's really a simple, hard and fast, reasonable rule.

 

he didn't touch the umpire. the bill of the cap that he was wearing touched the bill of the cap that the umpire was wearing.

 

Almost never post, but this just really bothered me. In the context of a baseball game, the player's clothing is an extension of that player.

That's why when a pitched ball catches the player's shirt(or the bill of the helmet), that player is still awarded the base. It's an HIB because the clothing is part of his body. Same reason you can tag a player out by grazing his shirt(or for that matter the bill of his hat). See Rule 5.09.

(And in case there's anyone out there not following, during a game, the Ump's cap is also part of his body by extension of this rule.)

 

So in the context of a baseball game, Bradley made contact with the ump. It's really that simple

I figured someone with over 30,000 posts would have watched enough baseball to know that rule, but you know what they say when you make an assumption.

 

As to this thread in general, there really can't be any doubt that the ump made that call because it was MB up there. Its just common sense.

If course whenever there's a player up to bat that has had as many problems with umps before (such as MB), the umps are clearly thinking "man if this pitch is anywhere near the zone, its a strike. This jerk player definitely needs to get screwed."

 

It would be foolish to think otherwise, its not like their reputation (and ultimately career) hinges on their impartiality.

 

And it is unbelievably easy to call balls and strikes at the major league level, how dare am umpire ever make a bad call.

Milton should have reacted the way he did, how else would we know that he 1. cares about winning, 2. is mad, 3. is a man, 4. is tough, and 5. that the ump got it wrong.

 

End Rant/

 

Careful with statements like the bolded one. Some might think it's a personal attack. And if nothing else, what does that line imply about a poster with only 12 posts and his supposed knowledge about baseball? ;)

[PackLandVA]

Maybe he's appealing because he doesn't mind the time off but doesn't want ot lose the $$$. Sounds logical to me.

[Vanilla Ice]

There will certainly be two more games where Bradley can't play at all. At least he could pinch-hit yesterday

[Keener98]

Well big surprise here...Josh Beckett has had his 6 game suspension reduced to 5 games, and now wont miss a start at all. Ill just about guarantee the same wont be said for Bradley, whos actions are a lot harder to tell what happened than Becketts. I hate MLB offices

[PackLandVA]

Suspending starting pitchers is a joke anyway. All it does is push back their starts a day or two. I think MLB should enact some sort of rule that forces a starter to miss a FULL turn in the rotation. Fine them the same amount you would normally fine them, but make the ball club actually skip them through the rotation.

[Soonernation]

Suspending starting pitchers is a joke anyway. All it does is push back their starts a day or two. I think MLB should enact some sort of rule that forces a starter to miss a FULL turn in the rotation. Fine them the same amount you would normally fine them, but make the ball club actually skip them through the rotation.

 

 

Instead of suspending a pitcher for 6 games, why not just make it 2 starts? Might make some of these guys think twice about throwing about batter's heads; Beckett is an idiot anyway :evil:

[ConstableRabbit]

I'm having a hard time understanding why Bradley doesn't just serve the suspension now when he's not really playing anyway.

 

Surely everyone, including Milton, knows that the suspension won't be dropped on appeal. If there was contact, then that's always been the rule. The league was probably giving him an out on this by making the ruling very quickly, so he could serve while still nursing an injury. By appealing, he's only going to wind up serving 2 games when he is otherwise healthy.

 

It just doesn't make any sense.

 

I'm kind of sick of this being the major Cub issue too -- especially when we just beat our most heated rival 2 times in a row on bombastic late-game heroics. And nobody even wants to talk about that. They just want to talk about this junk.

Maybe he doesn't want to make it seem like he's okay with the suspension. Maybe he's appealing it to prevent a precedent from being set for him.

 

I'd probably appeal it too -- his reputation isn't great, but this is one situation where he might have a case.

[Guest]

I'm having a hard time understanding why Bradley doesn't just serve the suspension now when he's not really playing anyway.

 

Surely everyone, including Milton, knows that the suspension won't be dropped on appeal. If there was contact, then that's always been the rule. The league was probably giving him an out on this by making the ruling very quickly, so he could serve while still nursing an injury. By appealing, he's only going to wind up serving 2 games when he is otherwise healthy.

 

It just doesn't make any sense.

 

I'm kind of sick of this being the major Cub issue too -- especially when we just beat our most heated rival 2 times in a row on bombastic late-game heroics. And nobody even wants to talk about that. They just want to talk about this junk.

Maybe he doesn't want to make it seem like he's okay with the suspension. Maybe he's appealing it to prevent a precedent from being set for him.

 

I'd probably appeal it too -- his reputation isn't great, but this is one situation where he might have a case.

 

People rarely get much from an appeal. A reduction in suspension time is about all you're likely to get. Just serve it and move on. I understand the concept of pleading your case, but how often do they cancel the suspension entirely?

 

Bradley missing two games while he is hurt is better than Bradley missing 1 or 2 games while he is healthy. Is it really worth making a statement when it will still cost you games you should be playing?

[jersey cubs fan]

People rarely get much from an appeal. A reduction in suspension time is about all you're likely to get. Just serve it and move on. I understand the concept of pleading your case, but how often do they cancel the suspension entirely?

 

Bradley missing two games while he is hurt is better than Bradley missing 1 or 2 games while he is healthy. Is it really worth making a statement when it will still cost you games you should be playing?

 

I think it's worth the money. Why should he hand over cash to MLB while being suspended? He could get it reduced to 1 game, and there's an outside shot he could have it completely overruled. Considering every previous suspension probably ways against you in future incidents, it's completely understandable why he'd want to fight it. Furthermore, Bradley is going to miss more games than these 2. He's also going to have to be rested at certain points. Why not push these 2 games to later in the year when he can use the rest and get some benefit out of it?

[steelywross]

"So in the context of a baseball game, Bradley made contact with the ump. It's really that simple

I figured someone with over 30,000 posts would have watched enough baseball to know that rule, but you know what they say when you make an assumption."

 

yeah, it makes an ass out of u and mption!

[jersey cubs fan]

Suspending starting pitchers is a joke anyway. All it does is push back their starts a day or two. I think MLB should enact some sort of rule that forces a starter to miss a FULL turn in the rotation. Fine them the same amount you would normally fine them, but make the ball club actually skip them through the rotation.

 

 

Instead of suspending a pitcher for 6 games, why not just make it 2 starts? Might make some of these guys think twice about throwing about batter's heads; Beckett is an idiot anyway :evil:

 

In order to really be 2 starts, it would have to be 11 games. But 6 games already affects their income. Guys don't like losing 6 days worth of pay.

[The Other 15]

I'm having a hard time understanding why Bradley doesn't just serve the suspension now when he's not really playing anyway.

 

Surely everyone, including Milton, knows that the suspension won't be dropped on appeal. If there was contact, then that's always been the rule. The league was probably giving him an out on this by making the ruling very quickly, so he could serve while still nursing an injury. By appealing, he's only going to wind up serving 2 games when he is otherwise healthy.

 

It just doesn't make any sense.

 

I'm kind of sick of this being the major Cub issue too -- especially when we just beat our most heated rival 2 times in a row on bombastic late-game heroics. And nobody even wants to talk about that. They just want to talk about this junk.

Or he can serve it when he will otherwise need off days anyways. It's not like there wont be a shortage of those.

[mjohnson71]

Could you imagine how long and boring games would be if everyone acted like Bradley?

 

Be a man, step out of the box, adjust something and mutter back to the ump about the cruddy call. Then step back in and make a hit. Don't spaz out like a 6 year old who didn't get their pony for Christmas.

[SouthSideRyan]

If I didn't watch the game, I woulda thought Bradley pulled a Dawson and threw the batrack on to the field from the way people are going on about it.

[jersey cubs fan]

Could you imagine how long and boring games would be if everyone acted like Bradley?

 

Be a man, step out of the box, adjust something and mutter back to the ump about the cruddy call. Then step back in and make a hit. Don't spaz out like a 6 year old who didn't get their pony for Christmas.

 

If he stepped back into the batter's box after being called out on strikes, I think people would have whined even more than they did. This "incident" took seconds.