Cubs/Cardinals Postgame 4/16/09

[cubswin2009]

The Cardinals bullpen just showed us what a real bullpen looks like and there's is abysmal. Ours is complete [expletive].

[rocket]

Soto looks awful. Sell high?

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

Thanks for the excellent bullpen you assembled JH. On a bright note it appears Kosuke has found somewhat of a powerstroke this year.

[Keener98]

[expletive] the ump Bout all that needs to be said

[SouthSideRyan]

Aaron Miles: 1-4

No Aaron Miles: 4-0

Edited April 16, 2009 by SouthSideRyan

[Keener98]

Soto looks awful. Sell high?

 

 

Let him back up Hill?AMIRITE?

[cubswin2009]

Kosuke, Aramis, and Soriano are the few bright spots on this team. Soto has sucked, Lee is terrible, Cotts needs to be DFA'ed ASAP, Miles needs to go back to St. Louis, Bradley has been awful, Fontenot started great but now is bad

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The Cubs bullpen now has an ERA of 3.92, a WHIP of 1.39, a K/9 of 9.75, and a BB/9 of 4.75. They're walking way too many people is the main problem, but those numbers don't paint a picture of disaster. They're even more influenced since we've played only 9 games and have had our starters throw a combined 8 innings the last 2 days meaning more work for the worst of the pen.

[Guest]

Aaron Miles: 1-4

No Aaron Miles: 4-0

 

At least we only play him in games where we are going to lose.

 

 

 

 

Oh wait.......

[UMFan83]

I posted this in the game thread, but if the majority of the discussion goes here, than I will put it here as well as it seems to be more postgamy anyways.

 

I am not panicking at all yet,nor should I or anyone be yet after 9 games, but there are some things not to like:

 

-Anyone who was worried about regressions from Soto, Fontenot and/or Bradley has had nothing to squash those thoughts. Fontenot especially is worrysome. If pitchers have figured out a way to get him out, and he can't make the adjustment, we have a major hole in 2B. Fontenot is useless if he's not hitting because he's not a good defender. We'd have to go shopping for a 2B at the deadline, and Hendry would have to take a pie in his face for gambling on the DeRosa trade.

-The bullpen was my chief concern coming into the season, and again there is nothing that has been shown to calm my fears. Not one reliever has stepped up and shown that he deserves to be in this pen besides Marmol. It's hard to get to Marmol when the offense isn't producing runs, and the starters arent going deep, and the early part of the pen is blowing games. Until they improve, they shall only be known as the "blowpen"

-Lou is really pissing me off with his hit and runs. It has been especially glaring this season because almost, if not everytime he's done this, its failed miserably. We can't keep running into stupid outs. We have a team that is build to walk, and hit for power. Why are we trying to take that extra base? It doesn't make sense. If we were some smallball team that lacked power I would be ok with it.

-And the least of my concerns, but still an issue is the lack of situational hitting. I can remember 4 times this year where we had a runner on third and 0 outs and couldn't score. Every team has these issues, but its been quite a glaring problem so far.

 

On the other side of the field, the Cardinals are starting to worry me. They seem to have even more hitters coming out of nowhere to be good this year, and their offense looks really really good overall. Their starters are meh, but at least put together quality starts often, and don't get blown up very often. Their bullpen is their biggest issue, but right now I'm not sure if they are worse than the Cubs pen.

 

I will start to worry if we still look this lacksidasical after 30-40 games.

[cubswin2009]

The Cubs bullpen now has an ERA of 3.92, a WHIP of 1.39, a K/9 of 9.75, and a BB/9 of 4.75. They're walking way too many people is the main problem, but those numbers don't paint a picture of disaster. They're even more influenced since we've played only 9 games and have had our starters throw a combined 8 innings the last 2 days meaning more work for the worst of the pen.

Take out Marmol and what is the ERA? 7.00?

[UMFan83]

The Cubs bullpen now has an ERA of 3.92, a WHIP of 1.39, a K/9 of 9.75, and a BB/9 of 4.75. They're walking way too many people is the main problem, but those numbers don't paint a picture of disaster. They're even more influenced since we've played only 9 games and have had our starters throw a combined 8 innings the last 2 days meaning more work for the worst of the pen.

 

Out of curiosity, what are those numbers without Marmol?

[abuck1220]

The Cubs bullpen now has an ERA of 3.92, a WHIP of 1.39, a K/9 of 9.75, and a BB/9 of 4.75. They're walking way too many people is the main problem, but those numbers don't paint a picture of disaster. They're even more influenced since we've played only 9 games and have had our starters throw a combined 8 innings the last 2 days meaning more work for the worst of the pen.

Take out Marmol and what is the ERA? 7.00?

 

marmol's not on the team anymore?????

[cubswin2009]

The Cubs bullpen now has an ERA of 3.92, a WHIP of 1.39, a K/9 of 9.75, and a BB/9 of 4.75. They're walking way too many people is the main problem, but those numbers don't paint a picture of disaster. They're even more influenced since we've played only 9 games and have had our starters throw a combined 8 innings the last 2 days meaning more work for the worst of the pen.

Take out Marmol and what is the ERA? 7.00?

 

marmol's not on the team anymore?????

It doesn't feel like we have a 3.92 ERA as a team. It seems like a reliever not named Marmol gives up a run every game they pitch in.

[UMFan83]

You can tell Lou is frustrated right now. 5 years ago, today would have been an explosion of Mount Lou.

[UMFan83]

The Cubs bullpen now has an ERA of 3.92, a WHIP of 1.39, a K/9 of 9.75, and a BB/9 of 4.75. They're walking way too many people is the main problem, but those numbers don't paint a picture of disaster. They're even more influenced since we've played only 9 games and have had our starters throw a combined 8 innings the last 2 days meaning more work for the worst of the pen.

Take out Marmol and what is the ERA? 7.00?

 

marmol's not on the team anymore?????

 

He definitely is (and if we get to the 8th with a lead sometime we'll even see him at some point). Marmol is not the problem. It's the rest of the bullpen that people think are ineffective. So cubswin wants to see how the rest of the bullpen is throwing so he can get an idea of just how ineffective the pen sans Marmol is.

[imb]

I will start to worry if we still look this lacksidasical after 30-40 games.

 

you won't last that long

[cubswin2009]

The Cubs bullpen now has an ERA of 3.92, a WHIP of 1.39, a K/9 of 9.75, and a BB/9 of 4.75. They're walking way too many people is the main problem, but those numbers don't paint a picture of disaster. They're even more influenced since we've played only 9 games and have had our starters throw a combined 8 innings the last 2 days meaning more work for the worst of the pen.

Take out Marmol and what is the ERA? 7.00?

 

marmol's not on the team anymore?????

 

He definitely is (and if we get to the 8th with a lead sometime we'll even see him at some point). Marmol is not the problem. It's the rest of the bullpen that people think are ineffective. So cubswin wants to see how the rest of the bullpen is throwing so he can get an idea of just how ineffective the pen sans Marmol is.

Exactly. I'm not worried about the offense yet since we got off to a slow start in 2007 and 2008 but the bullpen really concerns me especially since it was a major concern heading into the season.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The Cubs bullpen now has an ERA of 3.92, a WHIP of 1.39, a K/9 of 9.75, and a BB/9 of 4.75. They're walking way too many people is the main problem, but those numbers don't paint a picture of disaster. They're even more influenced since we've played only 9 games and have had our starters throw a combined 8 innings the last 2 days meaning more work for the worst of the pen.

 

Out of curiosity, what are those numbers without Marmol?

 

I'm very sorry, I forgot to click the relief split when I looked at the team page. Those are the team numbers without Marshall's start today.

 

Bullpen as a whole:

 

ERA: 3.77

WHIP: 1.41

K/9: 8.42

BB/9: 5.80

 

Without Marmol:

ERA: 4.44

WHIP: 1.52

K/9: 8.55

BB/9: 6.15

 

 

The same point remains, except the walk rates are even more flukishly high. The relievers need to throw more strikes, and I think there's little doubt they will do that. Our perceptions are colored by the 10 innings they've had to throw in the last 48 hours.

[SouthSideRyan]

The Cubs bullpen now has an ERA of 3.92, a WHIP of 1.39, a K/9 of 9.75, and a BB/9 of 4.75. They're walking way too many people is the main problem, but those numbers don't paint a picture of disaster. They're even more influenced since we've played only 9 games and have had our starters throw a combined 8 innings the last 2 days meaning more work for the worst of the pen.

Take out Marmol and what is the ERA? 7.00?

 

marmol's not on the team anymore?????

 

We traded him for a real RF.

[17 Seconds]

So far all of Hendry's offseason signings/trades have been trash. Gregg, Heilman, Miles, Bradley, Dempster...

[larhur]

I think the only to really worry about is DLee, the rest will be fine

[jersey cubs fan]

So far all of Hendry's offseason signings/trades have been trash. Gregg, Heilman, Miles, Bradley, Dempster...

 

Dempster and Heilman have been trash?

[UMFan83]

I will start to worry if we still look this lacksidasical after 30-40 games.

 

you won't last that long

 

Is that a challenge?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

-Anyone who was worried about regressions from Soto, Fontenot and/or Bradley has had nothing to squash those thoughts. Fontenot especially is worrysome. If pitchers have figured out a way to get him out, and he can't make the adjustment, we have a major hole in 2B. Fontenot is useless if he's not hitting because he's not a good defender. We'd have to go shopping for a 2B at the deadline, and Hendry would have to take a pie in his face for gambling on the DeRosa trade.

 

Fontenot has 39 PA's and has a .775 OPS with a .385 OBP(numbers rounded cause I closed the calculator window)

 

Bradley has had 25 PA's.

 

Soto has had 15 PA'S.

 

We haven't even played 10 games yet.