Pie traded to Baltimore for Olson and minor leaguer

[Post Count Padder]

The Chicago Tribune reports that Felix Pie, Rich Hill and Ronny Cedeno are each out of minor league options and "all three figure to be with different teams by the end of spring training."

That seems like a bit much, but clearly they'll be shopped. Pie was a top prospect not so long ago and has hit .300/.353/.478 in 281 games at Triple-A, yet the Cubs have soured on him after 260 poor at-bats through the age of 23. Cedeno held his own in a backup role last season and deserves a chance for regular playing time after hitting .357 with 18 homers and 17 steals in 140 games at Triple-A. And Hill looked like a long-term member of the rotation before falling apart last year. If the Cubs do indeed deal all three, they'll be selling low on an awful lot of talent.

Source: Chicago Tribune

[cubbinalltheway]

not exactly earth shattering news here. i think everyone who follows the cubs at least on a semi-regularly basis knows this.

[Post Count Padder]

not exactly earth shattering news here. i think everyone who follows the cubs at least on a semi-regularly basis knows this.

Yeah, I know. I just saw it so thought I'd post it.

[cubbinalltheway]

not exactly earth shattering news here. i think everyone who follows the cubs at least on a semi-regularly basis knows this.

Yeah, I know. I just saw it so thought I'd post it.

sorry, wasn't trying to imply that it shouldn't be posted! hope it didnt come off that way.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Unless the Peavy deal somehow magically happens, Im going to say we get next to nothing for them.

[mdwilla]

Garrett Olson for Pie was a rumor this offseason. Which would seem like a good return for Pie.

[RynoRules]

I dunno why people think Ronny is worth so much. He's pretty mych a utility IF'er at this point.

[rchap24]

Unless the Peavy deal somehow magically happens, Im going to say we get next to nothing for them.

 

Agreed...Your trading a 4th outfielder, a utility infielder, and a pitcher who can't throw a strike let alone pitch

[jersey cubs fan]

I dunno why people think Ronny is worth so much. He's pretty mych a utility IF'er at this point.

 

What makes you think people believe he's "worth so much."

[RynoRules]

I dunno why people think Ronny is worth so much. He's pretty mych a utility IF'er at this point.

 

What makes you think people believe he's "worth so much."

 

The "awful lot of talent" comment in the original quote. Of course, the author might have been referring to the total amount of talent between the three of them rather than their respective individual talent.

[jersey cubs fan]

I dunno why people think Ronny is worth so much. He's pretty mych a utility IF'er at this point.

 

What makes you think people believe he's "worth so much."

 

The "awful lot of talent" comment in the original quote. Of course, the author might have been referring to the total amount of talent between the three of them rather than their respective individual talent.

 

Well, it was one commentator's statement about trading three guys that do have considerable talent, but mixed/disappointing major league numbers to date. Not sure how that equates to people believing Cedeno is worth so much.

[Chuck_Cubs1]

We cant give up on thes guys mostly Pie! He has a fat bat and will be a big 30/30 player soon. Cedemo is better than Miles and Rich Hill IS an ACE. these fellows just need our support and prayers.

[umpunk]

We cant give up on thes guys mostly Pie! He has a fat bat and will be a big 30/30 player soon. Cedemo is better than Miles and Rich Hill IS an ACE. these fellows just need our support and prayers.

 

Other than you wanting it to be so, there is very little evidence that suggests "Cedemo" is better than Miles. Rich Hill had good stuff, but to just assume he is going to get his head on straight is a major, major gamble. Giving up on Pie might be a mistake depending on who we get back.

[apete6]

Unless the Peavy deal somehow magically happens, Im going to say we get next to nothing for them.

 

Agreed...Your trading a 4th outfielder, a utility infielder, and a pitcher who can't throw a strike let alone pitch

 

The problem is, think of the package we could have gotten for those 3 last offseason. We probably gotten Brian Roberts or anyone else along those lines.

 

Now, we'll get a whole lot of nothing. While our actual loss may be a 4th outfielder, utility man, and a guy who might be finished, our opportunity cost is much larger. A complete butchering of what were once very valuable (and sought after) assets.

[17 Seconds]

Unless the Peavy deal somehow magically happens, Im going to say we get next to nothing for them.

 

Agreed...Your trading a 4th outfielder, a utility infielder, and a pitcher who can't throw a strike let alone pitch

 

The problem is, think of the package we could have gotten for those 3 last offseason. We probably gotten Brian Roberts or anyone else along those lines.

 

Now, we'll get a whole lot of nothing. While our actual loss may be a 4th outfielder, utility man, and a guy who might be finished, our opportunity cost is much larger. A complete butchering of what were once very valuable (and sought after) assets.

 

butchering? more like bad luck. hindsight is 20/20. at the time, trading hill for roberts was a really bad move. there was no reason for hendry to think hill would completely meltdown.

[hankp101]

Hill can't have any trade value at this point. Everyone knows the Cubs won't keep him up with th ebig club, so the only hope is that he somehow turns a corner by spring and is able to put together a few good outings so they can get a bag of balls for him. Otherwise, I'm sure he'll be waived. Cedeno and Pie will certainly bring something, but it sucks to be selling low when they very well might have been capable of equalling or better the production of Miles and Gathright. If they were going to be traded it seems like it would have made more sense to do it before you had guys like Miles and Gathright, as now the other GMs all know you won't keep those two.

[haubrich91]

I wish Rich Hill never went into that struggle. Our rotation would be set right now, as to where we probably wouldn't be discussing Peavy.

 

Zambrano

Dempster

Lilly

Harden

Hill

 

...sigh.

[biittner77]

Lets say Hill comes to ST and has figured it out the Cubs can probably get something decent for him. If he comes back and remains terrible they can put him through waivers and hope that he clears. He's not young enough to be considered a prospect. If he's still walking 2 people per inning I doubt anyone will claim him on waivers since he'd have to be added to the 25 man roster. If he does get claimed it would be by a terrible team and hopefully one in the AL.

 

If the choise is trade him for nothing or try to clear him through waivers I'd take my chances on waivers.

[apete6]

Unless the Peavy deal somehow magically happens, Im going to say we get next to nothing for them.

 

Agreed...Your trading a 4th outfielder, a utility infielder, and a pitcher who can't throw a strike let alone pitch

 

The problem is, think of the package we could have gotten for those 3 last offseason. We probably gotten Brian Roberts or anyone else along those lines.

 

Now, we'll get a whole lot of nothing. While our actual loss may be a 4th outfielder, utility man, and a guy who might be finished, our opportunity cost is much larger. A complete butchering of what were once very valuable (and sought after) assets.

 

butchering? more like bad luck. hindsight is 20/20. at the time, trading hill for roberts was a really bad move. there was no reason for hendry to think hill would completely meltdown.

 

I'll buy you're Hill argument because I was against that too, but I'm not paid to make those decisions like Hendry. Heck, a lot of people wouldn't have traded Hill for Peavy last offseason had that scenario been presented. Hill was probably our best pitcher in 2007 (maybe Lilly). However, that would have been the very definition of selling high, something that Hendry hasn't done much of (except DeRosa, but he didn't really get anything for DeRosa).

 

However, what about the other 2, especially Pie? He has pretty much no value right now.

[17 Seconds]

Unless the Peavy deal somehow magically happens, Im going to say we get next to nothing for them.

 

Agreed...Your trading a 4th outfielder, a utility infielder, and a pitcher who can't throw a strike let alone pitch

 

The problem is, think of the package we could have gotten for those 3 last offseason. We probably gotten Brian Roberts or anyone else along those lines.

 

Now, we'll get a whole lot of nothing. While our actual loss may be a 4th outfielder, utility man, and a guy who might be finished, our opportunity cost is much larger. A complete butchering of what were once very valuable (and sought after) assets.

 

butchering? more like bad luck. hindsight is 20/20. at the time, trading hill for roberts was a really bad move. there was no reason for hendry to think hill would completely meltdown.

 

I'll buy you're Hill argument because I was against that too, but I'm not paid to make those decisions like Hendry. Heck, a lot of people wouldn't have traded Hill for Peavy last offseason had that scenario been presented. Hill was probably our best pitcher in 2007 (maybe Lilly). However, that would have been the very definition of selling high, something that Hendry hasn't done much of (except DeRosa, but he didn't really get anything for DeRosa).

 

However, what about the other 2, especially Pie? He has pretty much no value right now.

 

i don't think cedeno and pie really had that much value last offseason either. as for hill, it doesn't matter if he would have been "selling high". it would have been a bad trade at the time if he used him to get roberts. selling high doesn't real mean anything if you overpay. we "sold high" on derosa but we got a crappy deal, so who cares? you can't fault hendry for not trading hill. at the time it would have been really dumb and we all would have been flipping out (and rightfully so). the fact that he completely fell apart doesn't mean the front office screwed up. it means we got unlucky. not much you can do about that

 

think about how many times in the history of baseball somebody been able to say "man, we realllllly should have traded that guy last offseason when he had good value". it's part of the game. think about it from the other side. what if we had traded soto as a throw in for some mediocre player before the 2007 season? that would have been even worse than not getting anything for hill. it goes both ways

[Ski]

I remember when Cedeno was hot in April and I couldn't wait for him to come up to the plate.

[wekse]

We cant give up on thes guys mostly Pie! He has a fat bat and will be a big 30/30 player soon. Cedemo is better than Miles and Rich Hill IS an ACE. these fellows just need our support and prayers.

 

everybody, i'd like to introduce you to my new favorite poster(replacing rchap24)

 

if you can't get behind these words then i'm not your friend.

[Derwood]

I wish Rich Hill never went into that struggle. Our rotation would be set right now, as to where we probably wouldn't be discussing Peavy.

 

Zambrano

Dempster

Lilly

Harden

Hill

 

...sigh.

 

if Hill had been good last year, they never would have traded for Harden

[B]

I remember when Cedeno was hot in April and I couldn't wait for him to come up to the plate.

I can't ever remember wanting Cedeno at the plate.

[bcl412]

I remember when Cedeno was hot in April and I couldn't wait for him to come up to the plate.

I can't ever remember wanting Cedeno at the plate.

 

He hit a grand slam against the Mets and the next day he got a hit with the bases loaded. Up to that point he had some good AB's and it looked like he might have figured out how to hit a baseball. Then he remembered he was Ronny Cedeno.