Derosa to Indians for Jeff Stevens, Chris Archer, John Gaub

[CUBZ99]

Let's just wait and see how this transgresses...the offseason isn't over, so this has all sorts of possibilities.

 

I don't think that word means what you think it means...

 

Some people think these moves are trangressions.

 

As for Peavy, that situation is not directly related to any of these moves. As I blogged, the ownership situation has to sort itself out first.

 

Was DeRosa a cancer in the clubhouse or was there something behind the scenes we are not privy to? It seems pretty odd to move on of your better offensive players for 3 B- or C rated prospects.

[David]

Let's just wait and see how this transgresses...the offseason isn't over, so this has all sorts of possibilities.

 

I don't think that word means what you think it means...

 

Some people think these moves are trangressions.

 

As for Peavy, that situation is not directly related to any of these moves. As I blogged, the ownership situation has to sort itself out first.

 

Was DeRosa a cancer in the clubhouse or was there something behind the scenes we are not privy to? It seems pretty odd to move on of your better offensive players for 3 B- or C rated prospects.

 

 

Even if this isn't related to Peavy, they needed to clear up money for Bradley.

[Bruce Miles]

Let's just wait and see how this transgresses...the offseason isn't over, so this has all sorts of possibilities.

 

I don't think that word means what you think it means...

 

Some people think these moves are trangressions.

 

As for Peavy, that situation is not directly related to any of these moves. As I blogged, the ownership situation has to sort itself out first.

 

Was DeRosa a cancer in the clubhouse or was there something behind the scenes we are not privy to? It seems pretty odd to move on of your better offensive players for 3 B- or C rated prospects.

 

Nothing like that. DeRosa was great with the media and great with his teammates. The Cubs wanted to get "more left-handed." DeRosa is really the only right-handed hitter they can trade. Lee, Soriano and Ramirez have no-trades, and Hendry has no interest in moving any of the three anyway. So DeRosa was it. If the Cubs sign Bradley, they feel they have a more flexible and left-handed hitting team. We'll see how it shakes out and then see how it works.

[Bruce Miles]

Let's just wait and see how this transgresses...the offseason isn't over, so this has all sorts of possibilities.

 

I don't think that word means what you think it means...

 

Some people think these moves are trangressions.

 

As for Peavy, that situation is not directly related to any of these moves. As I blogged, the ownership situation has to sort itself out first.

 

Was DeRosa a cancer in the clubhouse or was there something behind the scenes we are not privy to? It seems pretty odd to move on of your better offensive players for 3 B- or C rated prospects.

 

 

Even if this isn't related to Peavy, they needed to clear up money for Bradley.

 

Exactly.

[Bull]

Let's just wait and see how this transgresses...the offseason isn't over, so this has all sorts of possibilities.

 

so you're saying you don't like the deal?

[Banedon]

Let's just wait and see how this transgresses...the offseason isn't over, so this has all sorts of possibilities.

 

I don't think that word means what you think it means...

 

Some people think these moves are trangressions.

 

As for Peavy, that situation is not directly related to any of these moves. As I blogged, the ownership situation has to sort itself out first.

 

Was DeRosa a cancer in the clubhouse or was there something behind the scenes we are not privy to? It seems pretty odd to move on of your better offensive players for 3 B- or C rated prospects.

 

 

Even if this isn't related to Peavy, they needed to clear up money for Bradley.

 

Exactly.

 

So trading Marquis wasn't enough? I mean, it seems like Miles cancels out the money saved by trading Marquis. And he wouldn't have been necessary without the Derosa trade....*sigh*

[David]

bah leave the guy alone... he meant progresses. it's the holidays for duck's sake.

[Banedon]

bah leave the guy alone... he meant progresses. it's the holidays for duck's sake.

 

Actually, I'm guessing he meant transpires.

[robnail]

Gotta love the fact they announced this on one of the slowest news days of the year. I guess the Cubs' PR staffers are in mid-season form. I take it there won't be an Aaron Miles introductory press conference after the Winter Classic. Can you imagine the vile things women would throw at him?

 

I just got my cubs.com e-mail. Subject line: "Cubs Sign Miles, Acquire Three Pitchers". You have to open the e-mail to learn that one of the team's most popular players was dealt for a bunch of nobodies and never-will-be's. I'm okay with the moves, but seriously, how lame. I think Cubs fans can do without the attempts to put lipstick on a pig.

Edited December 31, 2008 by robnail

[David]

bah leave the guy alone... he meant progresses. it's the holidays for duck's sake.

 

Actually, I'm guessing he meant transpires.

 

 

True that.

[Bull]

bah leave the guy alone... he meant progresses. it's the holidays for duck's sake.

 

Actually, I'm guessing he meant transpires.

 

 

True that.

 

Interesting that it most likely regresses.

[CUBZ99]

Let's just wait and see how this transgresses...the offseason isn't over, so this has all sorts of possibilities.

 

I don't think that word means what you think it means...

 

Some people think these moves are trangressions.

 

As for Peavy, that situation is not directly related to any of these moves. As I blogged, the ownership situation has to sort itself out first.

 

Was DeRosa a cancer in the clubhouse or was there something behind the scenes we are not privy to? It seems pretty odd to move on of your better offensive players for 3 B- or C rated prospects.

 

Nothing like that. DeRosa was great with the media and great with his teammates. The Cubs wanted to get "more left-handed." DeRosa is really the only right-handed hitter they can trade. Lee, Soriano and Ramirez have no-trades, and Hendry has no interest in moving any of the three anyway. So DeRosa was it. If the Cubs sign Bradley, they feel they have a more flexible and left-handed hitting team. We'll see how it shakes out and then see how it works.

 

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm amazed that Hendry couldn't get more for DeRosa than this trade though.

[abuck1220]

man, the cubs better absolutely mash righties next year.

[17 Seconds]

Man, this is turning out to be the worst offseason ever.

 

Now what happens when Bradley gets injured? Instead of more at-bats for Fontenot we're looking at more at-bats for Miles, Johnson vs RHP, or Fukudome vs LHP.

 

Maybe instead of giving Dempster a ridiculous contract we should have just kept DeRosa and re-signed Wood. Dempster was a huge waste of money.

 

Really this team is looking very mediocre for next season when you take into account all the fulkey seasons we got last year. Bullpen looks mediocre, offensive looks slightly above average, and the rotation will look pretty average when Dempster regresses and Harden is out.

 

Good thing the Brewers are having an even worse offseason.

[17 Seconds]

It isn't obvious to everyone else that the plan is:

 

Sign Miles to fill DeRosa's spot, trade DeRosa to Indians for prospects to spin to SD for Peavy?

 

ya think.

 

when it seems so obvious that this is all leading up to a Peavy deal...

 

No it doesn't. It's obvious with the stuff that's been coming out lately that this is just to clear payroll so Hendry can add Bradley, which is awful.

 

I was kinda "meh" on including DeRosa in a trade for Peavy if we were signing Bradley, but now we're trading DeRosa and we're not even getting Peavy? Awful.

[abuck1220]

if the cubs needed to dump derosa AND marquis just to get bradley, what the hell was the point of even having trade talks about peavy?

[cubswin2009]

Good thing the Brewers are having an even worse offseason.

Everyone in our division except maybe the Reds are having a terrible offseason. In fact everyone outside the AL East is having a terrible offseason.

[17 Seconds]

Good thing the Brewers are having an even worse offseason.

Everyone in our division except maybe the Reds are having a terrible offseason. In fact everyone outside the AL East is having a terrible offseason.

 

The Indians and Mets are doing alright

[cubswin2009]

Good thing the Brewers are having an even worse offseason.

Everyone in our division except maybe the Reds are having a terrible offseason. In fact everyone outside the AL East is having a terrible offseason.

 

The Indians and Mets are doing alright

Not sure the Indians are having a great offseason but they have improved over last year. Wood and DeRosa won't make too much of a difference though.

[Guest]

On Archer when he was drafted in the 5th round in 2006:

 

Few players made greater strides in the past 12 months than Archer. A virtual unknown nationally in the spring of 2005, Archer emerged as the quintessential late bloomer last year after going 11-2, 1.09 as a junior. He then tossed two scoreless innings after a last-minute invitation to the East Coast Showcase last summer before throwing lights-out this high school season. In the process, he orally committed to North Carolina State before signing with Miami, yet has given scouts every indication that he would prefer to sign and begin his professional career. Archer's best pitch is a sharp slider that he throws in the 78-81 mph range on two planes. His fastball sits in the 90-92 mph range but has a tendency to be a bit flat. Still, the athletic Archer has a live arm, a good overall feel for pitching and impressive confidence without a hint of arrogance. He has struggled with his command on occasion, which can be attributed to minor kinks in his delivery, but his body projects incredibly well, particularly with his easy arm action.

 

The Cleveland Fan Club[/url]"]Archer has a live arm with a fastball that consistently sits around 90-92, although according to Archer he has topped out as high as 95 MPH. He is still very young, so as Archer matures his velocity is expected to increase. He compliments his fastball with a sharp slider that has good bite, and it sits around 80 MPH and has the makings of being a plus pitch. Some scouts felt his power breaking ball was the best of any high school pitcher in the draft. He also throws a changeup that he is still working on refining. At 6'3" and 180 pounds and still growing, Archer has a projectable body to handle the rigors of being a starting pitcher.

 

Archer's best pitch is his slider, although these days he has more confidence in his fastball. He is getting a lot of groundballs with the slider, but he is getting a lot more strikeouts than he used to with his fastball. His fastball does not sink, but he does a good job of getting his fastball on a downward plane and his command and location of the pitch continues to improve.

 

...

 

The results have shown so far with Archer's early season success. He has been effectively wild holding opposing hitters to a .091 batting average and has yet to allow a home run, but the 18 walks in 17.1 innings pitched (9.35 BB/9) is a concern.

 

"I really have been putting myself in some bad situations, but being able to pitch out of them is what has helped me a lot," said Archer. "I have always struggled a little bit with the walks. Just some mechanical flaws I have been working on. I have just been getting better and better. Sometimes I will be really good, but other times I will let the game speed up on me and get ahead of myself and forget what I am working on. It is a work in progress."

 

Anytime a pitcher is walking more than a batter an inning they are going to get themselves into trouble. It is a recipe for disaster, and eventually it will catch up with them. The wildness is nothing new with Archer as going into the draft his command was a concern for teams, and it is something that he will need to continue to work on. Improving his command is the main focus for him at the moment, and Archer knows what he has to do. At this point it is all about applying what he has been taught by the Indians the last few years.

[17 Seconds]

Good thing the Brewers are having an even worse offseason.

Everyone in our division except maybe the Reds are having a terrible offseason. In fact everyone outside the AL East is having a terrible offseason.

 

The Indians and Mets are doing alright

Not sure the Indians are having a great offseason but they have improved over last year. Wood and DeRosa won't make too much of a difference though.

 

My point is they're improving instead of butchering the team like Jim Hendry is doing right now.

[Mephistopheles]

hes throwing a bit harder these days and his breaking ball has developed into a plus pitch when he decides to control it, which isn't very often.

[dew1679666265]

With the addition of DeRo, the Indians now have the prettiest team in all of Baseball. We have officially gained the female fanbase.

 

Could DeRo hit leadoff? I'd really like to see Sizemore moved down in the lineup. But, I doubt that will happen.

 

So, this is the potential Indians' lineup for now:

 

Sizemore

DeRo

Martinez

Hafner

Peralta

Garko

Choo

Francisco

Cabrera

 

Although, the 3-4-5 spots could go any which way, and Choo could make a case for the three spot if he hits like he did at the end of last year.

 

Can we have Zambrano too, please?

 

Is DeRosa at third in your lineup? I kinda thought he'd replace either Asdrubal or Peralta, but third might be a decent option as well.

Third in the lineup? Or do you mean playing third base? Peralta played a lot of third last year, so I'm not sure how that will all work out.

 

I meant third base, sorry. BR has Peralta with just nine games played in his career at third, with just one there last year.

Wow. I could have sworn he took over for Casey Blake last year. I must be losing my mind.

 

Marte played a decent amount, but for the life of me I can think who else could have played third.

 

According to BR, Blake played the first 74 games there before being traded, then Marte played 68, Jamey Carroll played 18, and Peralta and somebody played one each.

[TheDude]

So far this offseason..

 

Replace Wood with Kevin Gregg.

Replace Edmonds with Gaithright.

Replace Marquis with Vizcaino.

Replace Derosa with Miles.

 

Something big better happen because all were doin is downgrading...

 

Not one of those replacements is accurate in expected roles, so your notion of downgrading across the board is wrong.

Replace Wood with Marmol at closer (even).

Replace Howry with Gregg at set-up (even).

Replace Edmonds with Fukudome in CF (moderate downgrade).

Replace Fukudome with Bradley in RF (notable upgrade).

Replace Marquis with Marshall at 5th starter (slight upgrade).

Replace DeRosa with Fontenot at 2B (slight downgrade).

Replace Fontenot with Miles on bench (slight downgrade).

Replace Jon Lieber with Vizcaino in relief (moderate downgrade).

 

That's how I see it.

[Guest]

hes throwing a bit harder these days and his breaking ball has developed into a plus pitch when he decides to control it, which isn't very often.

 

Well, that's good to hear.

 

He's probably a top 15 prospect in this woeful system.