Cubs maxed out spending?!

[Sammy Sofa]

I'm not sure about you but i have a real job, kids, a life...etc...all those things that apparently you do not. You seem to have time to look up all of this & hash/re-hash all of the angles. You chime in on every post on this forum. I'm simply not going to play message board hero & respond to this garbage. I have my opinion & you have yours. I'm very secure in mine. If you are in yours, knock yourself out. i can assure you, I have much more to worry about than this.

 

wrigley23 is every cliche of "angry typing guy" rolled up into a single adorable package. Now he can't be bothered to counter points against his arguments because he "has a life."

[TruffleShuffle]

I'm not sure about you but i have a real job, kids, a life...etc...all those things that apparently you do not. You seem to have time to look up all of this & hash/re-hash all of the angles. You chime in on every post on this forum. I'm simply not going to play message board hero & respond to this garbage. I have my opinion & you have yours. I'm very secure in mine. If you are in yours, knock yourself out. i can assure you, I have much more to worry about than this.

 

wrigley23 is every cliche of "angry typing guy" rolled up into a single adorable package. Now he can't be bothered to counter points against his arguments because he "has a life."

 

it's always so entertaining when people you assume are 14 years old end up writing that they are 40 years old and have a wife and 2 kids. it just blows my mind that someone that age can have so little perspective about the game.

 

by the way, is message board hero similar to guitar hero?

[laryan]

dexter what good does soriano's power if he a pitcher and #8 hitter right in front of him? why wouldn't it be better to have high OBP people in front of your power hitters?

[Sammy Sofa]

dexter what good does soriano's power if he a pitcher and #8 hitter right in front of him? why wouldn't it be better to have high OBP people in front of your power hitters?

 

What good? Do his HR's not count if they're hit with nobody on base?

[Little Slide Rooter]

So what's our team look like?

 

Soriano LF

Theriot SS

Lee 1B

Ramirez 3B

Soto C

DeRosa RF

Fontenot 2B

Fukudome CF

 

boring, I saw this team last year

 

lets hope they at least trade for one more guy, if they are done spending

 

 

 

 

or bring Sammy back

 

It may be boring from a hot stove perspective, but when you win 97 games to pace the NL, it's best not to dramatically overhaul your lineup. This team had the talent to win it all last year, they just choked in the playoffs.

 

Nobodys looking for a dramatic overhaul. Just that one bat to place somewhere in the middle of the lineup. I do agree that this team does have what it takes to go all the way as is, but the guys that have been discussed, Abreu, Bradley, Nady, Hermida etc. are not the kind of players that would re shape the team, more so the kind of guys that can hopefully be that final piece to bring the puzzle together.

[Little Slide Rooter]

dexter what good does soriano's power if he a pitcher and #8 hitter right in front of him? why wouldn't it be better to have high OBP people in front of your power hitters?

 

What good? Do his HR's not count if they're hit with nobody on base?

 

They certainly count for more runs with guys on base.

 

Maybe Soriano isnt the problem. He gets on base plenty, and Theriot is usually good at gettign on as well, as long as he doesnt commit some boneheaded base running blunder. Its their job to get on base, and the number 3 and 4 guys should drive them in. The problem comes when that number 3 hitter rolls the ball directly into the short stops glove with dead aim. Lee is just not a number 3 type. Hes always been an .800something OPSer, and then he had that ridiculous 2005, which made everyone believe he was going to do that again. Hasnt happened, wont happen, and we should accept him as a .280/.370/.475 type of player, which isnt bad by any stretch, but not quite a number 3 hitter.

 

If we could get a number 3 guy, Soriano would be just fine at leadoff. Aramis would be a great #3 guy, but Lou never saw it that way. This is why, with Soriano, Theriot, Ramirez, and Soto as the 1-4, we could use a nice number 5 guy, and put Lee 6th.

Edited December 29, 2008 by Little Slide Rooter

[Banedon]

by the way, is message board hero similar to guitar hero?

 

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[Little Slide Rooter]

by the way, is message board hero similar to guitar hero?

 

http://www.heroestvshow.com/wp-content/uploads/Image/MasiOka.jpg

 

Maybe he could take us back in time to before this thread got out of hand.

[CUBZ99]

I'm not sure about you but i have a real job, kids, a life...etc...all those things that apparently you do not. You seem to have time to look up all of this & hash/re-hash all of the angles. You chime in on every post on this forum. I'm simply not going to play message board hero & respond to this garbage. I have my opinion & you have yours. I'm very secure in mine. If you are in yours, knock yourself out. i can assure you, I have much more to worry about than this.

 

wrigley23 is every cliche of "angry typing guy" rolled up into a single adorable package. Now he can't be bothered to counter points against his arguments because he "has a life."

 

it's always so entertaining when people you assume are 14 years old end up writing that they are 40 years old and have a wife and 2 kids. it just blows my mind that someone that age can have so little perspective about the game.

 

by the way, is message board hero similar to guitar hero?

 

I think you have that backwards. It is generally the young people that are coming up with the new perspectives regarding the game. For example, I'm sure that if Steve Stone or Dusty Baker posted their thoughts on NSBB they would get ridiculed to no end, and that would hardly be from a lack of perspective about the game.

[craig]

The Cubs have maxed out their spending for the winter

 

Just to clarify on this, this is stated by Olney in the context of an article regarding Manny Ramirez, who he might sign with, and why the cubs aren't candidates. Perhaps the Cubs truly are "maxed out", and can't even afford a lefty reliever, much less Bradley or manny. But it may also be that they don't have $$ for manny ("maxed out"), but do still have enough discretionary flexibility to add lesser contract(s).

[javy knows my name]

The Cubs have maxed out their spending for the winter

 

Just to clarify on this, this is stated by Olney in the context of an article regarding Manny Ramirez, who he might sign with, and why the cubs aren't candidates. Perhaps the Cubs truly are "maxed out", and can't even afford a lefty reliever, much less Bradley or manny. But it may also be that they don't have $$ for manny ("maxed out"), but do still have enough discretionary flexibility to add lesser contract(s).

 

There is no room for your level-headedness and rational thinking in this thread

[Derwood]

I love how wrigley23 always twists the debate to make it sound like everyone but him thinks Soriano is ideal in his position in the batting order. I'm pretty sure most of us would prefer him lower in the order.

[Bull]

I love how wrigley23 always twists the debate to make it sound like everyone but him thinks Soriano is ideal in his position in the batting order. I'm pretty sure most of us would prefer him lower in the order.

 

I like him in the leadoff spot. Not because I believe in some mythical leadoff position, but he has historically performed well there.

 

Is it mental? Maybe. But still you keep the primadonna happy.

[carolinacubbie]

dexter what good does soriano's power if he a pitcher and #8 hitter right in front of him? why wouldn't it be better to have high OBP people in front of your power hitters?

 

What good? Do his HR's not count if they're hit with nobody on base?

 

They certainly count for more runs with guys on base.

 

Maybe Soriano isnt the problem. He gets on base plenty, and Theriot is usually good at gettign on as well, as long as he doesnt commit some boneheaded base running blunder. Its their job to get on base, and the number 3 and 4 guys should drive them in. The problem comes when that number 3 hitter rolls the ball directly into the short stops glove with dead aim. Lee is just not a number 3 type. Hes always been an .800something OPSer, and then he had that ridiculous 2005, which made everyone believe he was going to do that again. Hasnt happened, wont happen, and we should accept him as a .280/.370/.475 type of player, which isnt bad by any stretch, but not quite a number 3 hitter.

 

If we could get a number 3 guy, Soriano would be just fine at leadoff. Aramis would be a great #3 guy, but Lou never saw it that way. This is why, with Soriano, Theriot, Ramirez, and Soto as the 1-4, we could use a nice number 5 guy, and put Lee 6th.

 

 

Maybe there isn't a problem. This team won 97 games last year and did one hell of a job scoring runs. The 07 and 08 teams were clearly different. The 07 team wasn't all that good and benefited from a bad division. We got beat by the better D Backs team. The 08 team on the other hand was great, and we just made a few costly mistakes fielding wise especially in the 2nd game. Had we not had such a bad inning, we could have been right in the series. We might can add a guy or so, but I wouldn't screw with the team too much. You don't have to change up your whole team every year you don't win the World Series.

 

It isn't every year that you have to play Manny Ramirez, the way he was playing. The guy was unbelievable and impossible to get out. We caught some bad breaks, but it isn't like we weren't good. We were great last year. The Angels were great last year too though and they also lost in the 1st round. If I thought some of these other NL contenders were really out there getting huge players, I would be concerned, but they are not. The Mets aren't even really. They got a closer, but that isn't a franchise changing position.

 

We are still arguably the best team in the NL, and if we can make the World Series, anything can happen in a 7 game series.

[17 Seconds]

So glad I don't read any of Dexter's posts anymore. That one looks like another big waste of time.

 

Well it's so nice that you let us all know hiow much you don't care about my posts. That was very necessary.

[17 Seconds]

I'm not sure about you but i have a real job, kids, a life...etc...all those things that apparently you do not. You seem to have time to look up all of this & hash/re-hash all of the angles. You chime in on every post on this forum. I'm simply not going to play message board hero & respond to this garbage. I have my opinion & you have yours. I'm very secure in mine. If you are in yours, knock yourself out. i can assure you, I have much more to worry about than this.

 

and there's the final copout. that's twice now that i've seen you use the "i have a wife and kids" thing when you have nowhere else to go in the argument. then you always come back a few weeks later and have at it again. i guess the kids must be away or something when that happens

Edited December 29, 2008 by 17 Seconds

[17 Seconds]

dexter what good does soriano's power if he a pitcher and #8 hitter right in front of him? why wouldn't it be better to have high OBP people in front of your power hitters?

 

and what good does it do to move a guy to a position in the lineup where he has repeatedly failed and has shown a dramatic decrease in production?

[Soul]

The Cubs have maxed out their spending for the winter

 

Just to clarify on this, this is stated by Olney in the context of an article regarding Manny Ramirez, who he might sign with, and why the cubs aren't candidates. Perhaps the Cubs truly are "maxed out", and can't even afford a lefty reliever, much less Bradley or manny. But it may also be that they don't have $$ for manny ("maxed out"), but do still have enough discretionary flexibility to add lesser contract(s).

 

There is no room for your level-headedness and rational thinking in this thread

 

It's irrational to think there might actually be a bottom to the barrel of cash the Cubs have been carrying around for the past several years?

[EhDubya]

So glad I don't read any of Dexter's posts anymore. That one looks like another big waste of time.

 

Well it's so nice that you let us all know hiow much you don't care about my posts. That was very necessary.

 

Do you realize you average nearly 20 posts a day?

 

My parent's vodka when I was a teenager was less watered down.

[17 Seconds]

So glad I don't read any of Dexter's posts anymore. That one looks like another big waste of time.

 

Well it's so nice that you let us all know hiow much you don't care about my posts. That was very necessary.

 

Do you realize you average nearly 20 posts a day?

 

My parent's vodka when I was a teenager was less watered down.

 

and that has nothing to do with anything. i just thought it was funny that you made a post to say how much you don't read my posts

[BigbadB]

dexter what good does soriano's power if he a pitcher and #8 hitter right in front of him? why wouldn't it be better to have high OBP people in front of your power hitters?

 

Soriano was on pace to drive in more than 100 RBI in 2008 (75 RBI in 109 games). That's great production for a top of the order hitter.

 

Not all of Soriano's hits are HR's. He's typically right around 40 doubles a year also, which allows the other guys to drive him in. Derrek Lee had too many GIDP's, but that's because Theriot is too one dimensional. Theriot would be the ideal #8 hitter in the Cubs line up. He can draw the walk or stroke a base hit, steal 2nd or get to second on the sacrifice by the pitcher and be in scoring position for Soriano. I think Soriano's stolen base rate would actually improve from that lower spot in the order.

 

Soriano was also on pace to score 100 runs, something he's done several times in his career. Keeping him healthy is what the Cubs need from Soriano more than anything. A switch to another spot in the order isn't necessary at all.

[jersey cubs fan]

dexter what good does soriano's power if he a pitcher and #8 hitter right in front of him? why wouldn't it be better to have high OBP people in front of your power hitters?

 

Soriano was on pace to drive in more than 100 RBI in 2008 (75 RBI in 109 games). That's great production for a top of the order hitter.

 

Not all of Soriano's hits are HR's. He's typically right around 40 doubles a year also, which allows the other guys to drive him in. Derrek Lee had too many GIDP's, but that's because Theriot is too one dimensional. Theriot would be the ideal #8 hitter in the Cubs line up. He can draw the walk or stroke a base hit, steal 2nd or get to second on the sacrifice by the pitcher and be in scoring position for Soriano. I think Soriano's stolen base rate would actually improve from that lower spot in the order.

 

Soriano was also on pace to score 100 runs, something he's done several times in his career. Keeping him healthy is what the Cubs need from Soriano more than anything. A switch to another spot in the order isn't necessary at all.

 

Necessary? No. Preferable? Clearly.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

dexter what good does soriano's power if he a pitcher and #8 hitter right in front of him? why wouldn't it be better to have high OBP people in front of your power hitters?

 

Soriano was on pace to drive in more than 100 RBI in 2008 (75 RBI in 109 games). That's great production for a top of the order hitter.

 

Not all of Soriano's hits are HR's. He's typically right around 40 doubles a year also, which allows the other guys to drive him in. Derrek Lee had too many GIDP's, but that's because Theriot is too one dimensional. Theriot would be the ideal #8 hitter in the Cubs line up. He can draw the walk or stroke a base hit, steal 2nd or get to second on the sacrifice by the pitcher and be in scoring position for Soriano. I think Soriano's stolen base rate would actually improve from that lower spot in the order.

 

Soriano was also on pace to score 100 runs, something he's done several times in his career. Keeping him healthy is what the Cubs need from Soriano more than anything. A switch to another spot in the order isn't necessary at all.

 

Necessary? No. Preferable? Clearly.

 

Preferable by a margin to make it worth all the distraction it might cause? Clearly not.

 

Unless you are going to do a truly optimal lineup, something like Ramirez or Lee batting second, there's really no point.

[jersey cubs fan]

Preferable by a margin to make it worth all the distraction it might cause? Clearly not.

 

Not sure what the perceived distraction is supposed to be. Improving your team doesn't seem like much of a distraction.

[sethuel1]

I'm not sure about you but i have a real job, kids, a life...etc...all those things that apparently you do not. You seem to have time to look up all of this & hash/re-hash all of the angles. You chime in on every post on this forum. I'm simply not going to play message board hero & respond to this garbage. I have my opinion & you have yours. I'm very secure in mine. If you are in yours, knock yourself out. i can assure you, I have much more to worry about than this.

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