Is Renteria better than Theriot?

[Sever82]

Just wondering why no one has mentioned Renteria as a possible signee. I feel he's better than theriot but then again a may just be my hatred for theriot talking. Just wondering if anyone would be opposed if Renteria was signed for like 8 million a year which i doubt but just wondering.

[UMFan83]

I believe he signed with the Giants last week.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I believe he signed with the Giants last week.

 

He didn't, that was a false rumor.

 

I'd take a shot at him. The Tigers didn't offer him arbitration, so he wouldn't cost us anything in terms of picks. I bet he'll end up on the West Coast though.

Edited December 1, 2008 by Butterscup

[PrimeTime]

I'd take him in a heartbeat over Theriot

[moorecg]

I know there is likely some statistical reason for all this hate, and that its likely been discussed adnauseum in some other thread...but I missed it and I'm curious...

 

Why all the hate for the guy who put up the best OBP and BA on the team last year, all while costing us only $428K? Considering our financial situation, is replacing him with a .312 OBP who ony hit 10 HRs and will cost $10,000,000.00 really a good idea?

[SouthSideRyan]

No, signing Renteria is not a good idea. It's too much money for a marginal upgrade.

[Mephistopheles]

I don't see any reason to do this.

[UK1679666180]

He's prob. better although there isn't anything consistent about Renteria from a yearly standpoint. The Cubs likely don't have much money that they need to spend on bigger holes than going from Theriot to Renteria.

[Backtobanks]

Just wondering why no one has mentioned Renteria as a possible signee. I feel he's better than theriot but then again a may just be my hatred for theriot talking. Just wondering if anyone would be opposed if Renteria was signed for like 8 million a year which i doubt but just wondering.

 

We can't afford a 1-year deal for Kerry Wood, but we're going to signed Renteria?

[BigbadB]

I know there is likely some statistical reason for all this hate, and that its likely been discussed adnauseum in some other thread...but I missed it and I'm curious...

 

Why all the hate for the guy who put up the best OBP and BA on the team last year, all while costing us only $428K? Considering our financial situation, is replacing him with a .312 OBP who ony hit 10 HRs and will cost $10,000,000.00 really a good idea?

 

Theriot's AVG and OBP were definitely good last year, but in the big picture, it's really not all that good. Just to give you an idea how hollow those stats really are, here are a few comparisons for you:

 

Theriot had 24 XBH's in 2008

The extremely hated Juan Pierre had 32 doubles, 13 triples and 3 HR's in his only year with the Cubs. That's twice as many XBH's as Theriot had this past year. One of the things that ate Cub fans alive was Slappy's inability to hit for extra bases. Yet, he had TWICE as many as Theriot had in '08.

Neifi Perez had 45 XBH's in his final full season with the Cubs.

 

The lack of power is staggering. If his batting average was sustainable, he wouldn't be completely worthless, but there aren't many here that believe he can sustain that level.

[BigbadB]

Renteria did some stuff against the Cubs that probably hasn't been too quickly forgotten in the Cubs clubhouse.

[Clem Fandango]

If he wants to give us one of his patented out of nowhere one-of-the-best-SS-in-the-league performances like he did with ATL in 2007 and STL in 2003, then yeah he might be worth it.

 

But the chances of doing that are slim, and thus should make him 100% avoidable as he keeps getting up there in age andwill still likely cost a lot of money compared to Theriot who is doing just fine, IMO.

[B]

There are only a few SS in baseball that are better than Theriot, and Renteria isn't one of them.

[XZero771679666304]

There are only a few SS in baseball that are better than Theriot, and Renteria isn't one of them.

 

 

If by "a few" you mean "most", then you are right.

[javy knows my name]

There are only a few SS in baseball that are better than Theriot, and Renteria isn't one of them.

How you make that post after reading BBB's post above is dumbfounding to me

[UK1679666180]

There are only a few SS in baseball that are better than Theriot, and Renteria isn't one of them.

How you make that post after reading BBB's post above is dumbfounding to me

 

He's not even in the top 15 of starting SS I'd rather have.

 

Ramirez

Reyes

Rollins

Hardy

Furcal

Young

Drew

Jeter

Peralta

Escobar

Aybar

Cabrera

Tejada

Renteria

Aviles

Lowrie

Tulowitski

[B]

There are only a few SS in baseball that are better than Theriot, and Renteria isn't one of them.

How you make that post after reading BBB's post above is dumbfounding to me

 

He's not even in the top 15 of starting SS I'd rather have.

 

Ramirez

Reyes

Rollins

Hardy

Furcal

Young

Drew

Jeter

Peralta

Escobar

Aybar

Cabrera

Tejada

Renteria

Aviles

Lowrie

Tulowitski

17 reasons you're not a GM.

[TruffleShuffle]

I know there is likely some statistical reason for all this hate, and that its likely been discussed adnauseum in some other thread...but I missed it and I'm curious...

 

Why all the hate for the guy who put up the best OBP and BA on the team last year, all while costing us only $428K? Considering our financial situation, is replacing him with a .312 OBP who ony hit 10 HRs and will cost $10,000,000.00 really a good idea?

 

Theriot's AVG and OBP were definitely good last year, but in the big picture, it's really not all that good. Just to give you an idea how hollow those stats really are, here are a few comparisons for you:

 

Theriot had 24 XBH's in 2008

The extremely hated Juan Pierre had 32 doubles, 13 triples and 3 HR's in his only year with the Cubs. That's twice as many XBH's as Theriot had this past year. One of the things that ate Cub fans alive was Slappy's inability to hit for extra bases. Yet, he had TWICE as many as Theriot had in '08.

Neifi Perez had 45 XBH's in his final full season with the Cubs.

 

The lack of power is staggering. If his batting average was sustainable, he wouldn't be completely worthless, but there aren't many here that believe he can sustain that level.

 

i agree with a lot of this, but saying he's "completely worthless" is dumb. he drew 73 walks last year; i can't really explain why pitchers walk him, but he does get on base at a good level and hit line drives at a pretty good rate throughout his career. if he can put up something like .280 avg with a .350 obp at the league minimum, and keep the number of errors low, he's far from completely worthless.

[Clem Fandango]

There are only a few SS in baseball that are better than Theriot, and Renteria isn't one of them.

How you make that post after reading BBB's post above is dumbfounding to me

 

He's not even in the top 15 of starting SS I'd rather have.

 

Ramirez

Reyes

Rollins

Hardy

Furcal

Young

Drew

Jeter

Peralta

Escobar

Aybar

Cabrera

Tejada

Renteria

Aviles

Lowrie

Tulowitski

17 reasons you're not a GM.

 

I think Theriot is a fine shortstop and all, but to sit there and say you'd rather have Ryan Theriot over Hanley Ramirez or Jimmy Rollins or Jose Reyes is either one of the silliest things I've ever heard or one of the largest sarchasms I've ever fallen into

[carolinacubbie]

There are only a few SS in baseball that are better than Theriot, and Renteria isn't one of them.

How you make that post after reading BBB's post above is dumbfounding to me

 

He's not even in the top 15 of starting SS I'd rather have.

 

Ramirez

Reyes

Rollins

Hardy

Furcal

Young

Drew

Jeter

Peralta

Escobar

Aybar

Cabrera

Tejada

Renteria

Aviles

Lowrie

Tulowitski

17 reasons you're not a GM.

 

I think Theriot is a fine shortstop and all, but to sit there and say you'd rather have Ryan Theriot over Hanley Ramirez or Jimmy Rollins or Jose Reyes is either one of the silliest things I've ever heard or one of the largest sarchasms I've ever fallen into

 

 

I think ya'll are both taking it from one extreme to another. I don't think that guy stated he was better than Ramirez, Rollins, or Reyes. Granted Theriot isn't as good as that guy thinks either. He is a solid player for our team considering how little he makes, and isn't a guy we should be willing to run off. If Fontenot can play short, and we could have a platoon of Fontenot/Theriot. I believe that is very much of above league average offensively.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If Fontenot can play short, and we could have a platoon of Fontenot/Theriot.

 

You just made defense cry.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If we were building a team from scratch and had to choose between Theriot and Renteria as players, it would be a bit of a tough call. Renteria is pretty inconsistent with the bat, but on the high end he's significantly better than what Theriot could hope to be as a hitter. Several metrics show Renteria to be a consistently worse defender, so if you want to go along with that let's say that they aren't too far apart when you consider Renteria can be the .800+ hitter from Atlanta or the sub-.700 OPS wreck he was last year. He's also about 4 years older than Theriot at 33, and therefore his down year last year raises much more alarm, as well as a diminished hope for a stronger defensive year like he had in 2006. So basically it comes down to the likely steadiness of Theriot v. the gamble on the potential with Renteria. You can make an argument for either one and not be wrong. However, when you consider that we already have Theriot, and have him for cheap, and we'd need to pay several million out of the limited funds remaining to improve the team to get Renteria, then it's much more clear that it makes sense just to keep Theriot....unless you were to trade him, but that gets into a whole new ballgame of what's likely or feasible.

[Rob]

Taking contract details into account, I'd definitely rather have (in no particular order):

 

Hanley Ramirez

Jose Reyes

Jimmy Rollins

Alexei Ramirez

Jhonny Peralta

Yunel Escobar

JJ Hardy

Rafael Furcal

Stephen Drew

Troy Tulowitzki

Jed Lowrie

Brandon Wood

 

And if we took out contract considerations, we could add to the list:

 

Derek Jeter

Michael Young

Miguel Tejada

Khalil Greene

 

And then there's quite a few people that Theriot would be in a close group with... including Ronny Cedeno (whom I still believe is the better player of the two)

[Old Style]

I don't practice Renteria

I ain't got no crystal ball

[UK1679666180]

There are only a few SS in baseball that are better than Theriot, and Renteria isn't one of them.

How you make that post after reading BBB's post above is dumbfounding to me

 

He's not even in the top 15 of starting SS I'd rather have.

 

Ramirez

Reyes

Rollins

Hardy

Furcal

Young

Drew

Jeter

Peralta

Escobar

Aybar

Cabrera

Tejada

Renteria

Aviles

Lowrie

Tulowitski

17 reasons you're not a GM.

 

Instead of an idiotic remark, show me where I'm wrong. Who do you disagree with?

Edited December 2, 2008 by UK