Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[Sever82]

the padres gm/ceo/whoever can deny it all they want, but there's no way that hendry is just acquiring all these pieces for the hell of it. he obviously understood the roadblock to the trade at the meetings. you dont think that towers said "if you can get these guys and send them to me you've got a deal?" of course he did.

 

None of the guys we've gotten really seem like the kind of guys Towers would want for Peavy.

 

The only move that is even marginal on its own is DeRosa. The others make perfect sense on their own.

huh? the pads want pitching, which is exactly what the cubs have acquired.

 

Presumably they want good pitching. All we acquired was minor-league dross no better than what we already had.

 

I like how everyone acts as if they're a scout. Oh i'm sorry did you want us to get 5 pitching prospects that were in the Top 50 Prospects list? Sorry but you act as if all we got was trash for derosa and Pie. give me a break, the padres wanted pitching prospects and thats what we got. the padres wanted Olsen ( Its a fact), so i guess according to your logic, the padres wanted trash. Call it what you want but we got the prospects the padres wanted. Its just annoying to hear people act like we need to give up five future cy young award winners for one.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

What's worse, my being a wannabe scout or your delusion that you have a line into Kevin Towers' mind?

 

Of course Towers wanted pitching prospects. Everybody wants pitching prospects. They make up roughly half the prospects in the game, and most GMs believe it's the important half

 

If Towers had been known to want a young 3b and a left-handed RFer and we traded for those, sure, then we'd be on to something. But pitchers? Way too vague.

[Sever82]

What's worse, my being a wannabe scout or your delusion that you have a line into Kevin Towers' mind?

 

Of course Towers wanted pitching prospects. Everybody wants pitching prospects. They make up roughly half the prospects in the game, and most GMs believe it's the important half

 

If Towers had been known to want a young 3b and a left-handed RFer and we traded for those, sure, then we'd be on to something. But pitchers? Way too vague.

 

hmmm so lets see, it was reported that Towers wanted Olsen from the Orioles and we got him in the Pie trade. It was also reported in the San Diego Tribune that Towers had an interested in Stevens, who we got in the Derosa trade. Towers reportedly wanted Hart and Marshall in the initial trade package. The only question is did he want vitters or another pitcher or two. Do you want me to spell it out for you or are you going to respond with another vague response and ignore the reports of how the prospects the cubs got are linked to the padres. Look Peavy may or may not become a cub, but if you actually were up to date on this thread you would know who was mentioned in sources about the possible trade packages. Unfortunately you're not and you continue to act as these prospects were never mentioned and Hendry just out of the blue traded for them for the cubs to keep

[A New Era]

I wanted to add something.

 

Blah blah blah, I think I know everything about baseball. Blah blah blah no you don't. Blah blah blah how often did you actually scout this person, oh have you been in baseball for 20 years, I know exactly what hendry is thinking, hendry doesn't know anything because I say so and I will ignore any great moves he's made. The Cubs need to play rookies, the cubs are in it to win it, blah blah blah. All you wanna do is argue, am i arguing or are you arguing me when I'm just trying to share my great knowledge of baseball, knowledge lol blah blah blah.

[RynoRules]

OK, I'll play along:

 

Where did I ever say anything about his struggles being due to being underused last season?

 

wuertz would have as much work as gregg if he was actually used and lou didn't hate him.

 

Next:

 

Oh, and it's obvious Lou wasn't a fan, but Lou is not a fan of any reliever who comes in and walks guys

 

And you are? I don't get why are being critical of Lou here, other than for the sake of being critical.

Edited January 20, 2009 by RynoRules

[Hairyducked Idiot]

hmmm so lets see, it was reported that Towers wanted Olsen from the Orioles and we got him in the Pie trade. It was also reported in the San Diego Tribune that Towers had an interested in Stevens, who we got in the Derosa trade. Towers reportedly wanted Hart and Marshall in the initial trade package. The only question is did he want vitters or another pitcher or two. Do you want me to spell it out for you or are you going to respond with another vague response and ignore the reports of how the prospects the cubs got are linked to the padres. Look Peavy may or may not become a cub, but if you actually were up to date on this thread you would know who was mentioned in sources about the possible trade packages. Unfortunately you're not and you continue to act as these prospects were never mentioned and Hendry just out of the blue traded for them for the cubs to keep

 

That's all true, but the question was whether these moves could only lead to Peavy or not. If *you* were up to date on this thread, you'd know what I was disagreeing with.

 

The moves make perfect sense in and of themselves, as long as you stipulate that the Cubs like a Fontenot/xrighty platoon at 2b (now Miles) and are pushing up against payroll problems. Pie needed to go to a team that could keep him on the roster this season, and Pie for Olson makes a lot of sense for the Cubs regardless of any theoretical next move.

[CubinNY]

Maybe Hendry wanted Olsen too. He does have perceived value outside of whatever Towers might have wanted.

 

Hendry may have traded Pie for him for reasons that have little to do with Peavy.

[UMFan83]

Maybe Hendry wanted Olsen too. He does have perceived value outside of whatever Towers might have wanted.

 

Hendry may have traded Pie for him for reasons that have little to do with Peavy.

 

He could have. You have to admit its at least suspicious that he is acquiring the exact players that SD wanted in a Peavy trade. My guess is Hendry sees value in them so he doesn't mind keeping them, but his intention was to acquire them with the hopes of restarting the Peavy discussions, realizing that Towers is likely in a hard place and will eventually revisit things.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Maybe Hendry wanted Olsen too. He does have perceived value outside of whatever Towers might have wanted.

 

Hendry may have traded Pie for him for reasons that have little to do with Peavy.

 

He could have. You have to admit its at least suspicious that he is acquiring the exact players that SD wanted in a Peavy trade. My guess is Hendry sees value in them so he doesn't mind keeping them, but his intention was to acquire them with the hopes of restarting the Peavy discussions, realizing that Towers is likely in a hard place and will eventually revisit things.

 

My guess is that there have been no talks since the last round ended after the meetings, but hendry is well aware of the Padres situation, needing to shed payroll and how bad Peavy wants to be a Cub, so hes trading players who dont have a future with us and stocking up on young pitchers who could potentially interest Towers for when/if talks resume.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Maybe Hendry wanted Olsen too. He does have perceived value outside of whatever Towers might have wanted.

 

Hendry may have traded Pie for him for reasons that have little to do with Peavy.

 

He could have. You have to admit its at least suspicious that he is acquiring the exact players that SD wanted in a Peavy trade. My guess is Hendry sees value in them so he doesn't mind keeping them, but his intention was to acquire them with the hopes of restarting the Peavy discussions, realizing that Towers is likely in a hard place and will eventually revisit things.

 

My guess is that there have been no talks since the last round ended after the meetings, but hendry is well aware of the Padres situation, needing to shed payroll and how bad Peavy wants to be a Cub, so hes trading players who dont have a future with us and stocking up on young pitchers who could potentially interest Towers for when/if talks resume.

 

That sounds about right.

[Post Count Padder]

Maybe Hendry wanted Olsen too. He does have perceived value outside of whatever Towers might have wanted.

 

Hendry may have traded Pie for him for reasons that have little to do with Peavy.

 

He could have. You have to admit its at least suspicious that he is acquiring the exact players that SD wanted in a Peavy trade. My guess is Hendry sees value in them so he doesn't mind keeping them, but his intention was to acquire them with the hopes of restarting the Peavy discussions, realizing that Towers is likely in a hard place and will eventually revisit things.

 

My guess is that there have been no talks since the last round ended after the meetings, but hendry is well aware of the Padres situation, needing to shed payroll and how bad Peavy wants to be a Cub, so hes trading players who dont have a future with us and stocking up on young pitchers who could potentially interest Towers for when/if talks resume.

Yea, that sounds about right. Towers is probably right about them not talking since the Winter Meetings. But Hendry knows what's going on and is setting himself to jump in if/when Towers calls him back and asks to reopen talks.

 

However, we also need to think Hendry wanted these guys in case no trade for Peavy takes place.

[17 Seconds]

OK, I'll play along:

 

Where did I ever say anything about his struggles being due to being underused last season?

 

wuertz would have as much work as gregg if he was actually used and lou didn't hate him.

 

 

??? I think you're misreading the second quote or something. Where did I ever say anything about the reasoning for his struggles? I never did. Read it again. The other dude was citing IP totals for some reason, as though he was possibly implying that Wuertz is injury prone or something. I don't know. All I said was that a big reason his IP totals were low was that Lou never used him. I never said anything about that affecting his performance.

 

Oh, and it's obvious Lou wasn't a fan, but Lou is not a fan of any reliever who comes in and walks guys

 

And you are? I don't get why are being critical of Lou here, other than for the sake of being critical

 

Don't you remember that stretch of the season where Wuertz was on the roster but never ever pitched, even in garbage time? I remember it being discussed plenty of here and the game threads being full of "is Wuertz dead?" posts every day for like 3 straight weeks. I'm not really even criticizing Lou for it, I was just pointing out that he was on the roster but wasn't be used. It was just a simple observation.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Maybe Hendry wanted Olsen too. He does have perceived value outside of whatever Towers might have wanted.

 

Hendry may have traded Pie for him for reasons that have little to do with Peavy.

 

He could have. You have to admit its at least suspicious that he is acquiring the exact players that SD wanted in a Peavy trade. My guess is Hendry sees value in them so he doesn't mind keeping them, but his intention was to acquire them with the hopes of restarting the Peavy discussions, realizing that Towers is likely in a hard place and will eventually revisit things.

 

My guess is that there have been no talks since the last round ended after the meetings, but hendry is well aware of the Padres situation, needing to shed payroll and how bad Peavy wants to be a Cub, so hes trading players who dont have a future with us and stocking up on young pitchers who could potentially interest Towers for when/if talks resume.

Yea, that sounds about right. Towers is probably right about them not talking since the Winter Meetings. But Hendry knows what's going on and is setting himself to jump in if/when Towers calls him back and asks to reopen talks.

 

However, we also need to think Hendry wanted these guys in case no trade for Peavy takes place.

 

If nothing else, I think it was an exchange of 2 players whose former organizations had completely given up on them, and figured that maybe a change of scenery would do them good. Kind of like the DuBois/Gerut trade from a few years ago.

[RynoRules]

OK, I'll play along:

 

Where did I ever say anything about his struggles being due to being underused last season?

 

wuertz would have as much work as gregg if he was actually used and lou didn't hate him.

 

 

??? I think you're misreading the second quote or something. Where did I ever say anything about the reasoning for his struggles? I never did. Read it again. The other dude was citing IP totals for some reason, as though he was possibly implying that Wuertz is injury prone or something. I don't know. All I said was that a big reason his IP totals were low was that Lou never used him. I never said anything about that affecting his performance.

 

Oh, and it's obvious Lou wasn't a fan, but Lou is not a fan of any reliever who comes in and walks guys

 

And you are? I don't get why are being critical of Lou here, other than for the sake of being critical

 

Don't you remember that stretch of the season where Wuertz was on the roster but never ever pitched, even in garbage time? I remember it being discussed plenty of here and the game threads being full of "is Wuertz dead?" posts every day for like 3 straight weeks. I'm not really even criticizing Lou for it, I was just pointing out that he was on the roster but wasn't be used. It was just a simple observation.

 

Sure, I recall the discussions about Wuertz, but I also recall that many of his walks occurred while he was making more frequent appearences. Shortly after that he couldn't find the plate at all (which led to him being sent down), and much of the frustration centered around overusing Howry (who was already pretty bad) when Wuertz was still around.

 

Based on your use of the word "hate", it seemed pretty clear that you were being critical of Lou's decision not to use him, even after his control went away. Guess not.

[17 Seconds]

Maybe "hate" was the wrong word, but you could tell he was kind of in his doghouse. He at least could have pitched during garbage time to try to get it together. Judging by his PCL performance, that probably wouldn't have helped anyways though

[mdwilla]

the hot stove cubbies web site has a MLB.com from lee Hamilton saying trade talks are back on . Stevens/Marshall/Hart/Olson

[RedFlash]

the hot stove cubbies web site has a MLB.com from lee Hamilton saying trade talks are back on . Stevens/Marshall/Hart/Olson

 

If that is true, I doubt both Marshall and Olson will be included, it would be one or the other. Not to mention Vitters would be included.

[mdwilla]

if someone can google it , it says Vitters is off the table, I would post story but I'm on the iPhone .

[tfarks]

I like the idea of keeping Vitters.

[Sever82]

Wow, some of you either have a short memory or can't read. I posted this earlier today, go to Chicagocubsonline.com, the report is posted on there. Lee Hamilton basically emplies that his sources say vitters isn't involved and its all pitching going to SD. Man apparently it worthless posting links cause someone either reposts it or someone reads it and then forgets they read it.

[PrimeTime]

http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2009/01/cubsrumors12009.php

[tfarks]

Wow, some of you either have a short memory or can't read. I posted this earlier today, go to Chicagocubsonline.com, the report is posted on there. Lee Hamilton basically emplies that his sources say vitters isn't involved and its all pitching going to SD. Man apparently it worthless posting links cause someone either reposts it or someone reads it and then forgets they read it.

 

Wow. Relax guy. I've just been reading the last page of the thread every other day with all the non-news riff-raft. Don't believe my literacy should be questioned over that.

[Little Slide Rooter]

OK, I'll play along:

 

Where did I ever say anything about his struggles being due to being underused last season?

 

wuertz would have as much work as gregg if he was actually used and lou didn't hate him.

 

 

??? I think you're misreading the second quote or something. Where did I ever say anything about the reasoning for his struggles? I never did. Read it again. The other dude was citing IP totals for some reason, as though he was possibly implying that Wuertz is injury prone or something. I don't know. All I said was that a big reason his IP totals were low was that Lou never used him. I never said anything about that affecting his performance.

 

Oh, and it's obvious Lou wasn't a fan, but Lou is not a fan of any reliever who comes in and walks guys

 

And you are? I don't get why are being critical of Lou here, other than for the sake of being critical

 

Don't you remember that stretch of the season where Wuertz was on the roster but never ever pitched, even in garbage time? I remember it being discussed plenty of here and the game threads being full of "is Wuertz dead?" posts every day for like 3 straight weeks. I'm not really even criticizing Lou for it, I was just pointing out that he was on the roster but wasn't be used. It was just a simple observation.

 

Sure, I recall the discussions about Wuertz, but I also recall that many of his walks occurred while he was making more frequent appearences. Shortly after that he couldn't find the plate at all (which led to him being sent down), and much of the frustration centered around overusing Howry (who was already pretty bad) when Wuertz was still around.

 

Based on your use of the word "hate", it seemed pretty clear that you were being critical of Lou's decision not to use him, even after his control went away. Guess not.

 

I remember the Is Wuertz dead talk. It was basically when Howry, Hart and co. were serving up batting practice to anyone interested

[Clem Fandango]

Wow, some of you either have a short memory or can't read. I posted this earlier today, go to Chicagocubsonline.com, the report is posted on there. Lee Hamilton basically emplies that his sources say vitters isn't involved and its all pitching going to SD. Man apparently it worthless posting links cause someone either reposts it or someone reads it and then forgets they read it.

 

You talking about this?

 

http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2009/01/cubsrumors12009.php

 

I just found it, it's awesome just like I am. Who wants to touch me?

 

Yeesh, this isn't a contest.

[Clem Fandango]

Oh and if this rumor is true and Hendry can swing a deal for Peavy without giving up Vitters, then holy crap I'll crap myself