Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[wekse]

oh mercy...the "the reds will be good in a couple years" prediction.

 

people say this every year, yet they still manage to finish towards the bottom of the standings.

[erik316wttn]

The Reds are going to be a pain in a few years. Especially if Bailey lives up to what he's supposed to be.

 

Not if Dusty is still at the helm, they won't.

[fromthestretch]

Can't say I dsagree with much of this except that i don;t see them missing Dunn as much with Bruces continued improvement. If he does hit for higher average and does approach Dunns SLG, he will be more important despite a lower OBP. Sort of like Soriano to Dunn. Dunn gets 70 more BB's than Sori, but Fons gets 50 more hits. Both have value.

 

While they both have value, Dunn still avoids making outs when he's not getting hits. That's key. Even if he's not driving in runs, he's giving the guys behind him a runner to drive in. Don't get me wrong, I think Bruce is going to be a very good hitter. His walk rate may even improve as he matures as a hitter. But even if he gets his OBP up to .330 while matching Dunn's slugging, .330 + .520 is less than .380 + .520.

 

The Reds weren't very good at getting on base when Dunn was on the team. They're going to be even worse at it without him.

[somechick]

am I the only one aware that Affeldt is now with San Francisco?

 

 

:-k

[Hairyducked Idiot]

am I the only one aware that Affeldt is now with San Francisco?

 

 

:-k

 

You aren't now.

[wade]

Can't say I dsagree with much of this except that i don;t see them missing Dunn as much with Bruces continued improvement. If he does hit for higher average and does approach Dunns SLG, he will be more important despite a lower OBP. Sort of like Soriano to Dunn. Dunn gets 70 more BB's than Sori, but Fons gets 50 more hits. Both have value.

 

While they both have value, Dunn still avoids making outs when he's not getting hits. That's key. Even if he's not driving in runs, he's giving the guys behind him a runner to drive in. Don't get me wrong, I think Bruce is going to be a very good hitter. His walk rate may even improve as he matures as a hitter. But even if he gets his OBP up to .330 while matching Dunn's slugging, .330 + .520 is less than .380 + .520.

 

The Reds weren't very good at getting on base when Dunn was on the team. They're going to be even worse at it without him.

 

Especially if their coach gets his way. It's an easy shot to make at Dusty, but he really does devalue one of the things that would make the Reds better offensively.

[The Other 15]

Fair enough, we can remove Affeldt from the core of the Reds.

 

My final statement on this (since I'm tired of making a point on the Reds behalf) is that if the question is "who is there to fear more in the NL Central," I will say that no one is the correct answer.

 

When the question becomes, "Who has more talent and can become a threat in the foreseeable future- Reds or Cards?" My answer is the Reds. Outside of Pujols (no age necessary), Ankiel (28), Ludwick (29), Molina (25) and Wainwright (26), there is nothing on that roster that can sustain long term success without a new infusion of talent. Especially on the pitching side.

That roster, without further infusion of talent, has reached its potential. I don't know what the potential of the Reds is, but I can see that they have room for growth.

[reds44]

Oh wow I was on a Cubs board and Reds argument. I'll add in my two cents.

 

-Bruce, if he pans out, projects to be better than. He hit 21 homers in 413 ABs as a 21 year old. His body is nowhere near it's peak, and he projects to hit just as many HRs as Dunn has. There is a slight chance that Bruce turns into the absolute pud that Dunn did (and I am a Dunn fan, but that's just a fact), but assuming he doesn't Bruce is going to be a plus outfielder. Dunn is a lifetime .247 hitter, Bruce will be up around .280 which will allow him to drive in more runs than Dunn did. I understand everyone's opinon on counting stats, but if Bruce hits .280 and hits 35+ homers his walk totals will go up. Add in his plus defense and Bruce will be better than Dunn.

 

-Harang won't get any better? We'll which Harang are you talking about? Does anybody honestly think he will go 6-17 with a 4.78 ERA again next year when he posted 4 consecutive sub 4 ERA seasons? Not going to happen. Harang will be back to pre 2008 Harang this year, which means he will be improved. As for the rest of the pitching staff, Volquez last year will be as good as he'll ever be and he'll probably regress a little this year. With that being said, he'll still be sub 4 ERA with 200 innings and 200 Ks. Cueto should take a step forward this year in his progression. He'll end up in a year or two being just as good, if not better, than Volquez. There's always the off chance that Bailey pulls his head out of his ass, but I don't expect it.

 

-I will agree with those who don't see Votto improving that much, but I also don't see anything wrong with that. .300/.368/.506 isn't anything to bat an eye at. I expect to see his average go down a bit and his power go up. Phillips and (especially) Encarnacion are two guys who have the ability to bust out at any minute. I like Encarnacion's offense more than Phillips. I'm honestly not sure what to expect out of Chris Dickerson. He reminds me of Phillips in that he has a lot of talent, but not real sure what to do with it.

 

One thing is for sure though, you don't have to worry about the Reds this year. Not until they solve their LF and SS problem.

[UMFan83]

oh mercy...the "the reds will be good in a couple years" prediction.

 

people say this every year, yet they still manage to finish towards the bottom of the standings.

 

I don't think every other year has anything to do with this year. Take the Cubs for example. People said they'd never win the World Series because of their history of curses and follies, and then just last ye-

 

Oh wait, scratch this post.

[jersey cubs fan]

-Harang won't get any better? We'll which Harang are you talking about? Does anybody honestly think he will go 6-17 with a 4.78 ERA again next year when he posted 4 consecutive sub 4 ERA seasons? Not going to happen. Harang will be back to pre 2008 Harang this year, which means he will be improved. As for the rest of the pitching staff, Volquez last year will be as good as he'll ever be and he'll probably regress a little this year. With that being said, he'll still be sub 4 ERA with 200 innings and 200 Ks. Cueto should take a step forward this year in his progression. He'll end up in a year or two being just as good, if not better, than Volquez. There's always the off chance that Bailey pulls his head out of his ass, but I don't expect it.

 

You are ignoring the Dusty factor. Two of these guys will probably die this year.

[haubrich91]

The Reds are going to be a pain in a few years. Especially if Bailey lives up to what he's supposed to be.

 

Not if Dusty is still at the helm, they won't.

 

He'll be gone by a couple of years.

[reds44]

The Reds are going to be a pain in a few years. Especially if Bailey lives up to what he's supposed to be.

 

Not if Dusty is still at the helm, they won't.

 

He'll be gone by a couple of years.

He'll be gone after this year if we suck again (which we will).

[reds44]

-Harang won't get any better? We'll which Harang are you talking about? Does anybody honestly think he will go 6-17 with a 4.78 ERA again next year when he posted 4 consecutive sub 4 ERA seasons? Not going to happen. Harang will be back to pre 2008 Harang this year, which means he will be improved. As for the rest of the pitching staff, Volquez last year will be as good as he'll ever be and he'll probably regress a little this year. With that being said, he'll still be sub 4 ERA with 200 innings and 200 Ks. Cueto should take a step forward this year in his progression. He'll end up in a year or two being just as good, if not better, than Volquez. There's always the off chance that Bailey pulls his head out of his ass, but I don't expect it.

 

You are ignoring the Dusty factor. Two of these guys will probably die this year.

Dusty was no worse than Jerry Narron when it comes to pitcher abuse.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

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-Harang won't get any better? We'll which Harang are you talking about? Does anybody honestly think he will go 6-17 with a 4.78 ERA again next year when he posted 4 consecutive sub 4 ERA seasons?

 

No, he didn't. He posted three. Four seasons ago, he had a season very similar to this season, and he's now 31 with 675 innings on his arm in the last three years.

 

He's past his peak and showing it.

[reds44]

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-Harang won't get any better? We'll which Harang are you talking about? Does anybody honestly think he will go 6-17 with a 4.78 ERA again next year when he posted 4 consecutive sub 4 ERA seasons?

 

No, he didn't. He posted three. Four seasons ago, he had a season very similar to this season, and he's now 31 with 675 innings on his arm in the last three years.

 

He's past his peak and showing it.

He is past his prime, I agree.

 

That doesn't mean he's going to go 6-17 again this year.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

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-Harang won't get any better? We'll which Harang are you talking about? Does anybody honestly think he will go 6-17 with a 4.78 ERA again next year when he posted 4 consecutive sub 4 ERA seasons?

 

No, he didn't. He posted three. Four seasons ago, he had a season very similar to this season, and he's now 31 with 675 innings on his arm in the last three years.

 

He's past his peak and showing it.

He is past his prime, I agree.

 

That doesn't mean he's going to go 6-17 again this year.

 

Who said anything about 6-17? Couldn't care less about his 6-17.

[SouthSideRyan]

-Harang won't get any better? We'll which Harang are you talking about? Does anybody honestly think he will go 6-17 with a 4.78 ERA again next year when he posted 4 consecutive sub 4 ERA seasons? Not going to happen. Harang will be back to pre 2008 Harang this year, which means he will be improved. As for the rest of the pitching staff, Volquez last year will be as good as he'll ever be and he'll probably regress a little this year. With that being said, he'll still be sub 4 ERA with 200 innings and 200 Ks. Cueto should take a step forward this year in his progression. He'll end up in a year or two being just as good, if not better, than Volquez. There's always the off chance that Bailey pulls his head out of his ass, but I don't expect it.

 

You are ignoring the Dusty factor. Two of these guys will probably die this year.

Dusty was no worse than Jerry Narron when it comes to pitcher abuse.

 

He'll be a whole lot worse in Wily Taveras abuse. That is to say he'll abuse Reds fans with Wily Taveras. Cause he's terrible.

[Backtobanks]

Getting back to the original topic, if we get Peavy we don't have to worry about the Reds, Cards, Brewers, Astros, or Pirates. To tell the truth, I don't think we have to worry about any of them even if we don't get Peavy.

[wade]

The Reds are going to be a pain in a few years. Especially if Bailey lives up to what he's supposed to be.

 

Not if Dusty is still at the helm, they won't.

 

He'll be gone by a couple of years.

He'll be gone after this year if we suck again (which we will).

 

And then I may worry about the Reds more.

[umpunk]

I open the last page to see if there has been anything new on Peavy to Cubs and find that the thread is talking about Dusty and the Reds. I'm not trying to start a fight, but are there rumors floating around someplace about them possibly getting Peavy? Should I be going to back pages to find out or has this thread has wandered?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I open the last page to see if there has been anything new on Peavy to Cubs and find that the thread is talking about Dusty and the Reds. I'm not trying to start a fight, but are there rumors floating around someplace about them possibly getting Peavy? Should I be going to back pages to find out or has this thread has wandered?

 

The thread title has the most recent major news referenced.

[RedVerbs]

Fair enough, we can remove Affeldt from the core of the Reds.

 

My final statement on this (since I'm tired of making a point on the Reds behalf) is that if the question is "who is there to fear more in the NL Central," I will say that no one is the correct answer.

 

When the question becomes, "Who has more talent and can become a threat in the foreseeable future- Reds or Cards?" My answer is the Reds. Outside of Pujols (no age necessary), Ankiel (28), Ludwick (29), Molina (25) and Wainwright (26), there is nothing on that roster that can sustain long term success without a new infusion of talent. Especially on the pitching side.

That roster, without further infusion of talent, has reached its potential. I don't know what the potential of the Reds is, but I can see that they have room for growth.

 

With Pujols, Wainwright, Ankiel, Ludwick, Molina, there's also Rasmus, Wallace, Perez, Daryl Jones, Jaime Garcia, Jesse Todd, who will be on the team in the next season or two. That is a strong nucleus of "young" talent.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Cubs' New Owner Might Push For Peavy

By Ben Jones [January 9 at 5:35pm CST]

Barry Rozner of the Daily Herald (Arlington Heights, Ill.) believes a new Chicago Cubs owner might increase general manager Jim Hendry's payroll budget, which would make room to acquire Cy Young Award winner Jake Peavy from the San Diego Padres. Especially if that new owner is Tom Ricketts.

 

Ricketts will want to win and win fast, so if it's him and it happens soon his first call might be to GM Jim Hendry with the news that he can up the payroll and get Peavy out of San Diego, Rozner writes.

 

Ricketts is the CEO of a Chicago investment bank named Incapital. Rozner wrote that Ricketts is a local guy who loves the Cubs and will have only their "best interests at heart. He even, reportedly, met his wife in the bleachers at Wrigley."

 

Peavy has been the subject of trade rumors since the offseason began, and the Cubs have been mentioned often in the same sentence.

 

I dont know much about Ricketts, but I already like him very much.

[SouthSideRyan]

With Pujols, Wainwright, Ankiel, Ludwick, Molina, there's also Rasmus, Wallace, Perez, Daryl Jones, Jaime Garcia, Jesse Todd, who will be on the team in the next season or two. That is a strong nucleus of "young" talent.

 

Half those guys will amount to nothing. Brett Wallace's 200 professional ABs really has you writing him in the lineup for the next 10 years? Daryl Jones? Jesse Todd? If you're only going to worry about what a guy did last season, what's Rasmus doing on there when he sucked out loud last year?

[scs_paradise]

sweet...a two page conversation that has nothing to do with the topic. Perhaps if people want to discuss the future of the Reds they could do it in...oh I don't know...another topic??

 

With all due respect, there are people who can't monitor this website constantly, so when we return to see many new pages added to the "PEAVY" thread one figures there must be news or rumors. To then sift through many many posts of Reds garbage becomes a waste of one's time.