Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[dew1679666265]

There seem to be several posters beginning to suspect the Cubs are maxed out on payroll, and I think I'm going to have to join them.

 

We heard reports of it earlier, but as usual, reports that no one wants to hear around here were roundly dismissed.

Escalating contracts are coming back to bite them

 

The crappy economy is probably hurting worse right now.

[Soul]

There seem to be several posters beginning to suspect the Cubs are maxed out on payroll, and I think I'm going to have to join them.

 

We heard reports of it earlier, but as usual, reports that no one wants to hear around here were roundly dismissed.

Escalating contracts are coming back to bite them

 

The crappy economy is probably hurting worse right now.

 

And also the Tribune declaring bankuptcy. That has a way of changing everything.

 

I'm starting to think Hendry just got cut off at the knees.

[dew1679666265]

There seem to be several posters beginning to suspect the Cubs are maxed out on payroll, and I think I'm going to have to join them.

 

We heard reports of it earlier, but as usual, reports that no one wants to hear around here were roundly dismissed.

Escalating contracts are coming back to bite them

 

The crappy economy is probably hurting worse right now.

 

And also the Tribune declaring bankuptcy. That has a way of changing everything.

 

I'm starting to think Hendry just got cut off at the knees.

 

If that's the case, though, where is the $5 million for Aaron Miles coming from? And why wasn't it used for somebody who could contribute positively?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If that's the case, though, where is the $5 million for Aaron Miles coming from? And why wasn't it used for somebody who could contribute positively?

 

It came from the DeRosa savings, and they think he can contribute positively.

[Monco]

They've always had a budget and they still do.Their budget went up slightly as it usually does.But,the long term contracts have escalated faster than the budget increase and Dempsters signing have pushed them to the max. In the past they've had room,now if the want to sign someone,they have to juggle money.

[BigbadB]

If that's the case, though, where is the $5 million for Aaron Miles coming from? And why wasn't it used for somebody who could contribute positively?

 

It came from the DeRosa savings, and they think he can contribute positively.

 

If they were financially strapped, they had no business offering 10m a year for Bradley. How much savings is there from removing Marquis and DeRosa's contract, only to add Bradley, Miles, Gathright and Vizcaino?

 

The Cubs had players to trade to get a lefty bat. Luke Scott, Hermida, Hawpe, Kubel, etc... And they could have made those trades without having to give up DeRosa.

[jersey cubs fan]

If that's the case, though, where is the $5 million for Aaron Miles coming from? And why wasn't it used for somebody who could contribute positively?

 

It came from the DeRosa savings, and they think he can contribute positively.

 

If they were financially strapped, they had no business offering 10m a year for Bradley. How much savings is there from removing Marquis and DeRosa's contract, only to add Bradley, Miles, Gathright and Vizcaino?

 

The Cubs had players to trade to get a lefty bat. Luke Scott, Hermida, Hawpe, Kubel, etc... And they could have made those trades without having to give up DeRosa.

 

Unfortunately it's become painfully obvious they didn't want a lefty bat. They wanted multiple lefty bats at every position. They are going to struggle all year looking for right handed help.

[BigbadB]

If that's the case, though, where is the $5 million for Aaron Miles coming from? And why wasn't it used for somebody who could contribute positively?

 

It came from the DeRosa savings, and they think he can contribute positively.

 

If they were financially strapped, they had no business offering 10m a year for Bradley. How much savings is there from removing Marquis and DeRosa's contract, only to add Bradley, Miles, Gathright and Vizcaino?

 

The Cubs had players to trade to get a lefty bat. Luke Scott, Hermida, Hawpe, Kubel, etc... And they could have made those trades without having to give up DeRosa.

 

Unfortunately it's become painfully obvious they didn't want a lefty bat. They wanted multiple lefty bats at every position. They are going to struggle all year looking for right handed help.

 

I like Bradley a lot when he is actually playing. I'm utterly shocked, however, that a guy who played a total of 21 games in the outfield last year has gotten a 30m contract to play the outfield. And that the Cubs traded their depth at that position to get him.

[Monco]

If that's the case, though, where is the $5 million for Aaron Miles coming from? And why wasn't it used for somebody who could contribute positively?

 

It came from the DeRosa savings, and they think he can contribute positively.

 

If they were financially strapped, they had no business offering 10m a year for Bradley. How much savings is there from removing Marquis and DeRosa's contract, only to add Bradley, Miles, Gathright and Vizcaino?

 

The Cubs had players to trade to get a lefty bat. Luke Scott, Hermida, Hawpe, Kubel, etc... And they could have made those trades without having to give up DeRosa.

 

Unfortunately it's become painfully obvious they didn't want a lefty bat. They wanted multiple lefty bats at every position. They are going to struggle all year looking for right handed help.

 

Finding another right handed bat will be for next off-season.

[jersey cubs fan]

If that's the case, though, where is the $5 million for Aaron Miles coming from? And why wasn't it used for somebody who could contribute positively?

 

It came from the DeRosa savings, and they think he can contribute positively.

 

If they were financially strapped, they had no business offering 10m a year for Bradley. How much savings is there from removing Marquis and DeRosa's contract, only to add Bradley, Miles, Gathright and Vizcaino?

 

The Cubs had players to trade to get a lefty bat. Luke Scott, Hermida, Hawpe, Kubel, etc... And they could have made those trades without having to give up DeRosa.

 

Unfortunately it's become painfully obvious they didn't want a lefty bat. They wanted multiple lefty bats at every position. They are going to struggle all year looking for right handed help.

 

Finding another right handed bat will be for next off-season.

 

depends on who wins the world series

[JWCUB]

I think Hendry is just getting all his ducks in a row for the new ownership. Sign Bradley, the big lefty bat he wanted. Then he will present the new owner with "We traded away Marquis and Derosa salary in order to clear some payroll and gain more pitching prospects for a move we would like to make. However, this move requires you to grant us x amount of dollars more in payroll flexability to move forward with it." If all the remaining perspective new owners are breathing, then they are aware of the whole Jake Peavy situation. I think Hendry has set it up just about as well as he can for the time being. I think he just has to get the go ahead from the new owner.

[dew1679666265]

I think Hendry is just getting all his ducks in a row for the new ownership. Sign Bradley, the big lefty bat he wanted. Then he will present the new owner with "We traded away Marquis and Derosa salary in order to clear some payroll and gain more pitching prospects for a move we would like to make. However, this move requires you to grant us x amount of dollars more in payroll flexability to move forward with it." If all the remaining perspective new owners are breathing, then they are aware of the whole Jake Peavy situation. I think Hendry has set it up just about as well as he can for the time being. I think he just has to get the go ahead from the new owner.

 

Making all those moves and then hoping that new ownership - that isn't even in place yet - will agree to increase the budget immediately is pretty poor planning. Even if it ultimately works out.

[dew1679666265]

If that's the case, though, where is the $5 million for Aaron Miles coming from? And why wasn't it used for somebody who could contribute positively?

 

It came from the DeRosa savings, and they think he can contribute positively.

 

If they were financially strapped, they had no business offering 10m a year for Bradley. How much savings is there from removing Marquis and DeRosa's contract, only to add Bradley, Miles, Gathright and Vizcaino?

 

The Cubs had players to trade to get a lefty bat. Luke Scott, Hermida, Hawpe, Kubel, etc... And they could have made those trades without having to give up DeRosa.

 

Unfortunately it's become painfully obvious they didn't want a lefty bat. They wanted multiple lefty bats at every position. They are going to struggle all year looking for right handed help.

 

I like Bradley a lot when he is actually playing. I'm utterly shocked, however, that a guy who played a total of 21 games in the outfield last year has gotten a 30m contract to play the outfield. And that the Cubs traded their depth at that position to get him.

 

And the Cubs have payroll issues as well. I wasn't the biggest Bradley fan before, now I'm really not liking him.

[Monco]

They would probably want to add at the deadline also. I can't believe asking for a budget increase by the new owners is being considered.

[mcgoobs]

There seem to be several posters beginning to suspect the Cubs are maxed out on payroll, and I think I'm going to have to join them.

 

We heard reports of it earlier, but as usual, reports that no one wants to hear around here were roundly dismissed.

 

I think the issue is that the Cubs are maxed out on payroll, under the current ownership (or lack thereof). The optimistic view would be that one of the reasons Hendry made the DeRosa trade was to stockpile pitching prospects that Towers' approved of, and once the ownership situation is squared away Hendry now has the pieces in place to pull the trigger on a Peavy deal.

[Backtobanks]

If that's the case, though, where is the $5 million for Aaron Miles coming from? And why wasn't it used for somebody who could contribute positively?

 

It came from the DeRosa savings, and they think he can contribute positively.

 

If they were financially strapped, they had no business offering 10m a year for Bradley. How much savings is there from removing Marquis and DeRosa's contract, only to add Bradley, Miles, Gathright and Vizcaino?

 

The Cubs had players to trade to get a lefty bat. Luke Scott, Hermida, Hawpe, Kubel, etc... And they could have made those trades without having to give up DeRosa.

 

Unfortunately it's become painfully obvious they didn't want a lefty bat. They wanted multiple lefty bats at every position. They are going to struggle all year looking for right handed help.

 

Finding another right handed bat will be for next off-season.

 

Don't forget that Miles and Bradley are switch hitters, so if they're in the lineup you have plenty of righties.

[dew1679666265]

There seem to be several posters beginning to suspect the Cubs are maxed out on payroll, and I think I'm going to have to join them.

 

We heard reports of it earlier, but as usual, reports that no one wants to hear around here were roundly dismissed.

 

I think the issue is that the Cubs are maxed out on payroll, under the current ownership (or lack thereof). The optimistic view would be that one of the reasons Hendry made the DeRosa trade was to stockpile pitching prospects that Towers' approved of, and once the ownership situation is squared away Hendry now has the pieces in place to pull the trigger on a Peavy deal.

 

I find it hard to believe Towers likes these prospects, though, because he likes finesse type pitchers. These are hard throwing, high upside risks - Hendry's favorite type.

[JeffH]

There seem to be several posters beginning to suspect the Cubs are maxed out on payroll, and I think I'm going to have to join them.

 

We heard reports of it earlier, but as usual, reports that no one wants to hear around here were roundly dismissed.

 

I think the issue is that the Cubs are maxed out on payroll, under the current ownership (or lack thereof). The optimistic view would be that one of the reasons Hendry made the DeRosa trade was to stockpile pitching prospects that Towers' approved of, and once the ownership situation is squared away Hendry now has the pieces in place to pull the trigger on a Peavy deal.

 

The most likely scenario is that Hendry was not permitted to add any salary until after new ownership is in place.

 

I believe that Hendry could have traded for a non-Bradley RF, but doing so would have used up some of the pieces he'll need to complete a trade for Peavy, which he believes he can still do.

 

For some reason, he wasn't willing to wait any longer to add Bradley. Maybe Bradley's agent told him that they were going to pick a landing spot soon or maybe Hendry just feared that would happen and he'd be left with less-desirable (in his mind) choices Abreu and Dunn and less leverage.

 

As such, the DeRosa trade was simply to create payroll room to add Bradley. I'm hoping that Hendry signed Miles as a second class replacement for DeRosa, thinking that he may be able to add a more genuine replacement (Teahen) later in the offseason.

 

If that's the way it winds up playing out, I will be quite pleased (except for paying Aaron F. Miles $2+).

[RynoRules]

 

If that's the way it winds up playing out, I will be quite pleased (except for paying Aaron F. Miles $2+).

 

Woh! What's gotten into you??!!

 

;)

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

 

I'm not buying that one bit. Bradley could have been aquired without moving Derosa. Let's not forget Derosa is a bargin at 4 million per season, I'm sure Bradley's contract could have been structured to accomodate the current budget. And why trade Derosa who isn't expesnive and very productive for prospects, especially when this team is in "win now" mode? It doesn't make sense unless future deals are in the pipeline.

 

My best guess is that Hendry walked away from Towers the first time because there was something he didn't want to give up. Towers basically pointed out his "wish list" for young ML pitching and Derosa was the best chip to use to get these prospects. I wouldn't be suprised if Hendry is trying to put a package together that doesn't include Vitters.

 

DeRosa was set to make a bit over $5m this year.

 

The team may be in win now, but the owner is bankrupt the economy is a mess, the market is way down and ownership is unsettled. Why is it so hard to imagine finances would be an issue?

 

I'm just having trouble understanding this move as a straight up budget move, expecially when he then signed miles @ around 2 million/season. So that is basically 3 million savings? It isn't adding up to me. I'm guessing the main intent was to get pieces for Peavy, and a sidebar may have been that it helped free up a bit of cash for Bradley.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm just having trouble understanding this move as a straight up budget move, expecially when he then signed miles @ around 2 million/season. So that is basically 3 million savings? It isn't adding up to me. I'm guessing the main intent was to get pieces for Peavy, and a sidebar may have been that it helped free up a bit of cash for Bradley.

 

I don't know about straight up budget move. But before they had DeRosa, and now they have Miles, 3 relief prospects and $2.5m less dedicated to the 2009 payroll. Hendry likes his relievers. He also likes to blow savings on crappy veterans.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I'm just having trouble understanding this move as a straight up budget move, expecially when he then signed miles @ around 2 million/season. So that is basically 3 million savings? It isn't adding up to me. I'm guessing the main intent was to get pieces for Peavy, and a sidebar may have been that it helped free up a bit of cash for Bradley.

 

I don't know about straight up budget move. But before they had DeRosa, and now they have Miles, 3 relief prospects and $2.5m less dedicated to the 2009 payroll. Hendry likes his relievers. He also likes to blow savings on crappy veterans.

Hendry has moved up the ladder in my book to somewhat "competant" GM. I really don't want to believe that he thinks Miles is even 1/10 the player Derosa is, because if he does, then I have lost all faith in him. I had to listen to Steve Stone for an 1/2 yesterday try and convince me Aaron Miles was a good hitter. Why can't people realize this guy is pure Howry

[cubsfan26]

There seem to be several posters beginning to suspect the Cubs are maxed out on payroll, and I think I'm going to have to join them.

 

We heard reports of it earlier, but as usual, reports that no one wants to hear around here were roundly dismissed.

 

I think the issue is that the Cubs are maxed out on payroll, under the current ownership (or lack thereof). The optimistic view would be that one of the reasons Hendry made the DeRosa trade was to stockpile pitching prospects that Towers' approved of, and once the ownership situation is squared away Hendry now has the pieces in place to pull the trigger on a Peavy deal.

 

The most likely scenario is that Hendry was not permitted to add any salary until after new ownership is in place.

 

I believe that Hendry could have traded for a non-Bradley RF, but doing so would have used up some of the pieces he'll need to complete a trade for Peavy, which he believes he can still do.

 

For some reason, he wasn't willing to wait any longer to add Bradley. Maybe Bradley's agent told him that they were going to pick a landing spot soon or maybe Hendry just feared that would happen and he'd be left with less-desirable (in his mind) choices Abreu and Dunn and less leverage.

 

As such, the DeRosa trade was simply to create payroll room to add Bradley. I'm hoping that Hendry signed Miles as a second class replacement for DeRosa, thinking that he may be able to add a more genuine replacement (Teahen) later in the offseason.

 

If that's the way it winds up playing out, I will be quite pleased (except for paying Aaron F. Miles $2+).

 

 

Good post, I know the 2.2m for Miles in 09 does seem high, but the guy made 1.4m last year, and hit 317/355/753 in 134 games. So he was gonna a 500,000 to 1 million raise from someone. Honestly 2m is probably the going rate for a guy who can play as many postions as Miles and who can hit for average like he has. Giving Miles the extra 900,000 between 09-10 is overpaying a little, but I think he's 2m per year player. I know a few people will be like Miles is a league average player, and any scub could do what he does at 1m per year. But when you consider the way Miles has hit with the amount of AB's he gets, you would know thats not true. Some scub for 800,000 to 1m might be able to put up Miles numbers up for 150-200 AB's but not 400. Being a career 290/330/690 hitter averageing 400 plus AB's per year, and being able to play 2b, SS, 3b and even the outfield in a pinch will make you a 2m dollar per year player. Hendry did overpay a little, and I could have went witout the second year, but I think some are nitpicking a bit.

[jersey cubs fan]

Good post, I know the 2.2m for Miles in 09 does seem high, but the guy made 1.4m last year, and hit 317/355/753 in 134 games. So he was gonna a 500,000 to 1 million raise from someone. Honestly 2m is probably the going rate for a guy who can play as many postions as Miles and who can hit for average like he has.

 

Except he was non-tendered by his team during an offseason in which 170 something free agents are out there not getting deals because the economy is a mess and most GMs don't want to waste millions on replacable crap players.

[SouthSideRyan]

And paying for past performance is stupid.