Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[David]

Why is Marquis being considered immovable?

 

He's got one year left at, what, $12M? And he's a passable starting pitcher. That's a better option than giving some mediocre free agent money for multiple years, IMO, especially if we're giving him away and possibly eating a few $M of it.

[Roast]

Damn Marquis and his stupid contract and his big nose for holding things up.Someone please take him

 

Wait until you see what Peavy's contract does to us toward the end.

 

Yea except we'll be paying for Jake Freaking Peavy.

 

Well, if that's his name, then surely you can project how good he'll be in four seasons with strong confidence.

Really?

 

His last 5 seasons:

Year ERA ERA+

2004 2.27 171

2005 2.88 134

2006 4.09 99

2007 2.54 159

2008 2.85 134

 

He had one season that was clearly a fluke, are we really going to argue his worth?

 

I may be mis-remembering (and it also could be nothing), but aren't there concerns over the health of his elbow?

 

Possibly, he did pitch less than 200 innings last year (173) for the first time since 2004

[Butterscup1679666578]

Why is Marquis being considered immovable?

 

He's got one year left at, what, $12M? And he's a passable starting pitcher. That's a better option than giving some mediocre free agent money for multiple years, IMO, especially if we're giving him away and possibly eating a few $M of it.

 

I thought it was $9.xxx mil for this year

[David]

Why is Marquis being considered immovable?

 

He's got one year left at, what, $12M? And he's a passable starting pitcher. That's a better option than giving some mediocre free agent money for multiple years, IMO, especially if we're giving him away and possibly eating a few $M of it.

 

I thought it was $9.xxx mil for this year

 

If so, even better.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Damn Marquis and his stupid contract and his big nose for holding things up.Someone please take him

 

Wait until you see what Peavy's contract does to us toward the end.

 

Yea except we'll be paying for Jake Freaking Peavy.

 

Well, if that's his name, then surely you can project how good he'll be in four seasons with strong confidence.

Really?

 

His last 5 seasons:

Year ERA ERA+

2004 2.27 171

2005 2.88 134

2006 4.09 99

2007 2.54 159

2008 2.85 134

 

He had one season that was clearly a fluke, are we really going to argue his worth?

 

No. We're arguing how far you can project pitchers into the future.

 

We're in win-right-now-immediately mode, so I'm not poopooing the deal, but rest assured there is a strong chance we won't like the last year or two of his contract.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Why is Marquis being considered immovable?

 

He's got one year left at, what, $12M? And he's a passable starting pitcher. That's a better option than giving some mediocre free agent money for multiple years, IMO, especially if we're giving him away and possibly eating a few $M of it.

 

I thought it was $9.xxx mil for this year

 

If so, even better.

 

$9.875M, to be exact.

 

So if it's true that the Cubs would eat $4M of his contract, less than $6M a year for a league-average pitcher in this day and age is a steal.

[SouthSideRyan]

Why is Marquis being considered immovable?

 

He's got one year left at, what, $12M? And he's a passable starting pitcher. That's a better option than giving some mediocre free agent money for multiple years, IMO, especially if we're giving him away and possibly eating a few $M of it.

 

I thought it was $9.xxx mil for this year

 

If so, even better.

 

9.85M

[Roast]

Damn Marquis and his stupid contract and his big nose for holding things up.Someone please take him

 

Wait until you see what Peavy's contract does to us toward the end.

 

Yea except we'll be paying for Jake Freaking Peavy.

 

Well, if that's his name, then surely you can project how good he'll be in four seasons with strong confidence.

Really?

 

His last 5 seasons:

Year ERA ERA+

2004 2.27 171

2005 2.88 134

2006 4.09 99

2007 2.54 159

2008 2.85 134

 

He had one season that was clearly a fluke, are we really going to argue his worth?

 

No. We're arguing how far you can project pitchers into the future.

 

We're in win-right-now-immediately mode, so I'm not poopooing the deal, but rest assured there is a strong chance we won't like the last year or two of his contract.

 

Well i'm sure it's been discussed already in the 60+ pages but 2013 is a club option so we're not bound to that massive 22 Mil he's owed that year. In 2011 and 2012 he's owed 16 and 17 mil respectively, which is certainly not junk change but for a pitcher of Peavy's caliber it could be worse.

[CUBZ99]

What happened to Bruce Levine and George O. this year? I haven't heard them mentioned as being the source of any of the rumors so far.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Well i'm sure it's been discussed already in the 60+ pages but 2013 is a club option so we're not bound to that massive 22 Mil he's owed that year. In 2011 and 2012 he's owed 16 and 17 mil respectively, which is certainly not junk change but for a pitcher of Peavy's caliber it could be worse.

 

The question I'm raising is whether he'll *be* a pitcher of current Peavy caliber in 2011 and 2012. Pitchers are tough to count on.

[David]

Levine was just on.

 

Said no deal was imminent, but that doesn't mean it can't happen in the next couple of days or the next week or whatever. Towers is working hard to find something that works, while Hendry is being as passive about it as he can be in this (which isn't very passive, as he mentioned) and letting it play out a bit.

 

He said that it seems clear that Peavy has indicated that the only place he wants to go at this point is the Cubs.

 

Also said that Bradley seems to be plan A for the OF.

Edited December 9, 2008 by David

[Roast]

Well i'm sure it's been discussed already in the 60+ pages but 2013 is a club option so we're not bound to that massive 22 Mil he's owed that year. In 2011 and 2012 he's owed 16 and 17 mil respectively, which is certainly not junk change but for a pitcher of Peavy's caliber it could be worse.

 

The question I'm raising is whether he'll *be* a pitcher of current Peavy caliber in 2011 and 2012. Pitchers are tough to count on.

 

They are, but he has shown the ability to be very consistent over the past 5 years. Plus, he'll only be 28 next year and he'll only be 31 in 2012. I'm sure we will see some decline from what he is currently but generally, if I'm not mistaken, pitchers just don't fall off the map at age 30.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Levine was just on.

 

Said no deal was imminent, but that doesn't mean it can't happen in the next couple of days or the next week or whatever. Towers is working hard to find something that works, while Hendry is being as passive about it as he can be in this (which isn't very passive, as he mentioned) and letting it play out a bit.

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So does this mean I should stop checking in between here and mlbtrade rumors every chance I get hoping to read about a done deal?

[ctcf]

Levine was just on.

 

Said no deal was imminent, but that doesn't mean it can't happen in the next couple of days or the next week or whatever. Towers is working hard to find something that works, while Hendry is being as passive about it as he can be in this (which isn't very passive, as he mentioned) and letting it play out a bit.

.

 

So does this mean I should stop checking in between here and mlbtrade rumors every chance I get hoping to read about a done deal?

 

That report by Levin has at best a 50/50 shot at being true.

[Roast]

Levine was just on.

 

Said no deal was imminent, but that doesn't mean it can't happen in the next couple of days or the next week or whatever. Towers is working hard to find something that works, while Hendry is being as passive about it as he can be in this (which isn't very passive, as he mentioned) and letting it play out a bit.

.

 

So does this mean I should stop checking in between here and mlbtrade rumors every chance I get hoping to read about a done deal?

 

That report by Levin has at best a 50/50 shot at being true.

So it fits right in with this thread, basically.

[Wheelimus]

Marquis seems immovable to me. I'd rather not have him, but he won't kill us as a # 5 starter. The Mets need starting pitching. After acquiring Peavy, how about this scenario...

 

Zambrano and Theriot to the Mets for Reyes.

 

Hehe, interesting but Zambrano has a full no trade clause. And would likely kill the person who asked if he'd waive it. Hulk style.

[Blue W]

Hehe, interesting but Zambrano has a full no trade clause. And would likely kill the person who asked if he'd waive it. Hulk style.

 

Zambrano Smash!

[David]

Levine was just on.

 

Said no deal was imminent, but that doesn't mean it can't happen in the next couple of days or the next week or whatever. Towers is working hard to find something that works, while Hendry is being as passive about it as he can be in this (which isn't very passive, as he mentioned) and letting it play out a bit.

.

 

So does this mean I should stop checking in between here and mlbtrade rumors every chance I get hoping to read about a done deal?

 

 

In an hour = the next couple of days.

 

All he was really saying was that he wasn't coming on to report that a deal was about to happen.

 

So go ahead and refresh all you want.

[DubCub]

Looks like it could happen pretty soon. http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081208&content_id=3706693&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Towers is acting like a guy trying to finish off a sale that he's not sure he's going to make.

[RammyFanny]

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/12/cubs-close-to-a.html

The Jake Peavy-Cubs trade talks have reached a point where it will be a stunner if the Cubs don’t acquire Peavy, who immediately would become the best pitcher on a staff that already boasts Carlos Zambrano, Ryan Dempster, Ted Lilly and Rich Harden.

 

That’s because two general managers -– the Padres’ Kevin Towers and the Cubs’ Jim Hendry -- are working hard to make it happen. If it doesn’t happen, it’ll become one of the few trades -– maybe the first -- that couldn’t be made when BOTH general managers were motivated to get it done.

 

Towers told reporters on Monday that the Cubs were the only team he is continuing to talk to about Peavy and that making a Peavy trade was his full focus at the winter meetings. He then went out and proved it by working to facilitate a potentially four-team trade that would send Mark DeRosa to Philadelphia and Felix Pie to Baltimore and bring back pitchers Garrett Olson, J.A. Happ (the Northwestern product) and Sean Marshall for the Padres.

 

The key for that deal to work is for the Phillies or Orioles to take Jason Marquis, with the Cubs agreeing to eat some of his salary.

 

Would this be a good deal for the Cubs?

 

Getting Peavy unquestionably makes it a good deal, even though DeRosa could be missed. His departure would make the left-handed-hitting Mike Fontenot the second baseman, partially fulfilling Lou Piniella’s wish to become more balanced. The addition of a left-handed-hitting right fielder –- some reports now say Milton Bradley is at the top of their list –- would make Piniella very happy.

 

Peavy has turned in sub-3 earned run averages in four of the last five seasons, including a 2.85 mark last year. He’s been helped by Petco Park, sure, but overall he’s allowed only 315 hits in 397 innings the last two years. That figure doesn’t have much to do with Petco’s large dimensions.

 

 

DeRosa, Pie, Marquis, and Marshall? Done, done, and done (and I wound't mind Dunn either).

[Jehrico]

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/12/cubs-close-to-a.html

If it doesn’t happen, it’ll become one of the few trades -– maybe the first -- that couldn’t be made when BOTH general managers were motivated to get it done.

 

 

DeRosa, Pie, Marquis, and Marshall? Done, done, and done (and I wound't mind Dunn either).

Brian Roberts?

[Mephistopheles]

well im not sure peavy's better than harden when harden decides to not prior

[UMFan83]

Who is going to platoon with Fontenot? (Career vs. LHP = .247 .313 .370) I guess Fukudome can play RF when Bradley goes down. I thought Hendry was obsessed with versatility, its surprising that he's willing to give up DeRosa, but I'm all for selling high.

 

Soriano (guess he's still hitting leadoff)

Theriot

Lee

Bradley

Ramirez

Soto

Fontenot

Fukudome/Johnson

 

Peavy

Harden

Zambrano

Dempster

Lilly

Edited December 9, 2008 by UMFan83

[RammyFanny]

Who is going to platoon with Fontenot? (Career vs. LHP = .247 .313 .370) I guess Fukudome can play RF when Bradley goes down. I thought Hendry was obsessed with versatility, its surprising that he's willing to give up DeRosa, but I'm all for selling high.

Same here. Buy low sell high. Can't let a 34 year old (I think) solid 2B (even if he's a nice guy) get in the middle of aqcuiring a young and locked up ace. If it's Vitters or DeRo, well, sorry DeRo.