Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[SouthSideRyan]

Blah blah blah blah sample size, but I wish a team that is known for unclutch playoff performances wasn't trying to acquire a pitcher that has given up 19 ER in 15.2 playoff IP (including the 1 game playoff).

 

Blah blah blah sample size. Is there anything specific about Peavy that makes you think he's inclined to pitch poorly in the playoffs?

[jersey cubs fan]

Blah blah blah blah sample size, but I wish a team that is known for unclutch playoff performances wasn't trying to acquire a pitcher that has given up 19 ER in 15.2 playoff IP (including the 1 game playoff).

 

Blah blah blah sample size. Is there anything specific about Peavy that makes you think he's inclined to pitch poorly in the playoffs?

 

He's a gutless choking dog?

[davearm2]

Blah blah blah blah sample size, but I wish a team that is known for unclutch playoff performances wasn't trying to acquire a pitcher that has given up 19 ER in 15.2 playoff IP (including the 1 game playoff).

 

yep, it is concerning

I'm way more concerned about the declining peripherals and injury potential than I am about the possibility of a playoff collapse.

[Exile on Waveland]

Blah blah blah blah sample size, but I wish a team that is known for unclutch playoff performances wasn't trying to acquire a pitcher that has given up 19 ER in 15.2 playoff IP (including the 1 game playoff).

 

Blah blah blah sample size. Is there anything specific about Peavy that makes you think he's inclined to pitch poorly in the playoffs?

 

No, it's almost certainly a fluke because of the blah blah blah. However, he also pitched horribly in last year's play-in game (ostensibly a playoff game).

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Blah blah blah blah sample size, but I wish a team that is known for unclutch playoff performances wasn't trying to acquire a pitcher that has given up 19 ER in 15.2 playoff IP (including the 1 game playoff).

 

yep, it is concerning

I'm way more concerned about the declining peripherals and injury potential than I am about the possibility of a playoff collapse.

 

His home/road splits don't make me dance with joy.

[UMFan83]

Blah blah blah blah sample size, but I wish a team that is known for unclutch playoff performances wasn't trying to acquire a pitcher that has given up 19 ER in 15.2 playoff IP (including the 1 game playoff).

 

Blah blah blah sample size. Is there anything specific about Peavy that makes you think he's inclined to pitch poorly in the playoffs?

 

No...by blah blah blah sample size I meant that because of the sample size, there can't be any real correlation drawn between his playoff performances and what we could expect out of him in the playoffs, but its still funny to point out that for a team that struggles to put together good playoff performances from its "stars", its funny that they are trying to acquire a guy whose been as bad as Peavy has been in the playoffs. I should have worded that better.

[JWCUB]

Jake Peavy would prefer trade to Cubs?

Padres GM Kevin Towers yesterday spoke more bearishly about the prospects of a Jake Peavy trade than he has since talks began three months ago. "Atlanta has a club policy that's been in place that no one will have full no-trade protection," he said. "I don't see them bending the rules for Jake. At this point in time, that's not going to happen unless Jake changes his position on that." Braves shortstop Yunel Escobar would be part of a Peavy deal and could end up at second base if the Padres keep shortstop Khalil Greene. Some close to Peavy have expressed doubt that he would OK a trade to Atlanta, saying he would prefer the Cubs. -- San Diego Union-Tribune

 

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/rumors

 

 

 

Same old stuff..............

[inari]

This is seeming like an inevitability.

[CUBZ99]

If Hendry gets Peavy, the Wood fiasco is forgotten.

[UMFan83]

This is seeming like an inevitability.

 

Hardly. Lots of obstacles need to be overcome. If Hendry can't even offer Wood arby, the Cubs have financial issues that obviously need to be resolved before taking on Peavy's contract.

[JWCUB]

This is all just my opinion:

 

Peavy has told Towers he wants to be traded to the Cubs and he will not go to ATL.

 

Towers is just trying get Hendry to up the amount of players in a trade by using ATL.

 

Hendry knows he has to shed payroll in order to trade for Peavy.

 

The only obsticle is getting someone to take Marquis and most of his salary.

 

Peavy will be a Cub, it's just a matter of when.

[UMFan83]

This is all just my opinion:

 

Peavy has told Towers he wants to be traded to the Cubs and he will not go to ATL.

 

Towers is just trying get Hendry to up the amount of players in a trade by using ATL.

 

Hendry knows he has to shed payroll in order to trade for Peavy.

 

The only obsticle is getting someone to take Marquis and most of his salary.

 

Peavy will be a Cub, it's just a matter of when.

 

You make it seem like getting rid of Marquis and a majority of his salary will be easy. Who is going to pay $9.875M for a back of the rotation starter next year? I'm assuming the the Cubs would pick up some, but I would think the team trading for him would have to pay him at least $7M next year.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

This is all just my opinion:

 

Peavy has told Towers he wants to be traded to the Cubs and he will not go to ATL.

 

Towers is just trying get Hendry to up the amount of players in a trade by using ATL.

 

Hendry knows he has to shed payroll in order to trade for Peavy.

 

The only obsticle is getting someone to take Marquis and most of his salary.

 

Peavy will be a Cub, it's just a matter of when.

 

You make it seem like getting rid of Marquis and a majority of his salary will be easy. Who is going to pay $9.875M for a back of the rotation starter next year? I'm assuming the the Cubs would pick up some, but I would think the team trading for him would have to pay him at least $7M next year.

 

How much is a league-average starter worth for a one-year contract? Maybe not $7 million in this market, but it can't be that much less.

[BigbadB]

This is all just my opinion:

 

Peavy has told Towers he wants to be traded to the Cubs and he will not go to ATL.

 

Towers is just trying get Hendry to up the amount of players in a trade by using ATL.

 

Hendry knows he has to shed payroll in order to trade for Peavy.

 

The only obsticle is getting someone to take Marquis and most of his salary.

 

Peavy will be a Cub, it's just a matter of when.

 

You make it seem like getting rid of Marquis and a majority of his salary will be easy. Who is going to pay $9.875M for a back of the rotation starter next year? I'm assuming the the Cubs would pick up some, but I would think the team trading for him would have to pay him at least $7M next year.

 

How much is a league-average starter worth for a one-year contract? Maybe not $7 million in this market, but it can't be that much less.

 

You forgot to include the word durable. Marquis is a durable, league average starter. And there is definitely a market for that. Not at the price the Cubs are going to have to pay, but if they pick up 3 or 4m of that contract, you will definitely have some teams interested. Especially small market teams that don't have a shot at the higher end starters.

[UMFan83]

This is all just my opinion:

 

Peavy has told Towers he wants to be traded to the Cubs and he will not go to ATL.

 

Towers is just trying get Hendry to up the amount of players in a trade by using ATL.

 

Hendry knows he has to shed payroll in order to trade for Peavy.

 

The only obsticle is getting someone to take Marquis and most of his salary.

 

Peavy will be a Cub, it's just a matter of when.

 

You make it seem like getting rid of Marquis and a majority of his salary will be easy. Who is going to pay $9.875M for a back of the rotation starter next year? I'm assuming the the Cubs would pick up some, but I would think the team trading for him would have to pay him at least $7M next year.

 

How much is a league-average starter worth for a one-year contract? Maybe not $7 million in this market, but it can't be that much less.

 

You forgot to include the word durable. Marquis is a durable, league average starter. And there is definitely a market for that. Not at the price the Cubs are going to have to pay, but if they pick up 3 or 4m of that contract, you will definitely have some teams interested. Especially small market teams that don't have a shot at the higher end starters.

 

True, and its not a long term commitment as he will be a FA after this year. I still don't think its as easy as saying 'all we have to do is get rid of marquis and we have Peavy". I don't think there will be a market for Marquis until several of the middle range FA starters get signed.

[JWCUB]

This is all just my opinion:

 

Peavy has told Towers he wants to be traded to the Cubs and he will not go to ATL.

 

Towers is just trying get Hendry to up the amount of players in a trade by using ATL.

 

Hendry knows he has to shed payroll in order to trade for Peavy.

 

The only obsticle is getting someone to take Marquis and most of his salary.

 

Peavy will be a Cub, it's just a matter of when.

 

You make it seem like getting rid of Marquis and a majority of his salary will be easy. Who is going to pay $9.875M for a back of the rotation starter next year? I'm assuming the the Cubs would pick up some, but I would think the team trading for him would have to pay him at least $7M next year.

 

I'm not sure where you see that I think it would be easy. It won't be. If that is what you read into that, then I am sorry. That's not what I meant.

[BigbadB]

True, and its not a long term commitment as he will be a FA after this year. I still don't think its as easy as saying 'all we have to do is get rid of marquis and we have Peavy". I don't think there will be a market for Marquis until several of the middle range FA starters get signed.

 

I don't really see all that many "middle range FA starters" as being available. Even guys like Oliver Perez and Jon Garland are going to command dollars that small market teams can't afford. I suppose there could be a few nontenders out there, but it would be a real shocker that teams are so fruitful with starting pitchers that they can afford to nontender one.

 

A guy like Randy Johnson isn't going to sign with KC. He'll get a deal with a team that has a reasonable chance to make the playoffs, or he will take his toys and go home.

[davearm2]

This is all just my opinion:

 

Peavy has told Towers he wants to be traded to the Cubs and he will not go to ATL.

 

Towers is just trying get Hendry to up the amount of players in a trade by using ATL.

 

Hendry knows he has to shed payroll in order to trade for Peavy.

 

The only obsticle is getting someone to take Marquis and most of his salary.

 

Peavy will be a Cub, it's just a matter of when.

I agree with all of this, except for maybe the part about Towers trying to leverage Hendry with ATL. If he was doing that, then he'd be pretty dumb to come out and say that he doesn't expect Peavy to go there because of the Braves' policy against issuing NTCs.

 

My take is that Towers and Hendry have the framework for a 4- or 5-for-1 deal in place. It's on Hendry now to a) clear some salary, most likely by trading Marquis, and b) come up with a pitcher from a third team, possibly Olson from BAL.

 

IMO once Hendry gets over those two hurdles, this thing will be a go.

[Derwood]

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2008/11/30/the-dugout-the-hot-stove-league/

[LetsPlayTwo1679629188]

This is all just my opinion:

 

Peavy has told Towers he wants to be traded to the Cubs and he will not go to ATL.

 

Towers is just trying get Hendry to up the amount of players in a trade by using ATL.

 

Hendry knows he has to shed payroll in order to trade for Peavy.

 

The only obsticle is getting someone to take Marquis and most of his salary.

 

Peavy will be a Cub, it's just a matter of when.

 

You make it seem like getting rid of Marquis and a majority of his salary will be easy. Who is going to pay $9.875M for a back of the rotation starter next year? I'm assuming the the Cubs would pick up some, but I would think the team trading for him would have to pay him at least $7M next year.

 

If Marquis is the only obstacle, why don't we just give him to Baltimore with Pie? It seems to me they'd be glad to take Marquis and Pie for Olson. I don't necessarily like just giving Marquis away like that, but it sure is worth it to me to dump his $9.875 salary and net us Peavy. Am I missing something?

[TheDude]

This is seeming like an inevitability.

 

Hardly. Lots of obstacles need to be overcome. If Hendry can't even offer Wood arby, the Cubs have financial issues that obviously need to be resolved before taking on Peavy's contract.

 

Where do you arrive at "can't"? By all appearances, it's more "won't", as he prefers to go with the younger and cheaper options on the team. This doesn't look like a regrettable hands-tied move, it looks like a strategic redistribution of resources.

[biittner77]

True, and its not a long term commitment as he will be a FA after this year. I still don't think its as easy as saying 'all we have to do is get rid of marquis and we have Peavy". I don't think there will be a market for Marquis until several of the middle range FA starters get signed.

 

I don't really see all that many "middle range FA starters" as being available. Even guys like Oliver Perez and Jon Garland are going to command dollars that small market teams can't afford. I suppose there could be a few nontenders out there, but it would be a real shocker that teams are so fruitful with starting pitchers that they can afford to nontender one.

 

A guy like Randy Johnson isn't going to sign with KC. He'll get a deal with a team that has a reasonable chance to make the playoffs, or he will take his toys and go home.

 

A couple weeks ago I heard someone on MLB radio talking about FA pitchers. That person (Buck Martinez I think) said that a FA pitcher usually costs $1 million per win. Based on what starters are getting lately this seems pretty accurate. If a team could get Marquis for 5 million on a one year deal they'd probably consider that a bargain.

 

We all hate Marquis but he could help a lot of teams by eating innings to protect their younger pitchers. There's also the walk year factor.

[UMFan83]

This is seeming like an inevitability.

 

Hardly. Lots of obstacles need to be overcome. If Hendry can't even offer Wood arby, the Cubs have financial issues that obviously need to be resolved before taking on Peavy's contract.

 

Where do you arrive at "can't"? By all appearances, it's more "won't", as he prefers to go with the younger and cheaper options on the team. This doesn't look like a regrettable hands-tied move, it looks like a strategic redistribution of resources.

 

Why wouldn't he offer arby and get the draft picks when Kerry leaves? Because he's worried about Kerry accepting arbitration. And why is he worried? Because he doesn't want to have to pay Wood $9 million to play baseball next year. His hands were actually tied in this decision. Why else would he forego potential first round draft picks?

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2008/11/30/the-dugout-the-hot-stove-league/

 

man, does the dugout suck these days.

[Cubswin11]

True, and its not a long term commitment as he will be a FA after this year. I still don't think its as easy as saying 'all we have to do is get rid of marquis and we have Peavy". I don't think there will be a market for Marquis until several of the middle range FA starters get signed.

 

I don't really see all that many "middle range FA starters" as being available. Even guys like Oliver Perez and Jon Garland are going to command dollars that small market teams can't afford. I suppose there could be a few nontenders out there, but it would be a real shocker that teams are so fruitful with starting pitchers that they can afford to nontender one.

 

A guy like Randy Johnson isn't going to sign with KC. He'll get a deal with a team that has a reasonable chance to make the playoffs, or he will take his toys and go home.

 

A couple weeks ago I heard someone on MLB radio talking about FA pitchers. That person (Buck Martinez I think) said that a FA pitcher usually costs $1 million per win. Based on what starters are getting lately this seems pretty accurate. If a team could get Marquis for 5 million on a one year deal they'd probably consider that a bargain.

 

We all hate Marquis but he could help a lot of teams by eating innings to protect their younger pitchers. There's also the walk year factor.

Agreed, for as much as Marquis is disliked around here he is really a average #4 starter and above average #5 starter. His salary might be a little inflated for his production but I am sure Hendry can find a team to take him on for $6-7 mil for this season, if we can make up the remaining $2.5-3.5 mil I think it's a decent deal if we can get back prospect(s), or a piece to complete the Peavy trade. Add in the fact that Marquis is in his last year of his contract, usually players perform better in contract seasons, $6-7 mil for 11-13 wins isn't all that bad plus it is almost guaranteed he pitches 180-200 innings, which makes him more attractive to teams with younger pitchers/injury prone pitchers. If Olsen is really the missing piece in the Peavy trade, a Pie+Marquis@$6-7 mil for Olsen+a prospect isn't all that bad of a trade, and I would think Marquis has some appeal to the Orioles as they have younger pitching and they probably want a guy that is going to take the ball every 5 days and go close to 200 innings and win 12 games.