Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[Sosa21MVP]

Okay, no one in the world was saying Bobby Hill for Aramis Ramirez was a bad idea. No one.

 

oh yeah they did

 

Yes, I can vouch for this. The Ramirez/Lofton trade was met with a lot of mixed emotions and the overall tone at the time was negative.

 

The Lofton part of the trade excited me at the time.

[Backtobanks]

Okay, no one in the world was saying Bobby Hill for Aramis Ramirez was a bad idea. No one.

 

oh yeah they did

 

Yes, I can vouch for this. The Ramirez/Lofton trade was met with a lot of mixed emotions and the overall tone at the time was negative.

 

The Lofton part of the trade excited me at the time.

 

I sure don't remember any mixed emotions. It seems to me that everyone (including the writers) thought that the Cubs were the big winners in the deal.

[BigbadB]

10 days? It happens before t-day.

 

You must have missed the memo. MLB announced earlier today that Thanksgiving is getting pushed back 10 days, also.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Okay, no one in the world was saying Bobby Hill for Aramis Ramirez was a bad idea. No one.

 

oh yeah they did

 

Yes, I can vouch for this. The Ramirez/Lofton trade was met with a lot of mixed emotions and the overall tone at the time was negative.

 

The Lofton part of the trade excited me at the time.

 

I sure don't remember any mixed emotions. It seems to me that everyone (including the writers) thought that the Cubs were the big winners in the deal.

 

This is right. Everyone thought the Cubs got a good deal, but some were simultaneously upset at what had become of the 2B situation(Hill never getting a legitimate shot). No one thought "I can't believe we're giving up Bobby Hill for just Ramirez and Lofton".

[UMFan83]

People weren't all sold of Ramirez either with his poor 2002, mediocre start to 2003 and his horrible defense. But obviously most people considered him an upgrade over Lenny Harris.

[erik316wttn]

Okay, no one in the world was saying Bobby Hill for Aramis Ramirez was a bad idea. No one.

 

oh yeah they did

 

Yes, I can vouch for this. The Ramirez/Lofton trade was met with a lot of mixed emotions and the overall tone at the time was negative.

 

The Lofton part of the trade excited me at the time.

 

I sure don't remember any mixed emotions. It seems to me that everyone (including the writers) thought that the Cubs were the big winners in the deal.

 

This is right. Everyone thought the Cubs got a good deal, but some were simultaneously upset at what had become of the 2B situation(Hill never getting a legitimate shot). No one thought "I can't believe we're giving up Bobby Hill for just Ramirez and Lofton".

 

I remember when Kelton, Montanez, Hill, and Choi were the "Infield of the Future"

[Fred Hornkohl]

 

I remember when Kelton, Montanez, Hill, and Choi were the "Infield of the Future"

 

Hell, I remember when air was clean and sex was dirty. :wink:

[Ding Dong Johnson]

 

I remember when Kelton, Montanez, Hill, and Choi were the "Infield of the Future"

 

Hell, I remember when air was clean and sex was dirty. :wink:

it's amazing you remember anything at your age

[erik316wttn]

 

I remember when Kelton, Montanez, Hill, and Choi were the "Infield of the Future"

 

Hell, I remember when air was clean and sex was dirty. :wink:

it's amazing you remember anything at your age

 

ZING!!

[Fred Hornkohl]

 

I remember when Kelton, Montanez, Hill, and Choi were the "Infield of the Future"

 

Hell, I remember when air was clean and sex was dirty. :wink:

it's amazing you remember anything at your age

 

ZING!!

 

God grant me the Senility to forget the people I never liked anyway, the good fortune to run into the ones I do, and the eyesight to tell the difference.

[Electron Blue]

 

I remember when Kelton, Montanez, Hill, and Choi were the "Infield of the Future"

 

Hell, I remember when air was clean and sex was dirty. :wink:

it's amazing you remember anything at your age

 

ZING!!

 

God grant me the Senility to forget the people I never liked anyway, the good fortune to run into the ones I do, and the eyesight to tell the difference.

 

:-))

[Post Count Padder]

Can I assume this trade hasn't happened yet?

[BigbadB]

The latest report has the Padres and Cubs taking a 10 day hiatus from trade negotiations. My guess is that they will resume talks on Monday or Tuesday of next week.

[ThePenguin11]

I don't know if anyone has suggested this...but does anybody think that the whole reason the Cubs were so publicly mentioned as candidates for Peavy was to put pressure on Dempster to sign with the Cubs quickly and for less money? I can envision the Cubs getting involved with Peavy so that they could call Demp's bluff and show him that they were ready to move on.

 

By saying that they would still go for Dempster even if they trade for Peavy (or visa versa), they increase their value to Dempster as a major contender (just as much as it might to Peavy). Dempster barely even got a chance to see what the market would bear so the whole thing just seems suspicious to me in a familiar cub-like way.

[Backtobanks]

I don't know if anyone has suggested this...but does anybody think that the whole reason the Cubs were so publicly mentioned as candidates for Peavy was to put pressure on Dempster to sign with the Cubs quickly and for less money? I can envision the Cubs getting involved with Peavy so that they could call Demp's bluff and show him that they were ready to move on.

 

By saying that they would still go for Dempster even if they trade for Peavy (or visa versa), they increase their value to Dempster as a major contender (just as much as it might to Peavy). Dempster barely even got a chance to see what the market would bear so the whole thing just seems suspicious to me in a familiar cub-like way.

 

I'm sure that had something to do with it, but all the sources were predicting Dempster was going to re-sign with the Cubs from the beginning.

[JWCUB]

Jake Peavy Rumors: Monday

By Tim Dierkes [November 24 at 5:51pm CST]

SI.com's Jon Heyman has the latest on the Jake Peavy trade talks, after talking to Padres GM Kevin Towers.

 

Towers seems to think the Cubs are a more likely suitor for Peavy than the Braves. The Cubs have obstacles - their ownership/financial situation is in flux, and they'll need a third team to get the Padres the players they want. But Towers hasn't spoken to the Braves in weeks, and they may object to Peavy's desire for a full no-trade clause.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

 

 

More of the same.

[Sosa21MVP]

Okay, no one in the world was saying Bobby Hill for Aramis Ramirez was a bad idea. No one.

 

oh yeah they did

 

Yes, I can vouch for this. The Ramirez/Lofton trade was met with a lot of mixed emotions and the overall tone at the time was negative.

 

The Lofton part of the trade excited me at the time.

 

I sure don't remember any mixed emotions. It seems to me that everyone (including the writers) thought that the Cubs were the big winners in the deal.

 

I'm just talking about the reaction here on NSBB. I distinctly recall more than a little negative reaction here. I was surprised because I considered it a pretty good deal at the time.

[Ski]

Jake Peavy Rumors: Monday

By Tim Dierkes [November 24 at 5:51pm CST]

SI.com's Jon Heyman has the latest on the Jake Peavy trade talks, after talking to Padres GM Kevin Towers.

 

Towers seems to think the Cubs are a more likely suitor for Peavy than the Braves. The Cubs have obstacles - their ownership/financial situation is in flux, and they'll need a third team to get the Padres the players they want. But Towers hasn't spoken to the Braves in weeks, and they may object to Peavy's desire for a full no-trade clause.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

 

 

More of the same.

Just trade him to us so we can start gloating about having the best rotation in baseball (assuming Dempster does well).

[Clem Fandango]

Jake Peavy Rumors: Monday

By Tim Dierkes [November 24 at 5:51pm CST]

SI.com's Jon Heyman has the latest on the Jake Peavy trade talks, after talking to Padres GM Kevin Towers.

 

Towers seems to think the Cubs are a more likely suitor for Peavy than the Braves. The Cubs have obstacles - their ownership/financial situation is in flux, and they'll need a third team to get the Padres the players they want. But Towers hasn't spoken to the Braves in weeks, and they may object to Peavy's desire for a full no-trade clause.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

 

 

More of the same.

Just trade him to us so we can start gloating about having the best rotation in baseball (assuming Dempster does well).

 

If we got Peavy, we'd have the best rotation in baseball even if Dempster doesn't do well

[Soul]

Okay, no one in the world was saying Bobby Hill for Aramis Ramirez was a bad idea. No one.

 

oh yeah they did

 

Yes, I can vouch for this. The Ramirez/Lofton trade was met with a lot of mixed emotions and the overall tone at the time was negative.

 

The Lofton part of the trade excited me at the time.

 

I sure don't remember any mixed emotions. It seems to me that everyone (including the writers) thought that the Cubs were the big winners in the deal.

 

I'm just talking about the reaction here on NSBB. I distinctly recall more than a little negative reaction here. I was surprised because I considered it a pretty good deal at the time.

 

What I remember most was some guy in one of the power rankings saying "the Cubs will find Ramirez and Lofton aren't enough, and will fade out of the race" or something like that. Which was pretty funny when we began our run and won the division.

[SouthSideRyan]

Okay, no one in the world was saying Bobby Hill for Aramis Ramirez was a bad idea. No one.

 

oh yeah they did

 

Yes, I can vouch for this. The Ramirez/Lofton trade was met with a lot of mixed emotions and the overall tone at the time was negative.

 

The Lofton part of the trade excited me at the time.

 

I sure don't remember any mixed emotions. It seems to me that everyone (including the writers) thought that the Cubs were the big winners in the deal.

 

I'm just talking about the reaction here on NSBB. I distinctly recall more than a little negative reaction here. I was surprised because I considered it a pretty good deal at the time.

 

What I remember most was some guy in one of the power rankings saying "the Cubs will find Ramirez and Lofton aren't enough, and will fade out of the race" or something like that. Which was pretty funny when we began our run and won the division.

 

Neyer had a comment along those lines.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

What I remember most was some guy in one of the power rankings saying "the Cubs will find Ramirez and Lofton aren't enough, and will fade out of the race" or something like that. Which was pretty funny when we began our run and won the division.

 

If Wood, Prior and (half the time) Zambrano hadn't pitched some of the best baseball of their careers simultaneously, it would have been true.

[17 Seconds]

What I remember most was some guy in one of the power rankings saying "the Cubs will find Ramirez and Lofton aren't enough, and will fade out of the race" or something like that. Which was pretty funny when we began our run and won the division.

 

If Wood, Prior and (half the time) Zambrano hadn't pitched some of the best baseball of their careers simultaneously, it would have been true.

 

But at the time they got Ramirez/Lofton they had already established that the top of their rotation was dominant.

[mdwilla]

• • On the continued rumblings -- notably out of San Diego -- that the Cubs still might be pursuing starting pitching, such as the Padres' Jake Peavy or free agent Randy Johnson, even after the Ryan Dempster signing: ''No. Starting we don't need. We're set. We've got six good starters [including Sean Marshall], and they're all experienced. Getting Dempster back was the key. We're in good shape with our starting pitching. Bullpen-wise, [we're looking for] possibly one more experienced pitcher. We've got a lot of young kids out there.''

 

Even though the bullpen as it stands figures to have only one left-hander (Neal Cotts), plus swing man Marshall, Piniella said experience would be a bigger factor than left-handedness.

Piniella said he sees second baseman Mike Fontenot as part of the solution in achieving some of the left-right balance he seeks for the lineup. He plans to work Fontenot into the lineup more often to increase his at-bats from last season's 243 -- which produced a .305 average, a .514 slugging percentage and a .395 on-base percentage.

 

''You look at his contribution last year, it's darn good,'' Piniella said. ''We're going to give him some playing time at shortstop -- we'll see in spring training if he can do that -- and if not, depending on what we do or don't do, we'll give him some [more] playing time at second.''

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1297404,CST-SPT-cub25.article

[17 Seconds]

Hmm. Lou sounded awfully confident that Hendry was done with the rotation.