Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[Clem Fandango]

Don't make me come back here and talk about 56 at-bats again

[17 Seconds]

Don't make me come back here and talk about 56 at-bats again

 

don't make me talk about monsters and the tooth fairy

[mfische5]

Can we just unlock the other thread and merge this? They both keep getting sidetracked (and will no matter what is done) and we could atleast have the fun of having one Roberts style super thread again...go back to seeing if we can beat last years thread.

[17 Seconds]

Can we just unlock the other thread and merge this? They both keep getting sidetracked (and will no matter what is done) and we could atleast have the fun of having one Roberts style super thread again...go back to seeing if we can beat last years thread.

 

Well this thread will always get sidetracked since there's rarely

anything new to discuss on the subject.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Can we just unlock the other thread and merge this? They both keep getting sidetracked (and will no matter what is done) and we could atleast have the fun of having one Roberts style super thread again...go back to seeing if we can beat last years thread.

there was nothing fun or super about the Roberts thread

[mfische5]

Can we just unlock the other thread and merge this? They both keep getting sidetracked (and will no matter what is done) and we could atleast have the fun of having one Roberts style super thread again...go back to seeing if we can beat last years thread.

there was nothing fun or super about the Roberts thread

 

Oh i disagree, I think from a retrospective standpoint its futility was quite hilarious.

[Backtobanks]

teix is a better defender than lee, anyway, and isnt he the reason to get rid of lee in the first place

 

So we're trading Zambrano, Lee, and Derosa for salary relief to get Peavy and then we're going to sign Tex for $200 million. #-o #-o #-o

[SweetZombieJesus]

teix is a better defender than lee, anyway, and isnt he the reason to get rid of lee in the first place

 

So we're trading Zambrano, Lee, and Derosa for salary relief to get Peavy and then we're going to sign Tex for $200 million. #-o #-o #-o

 

Don't forget the super valuable Neil Cotts and Michael Wuertz

[Derwood]

Can we just unlock the other thread and merge this? They both keep getting sidetracked (and will no matter what is done) and we could atleast have the fun of having one Roberts style super thread again...go back to seeing if we can beat last years thread.

there was nothing fun or super about the Roberts thread

 

wrigley23 was pretty awesome

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Bruce in his latest blog indicates the Cubs are still interested in Peavy, but trading for him may not be the top priority.

 

Link.

[Cubswin11]

With Utley having surgery and being out for a while could there be any way we could work a 3-way with them? Do they have any good prospects? We could send them Derosa and maybe Hart and a low level prospect for Kyle Kednrick and flip Kendrick and others to the Padres for Peavy. Trading Dero would free up some salary for Peavy, we could then sign a guy like Loretta or Cintron to take the super utility role and play one of those two with Fontenot at 2B or we could sign a SS (Renteria, Furcal) and move Theriot to 2B.

[mdwilla]

With Utley having surgery and being out for a while could there be any way we could work a 3-way with them? Do they have any good prospects? We could send them Derosa and maybe Hart and a low level prospect for Kyle Kednrick and flip Kendrick and others to the Padres for Peavy. Trading Dero would free up some salary for Peavy, we could then sign a guy like Loretta or Cintron to take the super utility role and play one of those two with Fontenot at 2B or we could sign a SS (Renteria, Furcal) and move Theriot to 2B.

 

The Philles plan as of now is to move there Top prospect over to Second this spring for a tryout , he has been playing 2b and ss in the AFL. They have had talks about bringing back So Taughci to handle 2B like he did during other Utley injury spells.

[BigbadB]

With Utley having surgery and being out for a while could there be any way we could work a 3-way with them? Do they have any good prospects? We could send them Derosa and maybe Hart and a low level prospect for Kyle Kednrick and flip Kendrick and others to the Padres for Peavy. Trading Dero would free up some salary for Peavy, we could then sign a guy like Loretta or Cintron to take the super utility role and play one of those two with Fontenot at 2B or we could sign a SS (Renteria, Furcal) and move Theriot to 2B.

 

The Philles plan as of now is to move there Top prospect over to Second this spring for a tryout , he has been playing 2b and ss in the AFL. They have had talks about bringing back So Taughci to handle 2B like he did during other Utley injury spells.

 

You probably meant Tadahito Iguchi. Kendrick might be a half way decent combo with Marshall for San Diego's rotation. I would imagine that the Phillies are probably ready to give Carlos Carrasco a chance at the big league level at this point, making Kendrick expendable.

 

Realistically, very few teams are willing to trade their "Tommy Hanson's" to other teams for expensive alternatives, so if Towers was expecting a "Tommy Hanson type prospect in return, it's probably shooting a bit too high. I'm sure the reason the Yankees were a team Towers has interest was due to Phil Hughes. Not gonna happen, once again. Ian Kennedy, sure. Kei Igawa. Most likely. Joba Chamberlain? Not a chance.

[17 Seconds]

teix is a better defender than lee, anyway, and isnt he the reason to get rid of lee in the first place

 

So we're trading Zambrano, Lee, and Derosa for salary relief to get Peavy and then we're going to sign Tex for $200 million. #-o #-o #-o

 

Once again, nobody said we should trade all those guys so we could get Peavy. DeRosa and Lee were single ideas and the only person who mentioned Zambrano was pretty much saying it tongue in cheek

[Sever82]

I feel that Lee, Marquis, Theriot should not be untouchable for trades. Theriot in my opinion is a liability because his arm does not belong at shortstop, second or even backup catch in the bullpen. Marquis is going to be tough to trade because of his contract, if the cubs can get away with dumping Marquis for nothing and just getting rid of his contract, i'd do it. As for Lee, he should be traded cause he still has some value and letting his contract go would free up some cap space and also free the cubs up of some many double plays. If the cubs can get rid of Lee, theriot and Marquis and in return put Peavy, Furcal in the lineup, then its a no brainer. The Dempster signing and the possibililty of getting Teahen are probably two of the biggest mistakes we could do. I honestly think Dempster's season last year was basically an Esteban Loaiza occurence. If the cubs really had to pick between dempster and peavy and they choose dempster, i will be highly dissapointed. Its obvious peavy wants to be here and if its either peavy or a LH hitter, i'd rather leave Fukudome and get peavy, pitchings wins championship not offense.

[UMFan83]

teix is a better defender than lee, anyway, and isnt he the reason to get rid of lee in the first place

 

Using which metric? Admittedly, I only have a basic understanding of advanced fielding statistics, but Lee lead the NL (full season) in 1B Defensive Win shares with 2.7, while Tiex had a combined 2.8 with Tex/Atl. That doesn't seem to suggest a huge gap. Maybe there is a statistic I am overlooking (and I'm sure there is).

 

Either way, looking up that number surprised me because it looked like Lee had slipped big time defensively the last few years...and while it looks like he has, again using win shares, it hasn't been a huge dropoff, and he's still among the league's best.

 

2008: 2.7 (1st)

2007: 3.2 (1st)

2005: 3.0 (1st)

2004: 3.4 (2nd)

[SouthSideRyan]

IIRC, defensive win shares are crap.

[BigbadB]

I feel that Lee, Marquis, Theriot should not be untouchable for trades. Theriot in my opinion is a liability because his arm does not belong at shortstop, second or even backup catch in the bullpen. Marquis is going to be tough to trade because of his contract, if the cubs can get away with dumping Marquis for nothing and just getting rid of his contract, i'd do it. As for Lee, he should be traded cause he still has some value and letting his contract go would free up some cap space and also free the cubs up of some many double plays. If the cubs can get rid of Lee, theriot and Marquis and in return put Peavy, Furcal in the lineup, then its a no brainer. The Dempster signing and the possibililty of getting Teahen are probably two of the biggest mistakes we could do. I honestly think Dempster's season last year was basically an Esteban Loaiza occurence. If the cubs really had to pick between dempster and peavy and they choose dempster, i will be highly dissapointed. Its obvious peavy wants to be here and if its either peavy or a LH hitter, i'd rather leave Fukudome and get peavy, pitchings wins championship not offense.

 

Welcome to the forum. I'm hoping for a little more from Dempster than Esteban Loiaza, but I understand the skepticism.

 

I'll also be upset if they don't get Peavy. I'm also confused as to why they made a trade with the Marlins when the clear favorite trade chip the Marlins had was Hermida.

[Backtobanks]

teix is a better defender than lee, anyway, and isnt he the reason to get rid of lee in the first place

 

So we're trading Zambrano, Lee, and Derosa for salary relief to get Peavy and then we're going to sign Tex for $200 million. #-o #-o #-o

 

Once again, nobody said we should trade all those guys so we could get Peavy. DeRosa and Lee were single ideas and the only person who mentioned Zambrano was pretty much saying it tongue in cheek

 

I'm not so sure that you can speak for other posters. After reading the unbridled passion that some posters have for Peavy, I'm not sure some people wouldn't trade a few of these guys. My point is that this trade is very similar to the Roberts talk last year: we would love to have him, but we don't absolutely need him. That's especially true if you are going to impact the starting lineup or gut the farm system to get him. When posters talk about trading Lee or DeRosa with no clue as to who would replace them, that's irrational. This is a team that won 97 games last year.

[17 Seconds]

teix is a better defender than lee, anyway, and isnt he the reason to get rid of lee in the first place

 

So we're trading Zambrano, Lee, and Derosa for salary relief to get Peavy and then we're going to sign Tex for $200 million. #-o #-o #-o

 

Once again, nobody said we should trade all those guys so we could get Peavy. DeRosa and Lee were single ideas and the only person who mentioned Zambrano was pretty much saying it tongue in cheek

 

I'm not so sure that you can speak for other posters. After reading the unbridled passion that some posters have for Peavy, I'm not sure some people wouldn't trade a few of these guys. My point is that this trade is very similar to the Roberts talk last year: we would love to have him, but we don't absolutely need him. That's especially true if you are going to impact the starting lineup or gut the farm system to get him. When posters talk about trading Lee or DeRosa with no clue as to who would replace them, that's irrational. This is a team that won 97 games last year.

 

Show me who is saying that we should trade all those guys.

 

No clue who owuld replace them? Actually it has been discussed pretty openly who would replace those guys.

 

Yet again though, noboy is saying we should trade all those guys. They were individual ideas on trading indivudal players. You're being irrational by saying that people want to trade all of them when in reality nobody is saying that.

 

And yeah, this team won 97 games. That was last year. We're building a team for this year. A lot of things will change. We aren't going to get Edmonds freakish summer production. It's highly unlikely Dempster will have an ERA under 3 again. It's unlikely that DeRosa will put up an .857 OPS, Fontenot will put up a .900+ OPS, etc, etc. A lot can change.

 

Really I'm just worried about the rotation. That might sound ridiculous, but think about it. Harden is pretty much a lock to miss significant time, and what is Dempster goes back to being Dempster? It's very possible. Then where are we? Zambano and a bunch of 4-4.50 ERA starters. That worries me.

[Illini Iceman]

Bruce in his latest blog indicates the Cubs are still interested in Peavy, but trading for him may not be the top priority.

 

Link.

 

I still remember the hue and cry a few years ago when the Cubs lost lefty Andy Sisco to the Royals in the Rule 5. As it turned out, that didn’t hurt the Cubs at all.

 

You all know who you are.

[Backtobanks]

teix is a better defender than lee, anyway, and isnt he the reason to get rid of lee in the first place

 

So we're trading Zambrano, Lee, and Derosa for salary relief to get Peavy and then we're going to sign Tex for $200 million. #-o #-o #-o

 

Once again, nobody said we should trade all those guys so we could get Peavy. DeRosa and Lee were single ideas and the only person who mentioned Zambrano was pretty much saying it tongue in cheek

 

I'm not so sure that you can speak for other posters. After reading the unbridled passion that some posters have for Peavy, I'm not sure some people wouldn't trade a few of these guys. My point is that this trade is very similar to the Roberts talk last year: we would love to have him, but we don't absolutely need him. That's especially true if you are going to impact the starting lineup or gut the farm system to get him. When posters talk about trading Lee or DeRosa with no clue as to who would replace them, that's irrational. This is a team that won 97 games last year.

 

Show me who is saying that we should trade all those guys.

 

No clue who owuld replace them? Actually it has been discussed pretty openly who would replace those guys.

 

Yet again though, noboy is saying we should trade all those guys. They were individual ideas on trading indivudal players. You're being irrational by saying that people want to trade all of them when in reality nobody is saying that.

 

And yeah, this team won 97 games. That was last year. We're building a team for this year. A lot of things will change. We aren't going to get Edmonds freakish summer production. It's highly unlikely Dempster will have an ERA under 3 again. It's unlikely that DeRosa will put up an .857 OPS, Fontenot will put up a .900+ OPS, etc, etc. A lot can change.

 

Really I'm just worried about the rotation. That might sound ridiculous, but think about it. Harden is pretty much a lock to miss significant time, and what is Dempster goes back to being Dempster? It's very possible. Then where are we? Zambano and a bunch of 4-4.50 ERA starters. That worries me.

 

While I agree that Harden will probably miss some starts, I don't think Dempster is going to regress as much as many posters do. Granted he might not have the numbers that he had last year, but I think he will be decent. Zambrano and Lilly should post numbers similar to last year. Unless he's traded, Marshall is a solid replacement for Harden and the #5 spot. As for Marquis, I would assume he will be traded, but the biggest knock on Marquis in the #5 spot is his salary. He's not great, but comparing him to other #5 starters shows that he's not bad (just overpaid). I don't think there's any reason to think DeRosa will regress because his numbers have been consistent ever since he's been a regular. I think the offense will be okay assuming we get a LH RF to platoon with DeRosa and Johnson. Without knowing what deals are going to be made in the next few months, I would expect the Cubs to be over 90 wins and NL Central Champs. All of us would love to add Peavy, but he's a luxury and not a necessity.

[anabiono]

peavy really is peanuts when it comes with filling the leadoff position

[imb]

Bruce in his latest blog indicates the Cubs are still interested in Peavy, but trading for him may not be the top priority.

 

Link.

 

I still remember the hue and cry a few years ago when the Cubs lost lefty Andy Sisco to the Royals in the Rule 5. As it turned out, that didn’t hurt the Cubs at all.

 

You all know who you are.

 

i i was looking at old threads on desipio the other day for some reason and there was a really good one where people were like "WE ROSTERED THAT WORTHLESS IDIOT GEOVANY SOTO AND LET ANDY SISCO GO???!?!??!?"

[Bull]

Bruce in his latest blog indicates the Cubs are still interested in Peavy, but trading for him may not be the top priority.

 

Link.

 

I still remember the hue and cry a few years ago when the Cubs lost lefty Andy Sisco to the Royals in the Rule 5. As it turned out, that didn’t hurt the Cubs at all.

 

You all know who you are.

 

Siscooooooooo