Roberts still at top of wishlist/ Expected to try for CC

[Ding Dong Johnson]

There's alot of people who consider him to be just a small step behind Pujols as an elite hitter.

where are these people?

[jersey cubs fan]

There's alot of people who consider him to be just a small step behind Pujols as an elite hitter.

where are these people?

 

Seriously, any sane man knows Dunn is at least two steps ahead of Pujols, owing to his LH stance.

[Jehrico]

There's alot of people who consider him to be just a small step behind Pujols as an elite hitter.

where are these people?

All over this board. The man love for Dunn on this board exceeds that for every player in the league whose first name doesn't start with Geo.

[Warren Brusstar]

There's alot of people who consider him to be just a small step behind Pujols as an elite hitter.

where are these people?

All over this board. The man love for Dunn on this board exceeds that for every player in the league whose first name doesn't start with Geo.

 

Or Kent

[Sammy Sofa]

Is Brian Roberts the answer? Is he worth what the Cubs will have to give up? I don't know but, I do know the Cubs need someone who consistently gets on base ahead the 3,4,5 spots in order. I don't know who that is however, I do know who it isn't - Alfonso Soriano.

 

Yeah, that damn Soriano simply does not score runs as a leadoff hitter. DAMN HIMMMMMMM.

[anabiono]

Is Brian Roberts the answer? Is he worth what the Cubs will have to give up? I don't know but, I do know the Cubs need someone who consistently gets on base ahead the 3,4,5 spots in order. I don't know who that is however, I do know who it isn't - Alfonso Soriano.

 

Yeah, that damn Soriano simply does not score runs as a leadoff hitter. DAMN HIMMMMMMM.

 

crap

 

actually, it would be nice to have someone with a higher OBP than soriano

[Sammy Sofa]

Is Brian Roberts the answer? Is he worth what the Cubs will have to give up? I don't know but, I do know the Cubs need someone who consistently gets on base ahead the 3,4,5 spots in order. I don't know who that is however, I do know who it isn't - Alfonso Soriano.

 

Yeah, that damn Soriano simply does not score runs as a leadoff hitter. DAMN HIMMMMMMM.

 

he said he wants someone with higher OBP not the ability to score runs

 

But you want those guys on base...so they can eventually score runs.

 

Unless a gritty run counts for more, PUH-SHAW.

 

I'm not saying Soriao needs to be hitting leadoff, but it's not like he's been damaging up there. People talk like all his runs are crippling the team.

[anabiono]

Is Brian Roberts the answer? Is he worth what the Cubs will have to give up? I don't know but, I do know the Cubs need someone who consistently gets on base ahead the 3,4,5 spots in order. I don't know who that is however, I do know who it isn't - Alfonso Soriano.

 

Yeah, that damn Soriano simply does not score runs as a leadoff hitter. DAMN HIMMMMMMM.

 

he said he wants someone with higher OBP not the ability to score runs

 

But you want those guys on base...so they can eventually score runs.

 

Unless a gritty run counts for more, PUH-SHAW.

 

I'm not saying Soriao needs to be hitting leadoff, but it's not like he's been damaging up there. People talk like all his runs are crippling the team.

 

you punk...why did you have to catch that before i edited it?

 

:beee:

[17 Seconds]

Is Brian Roberts the answer? Is he worth what the Cubs will have to give up? I don't know but, I do know the Cubs need someone who consistently gets on base ahead the 3,4,5 spots in order. I don't know who that is however, I do know who it isn't - Alfonso Soriano.

 

Why? You're acting like our 3-4-5 hitters are Pujols/Arod/Manny and our 6-7-8 guys are Nieifi/Macias/Patterson. Our lineup this season was extremely balanced...the 3-4-5 wasn't really significantly better than the 6-7-8. so I don't see why getting on base in front of Lee is anymore important than getting on base in front of...say...DeRosa.

[17 Seconds]

How is Dunn overrated? Smart people know he's a great hitter (or slugger, or whatever you want to call it). That's not overrating him, that's just the truth.

Dunn is overrated. There's alot of people who consider him to be just a small step behind Pujols as an elite hitter, when he's not even close.

 

He's regarded as comparable in value to players like Berkman, Utley, H Ramirez, Chipper Jones, etc.

 

Some people seem to think of him as highly as Manny (not many, but a few) as a hitter, and he's not even close.

 

Yeah, there are also people that think Derrek Lee is still an elite hitter and that Jasom Bartlett was te MVP of the Rays this season. It's your fault for paying attention to such people.

 

Seriously, anybody who is even moderately knowledgable about baseball doesn't make those comparisons. I don't know where you're getting them.

 

Anyways, I don't really see how Dunn is overrated at all. I never here people rave about him. I never hear ESPN talk aobut how much money he's going to make this offseason. When he was traded to the Diamondbacks you barely hard anything about it outside of Arizona.

 

If anything, I think he's underrated. I much moreoften hear the "he hits for too low of an average" stuff than I hear "he's an elite hitter" type stuff.

[17 Seconds]

There's alot of people who consider him to be just a small step behind Pujols as an elite hitter.

where are these people?

All over this board. The man love for Dunn on this board exceeds that for every player in the league whose first name doesn't start with Geo.

 

Just find one post on this board that implies that Dunn is just a small step behind Pujols.

 

Just one.

[Cynosure]

There's alot of people who consider him to be just a small step behind Pujols as an elite hitter.

where are these people?

All over this board. The man love for Dunn on this board exceeds that for every player in the league whose first name doesn't start with Geo.

 

Cmon now... gotta love Dunn's sub .240 AVG... leave him alone!

[imb]

There's alot of people who consider him to be just a small step behind Pujols as an elite hitter.

where are these people?

All over this board. The man love for Dunn on this board exceeds that for every player in the league whose first name doesn't start with Geo.

 

since when does that = saying he's just a small step behind pujols? that's stupidity

 

there's demand for him on this board because he's lh, gets on base, hits for power has seemingly been on the trade block for the last few seasons and is underrated

 

not because he's a "small step behind pujols", give me a break

[rchap24]

How is Dunn overrated? Smart people know he's a great hitter (or slugger, or whatever you want to call it). That's not overrating him, that's just the truth.

Dunn is overrated. There's alot of people who consider him to be just a small step behind Pujols as an elite hitter, when he's not even close.

 

He's regarded as comparable in value to players like Berkman, Utley, H Ramirez, Chipper Jones, etc.

 

Some people seem to think of him as highly as Manny (not many, but a few) as a hitter, and he's not even close.

 

Yeah, there are also people that think Derrek Lee is still an elite hitter and that Jasom Bartlett was te MVP of the Rays this season. It's your fault for paying attention to such people.

 

Seriously, anybody who is even moderately knowledgable about baseball doesn't make those comparisons. I don't know where you're getting them.

 

Anyways, I don't really see how Dunn is overrated at all. I never here people rave about him. I never hear ESPN talk aobut how much money he's going to make this offseason. When he was traded to the Diamondbacks you barely hard anything about it outside of Arizona.

 

If anything, I think he's underrated. I much moreoften hear the "he hits for too low of an average" stuff than I hear "he's an elite hitter" type stuff.

 

I somewhat agree with both of you if that makes any sense at all. Dunn is a great power hitter and has a great OBP because he walks a ton. However I don't see how he improves this team all that much. Ok first scenario you throw him out in RF first off he god awful in the field and has no arm. Secondly he has power and does draw walks, but it's those two or bust. So is really going to help striking out with runners on? He would be a great addition to the team, but I don't think he really puts us over the edge. We'd just hit more home runs and get more walks, but in the situation when we need a hit and for him just to put into play that's where we need someone who's going to get the big hit.

[OleMissCub]

What about Lee, Cedeno, and Marquis to the Orioles for Roberts? Orioles don't have a first baseman or a shortstop, and are weak in consistent pitching starters.

[Guest]

What about Lee, Cedeno, and Marquis to the Orioles for Roberts? Orioles don't have a first baseman or a shortstop, and are weak in consistent pitching starters.

 

Orioles desperately want Tex, they'll go after him first.

[OleMissCub]

What about Lee, Cedeno, and Marquis to the Orioles for Roberts? Orioles don't have a first baseman or a shortstop, and are weak in consistent pitching starters.

 

Orioles desperately want Tex, they'll go after him first.

 

I'm no good at the transactions department. My brain doesn't work that way very good. I never submit trade ideas. You are right about Tex I'd think. However, in theory, that trade idea wouldn't be a bad one, right?

[imb]

What about Lee, Cedeno, and Marquis to the Orioles for Roberts? Orioles don't have a first baseman or a shortstop, and are weak in consistent pitching starters.

 

Orioles desperately want Tex, they'll go after him first.

 

I'm no good at the transactions department. My brain doesn't work that way very good. I never submit trade ideas. You are right about Tex I'd think. However, in theory, that trade idea wouldn't be a bad one, right?

 

it might be something they might be willing to do, but only if they strike out on teixiera. and if they whiff on him, that means that either we haven't signed him - in which case we won't be dealing lee - or that we have signed him, in which case lee suddenly has no trade value.

[Tracer Bullet]

What about Lee, Cedeno, and Marquis to the Orioles for Roberts? Orioles don't have a first baseman or a shortstop, and are weak in consistent pitching starters.

 

Orioles desperately want Tex, they'll go after him first.

 

I'm no good at the transactions department. My brain doesn't work that way very good. I never submit trade ideas. You are right about Tex I'd think. However, in theory, that trade idea wouldn't be a bad one, right?

 

it might be something they might be willing to do, but only if they strike out on teixiera. and if they whiff on him, that means that either we haven't signed him - in which case we won't be dealing lee - or that we have signed him, in which case lee suddenly has no trade value.

 

I wouldn't go that far, unless Lee has said he's only willing to go to 1 or 2 teams. If he's open to being traded to a number of teams that need a first baseman and have something the Cubs want/need, he retains a lot of his value. Just b/c he's not as valuable to the Cubs after we sign Tex doesn't mean Baltimore isn't going to want to outbid LAA or whomever.

[Guest]

What about Lee, Cedeno, and Marquis to the Orioles for Roberts? Orioles don't have a first baseman or a shortstop, and are weak in consistent pitching starters.

 

Orioles desperately want Tex, they'll go after him first.

 

I'm no good at the transactions department. My brain doesn't work that way very good. I never submit trade ideas. You are right about Tex I'd think. However, in theory, that trade idea wouldn't be a bad one, right?

 

it might be something they might be willing to do, but only if they strike out on teixiera. and if they whiff on him, that means that either we haven't signed him - in which case we won't be dealing lee - or that we have signed him, in which case lee suddenly has no trade value.

 

If the O's lose out on Tex, I think they'd be interested in Lee but they'd also prefer young talent/prospects (look at the type of guys they got for Bedard).

[Soul]

Let's just revive the Roberts thread from last year, see if we can get to 1000 pages of the same 10 posts over & over & over.

[abuck1220]

How is Dunn overrated? Smart people know he's a great hitter (or slugger, or whatever you want to call it). That's not overrating him, that's just the truth.

Dunn is overrated. There's alot of people who consider him to be just a small step behind Pujols as an elite hitter, when he's not even close. He is very good, but calling him great is probably stretching it too much. He's slow, he's one of the greatest defensive liabilities in the NL, and I'd put the over/under on his OPS+ next year at 125, which is very good, but not great. Everyone acts like he's a guy who traditionally puts up OPS+s over 150 or higher every year, when his career high OPS+ is 146, his career average is 130, and his 3 year average is about 127. That's very good, that's not great, and it doesn't consider his other liabilities. He's regarded as comparable in value to players like Berkman, Utley, H Ramirez, Chipper Jones, etc. Some people seem to think of him as highly as Manny (not many, but a few) as a hitter, and he's not even close. I think most people think he's a better hitter than Aramis, who has just as good of a 3 year average OPS+ wise (and, ironically, the exact same OPS+ this year). Aramis is comparable offensively, plays a tougher defensive position and is much better at it. Dunn is likely to get at least 15 mil a year this year, which is about what Aramis gets now. He's not worth Aramis money, not with the other holes in his game. I don't think it's a stretch at all to say that he's overrated.

 

lol...nobody thinks any of those things.

[abuck1220]

a lot of people believe ryan theriot is better than hanley ramirez...when in actuality, a quick perusal of their numbers shows that this isn't correct.

 

welp, won that argument.

[Jehrico]

How is Dunn overrated? Smart people know he's a great hitter (or slugger, or whatever you want to call it). That's not overrating him, that's just the truth.

Dunn is overrated. There's alot of people who consider him to be just a small step behind Pujols as an elite hitter, when he's not even close. He is very good, but calling him great is probably stretching it too much. He's slow, he's one of the greatest defensive liabilities in the NL, and I'd put the over/under on his OPS+ next year at 125, which is very good, but not great. Everyone acts like he's a guy who traditionally puts up OPS+s over 150 or higher every year, when his career high OPS+ is 146, his career average is 130, and his 3 year average is about 127. That's very good, that's not great, and it doesn't consider his other liabilities. He's regarded as comparable in value to players like Berkman, Utley, H Ramirez, Chipper Jones, etc. Some people seem to think of him as highly as Manny (not many, but a few) as a hitter, and he's not even close. I think most people think he's a better hitter than Aramis, who has just as good of a 3 year average OPS+ wise (and, ironically, the exact same OPS+ this year). Aramis is comparable offensively, plays a tougher defensive position and is much better at it. Dunn is likely to get at least 15 mil a year this year, which is about what Aramis gets now. He's not worth Aramis money, not with the other holes in his game. I don't think it's a stretch at all to say that he's overrated.

 

lol...nobody thinks any of those things.

Many people act like it. The respect Dunn gets is comparable to those guys.

[jersey cubs fan]

How is Dunn overrated? Smart people know he's a great hitter (or slugger, or whatever you want to call it). That's not overrating him, that's just the truth.

Dunn is overrated. There's alot of people who consider him to be just a small step behind Pujols as an elite hitter, when he's not even close. He is very good, but calling him great is probably stretching it too much. He's slow, he's one of the greatest defensive liabilities in the NL, and I'd put the over/under on his OPS+ next year at 125, which is very good, but not great. Everyone acts like he's a guy who traditionally puts up OPS+s over 150 or higher every year, when his career high OPS+ is 146, his career average is 130, and his 3 year average is about 127. That's very good, that's not great, and it doesn't consider his other liabilities. He's regarded as comparable in value to players like Berkman, Utley, H Ramirez, Chipper Jones, etc. Some people seem to think of him as highly as Manny (not many, but a few) as a hitter, and he's not even close. I think most people think he's a better hitter than Aramis, who has just as good of a 3 year average OPS+ wise (and, ironically, the exact same OPS+ this year). Aramis is comparable offensively, plays a tougher defensive position and is much better at it. Dunn is likely to get at least 15 mil a year this year, which is about what Aramis gets now. He's not worth Aramis money, not with the other holes in his game. I don't think it's a stretch at all to say that he's overrated.

 

lol...nobody thinks any of those things.

Many people act like it. The respect Dunn gets is comparable to those guys.

 

Show me his respect average then.

 

 

 

No seriously, you're making crap up.