Roberts still at top of wishlist/ Expected to try for CC

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Sign Adam Dunn for RF. Slide Kosuke to CF. Re-sign Dempster and Wood. Trade Marquis if you can. Call it an offseason.

 

Dunn would scare me. However,

 

Soriano-Fukudome-Dunn outfield? Is it worth the risk?

 

I'd keep Pie around for a late-game defensive replacement. Also, Dunn would be the long-term replacement for Lee when his contract expires.

[ELCABALLO45]

Sign Adam Dunn for RF. Slide Kosuke to CF. Re-sign Dempster and Wood. Trade Marquis if you can. Call it an offseason.

 

Dunn would scare me. However,

 

Soriano-Fukudome-Dunn outfield? Is it worth the risk?

 

I'd keep Pie around for a late-game defensive replacement. Also, Dunn would be the long-term replacement for Lee when his contract expires.

 

Never even thought of Lee. Good point.

[17 Seconds]

It wouldn't surprise me if Hendry wanted to get Roberts, slide DeRosa to RF and then let Fuku/Pie battle it out of the other half of a CF platoon with Johnson.

 

I'd much rather go hard after an impact middle of the order bat, but I don't think Hendry has the resources to sign/trade for someone like that.

[Eric Clipperton]

God, I love Adam Dunn.

 

I am pretty sure Hendry hates that type of player, but I would orgasm several times upon seeing the headline Dunn Signs With Cubs, kind of like I did upon hearing the news about Harden this summer.

I WOULD

[Eric Clipperton]

Also, I guess I am not factoring in the need for a 5th 2B when I consider the club's need for a Roberts trade.

How would you set up the Second Baseman Rotation for next year?

Personally I'd go with:

1. DeRosa - clearly earned the ACE title this year

2. Roberts - he can be our co-ace, brought in via trade

3. Theriot - converted from SS to 2B, don't know if he can handle the #3 spot in the rotation, but he's still a solid back-end 2b option for sure, and is in this spot so we can split up the lefties

4. Fontenot - he had a breakout year, I love his curveball and there isn't a better #4 2B in the league! oh i got confused with the curveball there...but you know what I mean. Hope he doesn't end the year in daytona like a certain someone

5. Cedeno - I like the riot/marquis comparison here obviously, but ronny also can conjure up that hatred in the fanbase for things such as baserunning gaffes, anyhow you may think he sucks but then you remember he's our #5 starter. How many teams have Five Starting 2B's like this! Not many. WS all the way in 2009. B-Roberts will FILL OUT THAT ROTATION.

 

Second basemen are key in the playoffs. Especially POWER second basemen.

[Cynosure]

Screw this team for already trying to toy with my emotions. I'm not ready for the hot stove yet. Try me in February.

 

Getting CC and Roberts should ease you up a bit :)

[SweetZombieJesus]

Yeah more second basemen. Let's just trade Lee and Aram for Roberts and prospects and sign Orlando Hudson.

 

Then we can have a lineup

 

C Soto

1b Fontenot

2B Roberts

3B Hudson

SS Theriot

LF Soriano

CF Pie

RF Derosa

 

Maybe they can convince Craig Biggio to come out retirement and catch and maybe sign Chris Burke to take Pie's spot

[17 Seconds]

The guys at OH are already at it again.

 

I have to say that my least favorite team in the MLB is the Cubs, if for no other reason than the fact that their fans constantly came to the hangout last off-season and ignorantly and emphatically overstated their prospects value, while vehemently denying Robert's usefulness. Stating that he wouldn't be much of an upgrade over DeRosa.

 

I can't tell you how happy I was to see DeRosa muff the sure DP in game 2 which lead to the 5 run inning, or how about that time when Soto was at third and DeRosa failed to get him how with less than 2 outs-–priceless.

 

That being said I hope this off-season doesn't turn into last off-season where every cubs fan and their mother came to the board and made it a living nightmare.

 

Somebody who posts there needs to show him the season numbers of Roberts and DeRosa and then ask him to explain how Roberts would have been a big upgrade over DeRosa.

 

As fr the second bolded pardt, ask if he was happy during the regular season when DeRosa was having a career year and outperforming Roberts. Or how about whether or not he was happy as DeRosa was one of the 2 Cubs that actually hit in the playoffs.

 

Also, somebody needs to explain to him that we wouldn't have gotten the Fontenot production if Roberts was acquired. What was the overall production from 2B for the Cubs this year?

[Eric Clipperton]

Oh yeah, I wasn't counting Soriano, forgot about him- he's like the closer that no one remembers used to be a starter, but flamed out after a brief period of starting success. He is still available for Relief 2B, but only an inning or so at a time . ha.

 

I like the idea of O DOG taking over 3rd and biggio taking over for Soto and then maybe we can re-institute the Cedeno at CF experiment. I think we can do it. I think we can someday field a lineup consisting of 8 second basemen. And if Hendry REALLY works at it, someday we can have that ninth 2B come into the game for at least one glorious inning, upon which the converted-2b Pitcher throws an inning and brings Armageddon upon the world.

[SweetZombieJesus]

The guys at OH are already at it again.

 

I have to say that my least favorite team in the MLB is the Cubs, if for no other reason than the fact that their fans constantly came to the hangout last off-season and ignorantly and emphatically overstated their prospects value, while vehemently denying Robert's usefulness. Stating that he wouldn't be much of an upgrade over DeRosa.

 

I can't tell you how happy I was to see DeRosa muff the sure DP in game 2 which lead to the 5 run inning, or how about that time when Soto was at third and DeRosa failed to get him how with less than 2 outs-–priceless.

 

That being said I hope this off-season doesn't turn into last off-season where every cubs fan and their mother came to the board and made it a living nightmare.

 

Somebody who posts there needs to show him the season numbers of Roberts and DeRosa and then ask him to explain how Roberts would have been a big upgrade over DeRosa.

 

As fr the second bolded pardt, ask if he was happy during the regular season when DeRosa was having a career year and outperforming Roberts. Or how about whether or not he was happy as DeRosa was one of the 2 Cubs that actually hit in the playoffs.

 

Also, somebody needs to explain to him that we wouldn't have gotten the Fontenot production if Roberts was acquired. What was the overall production from 2B for the Cubs this year?

 

Cubs 2nd basemen produced a 836 OPS. Meanwhile DeRosa's OPS was 20 points higher than Roberts

[17 Seconds]

The guys at OH are already at it again.

 

I have to say that my least favorite team in the MLB is the Cubs, if for no other reason than the fact that their fans constantly came to the hangout last off-season and ignorantly and emphatically overstated their prospects value, while vehemently denying Robert's usefulness. Stating that he wouldn't be much of an upgrade over DeRosa.

 

I can't tell you how happy I was to see DeRosa muff the sure DP in game 2 which lead to the 5 run inning, or how about that time when Soto was at third and DeRosa failed to get him how with less than 2 outs-–priceless.

 

That being said I hope this off-season doesn't turn into last off-season where every cubs fan and their mother came to the board and made it a living nightmare.

 

Somebody who posts there needs to show him the season numbers of Roberts and DeRosa and then ask him to explain how Roberts would have been a big upgrade over DeRosa.

 

As fr the second bolded pardt, ask if he was happy during the regular season when DeRosa was having a career year and outperforming Roberts. Or how about whether or not he was happy as DeRosa was one of the 2 Cubs that actually hit in the playoffs.

 

Also, somebody needs to explain to him that we wouldn't have gotten the Fontenot production if Roberts was acquired. What was the overall production from 2B for the Cubs this year?

 

Cubs 2nd basemen produced a 836 OPS.

 

Is it really that low? Where can I find individual positional splits?

[Derwood]

Theriot

DeRosa

Dunn

Ramirez

Soriano

Soto

Lee

Fukudome

Pitcher

 

book it

[UMFan83]

VORP:

Roberts 50.6

DeRosa 35.7

 

(BTW, Roberts VORP was higher than anyone on the Cubs)

 

EqA

Roberts .295

DeRosa .291

 

Roberts was a better player than DeRosa (in his career year), as well as younger and only slightly more expensive.

 

I didn't post this to bag on DeRosa, he had a really nice year and I like him as a player and person, but anyone who says that he outperformed Roberts is just wrong.

[SCCubbieFAN]

Bruce Miles wrote:

The Cubs will look a lot like the team that just finished this season.

 

 

and that's exactly the way it should.

 

I can only pray it doesn't. A lot these are players are streches to repeat there years, Zambrano and Harden are huge health risks. A team with this high of a payroll and we get two no shows in the playoffs two years in a row, Heads should be rolling.

 

I suggest you take a look at Joe Sheehan's article at Baseball Prospectus. The respected Sheehan says the Cubs and their fans should not lose sight of the fact that they had the best team in the NL and that nothing needs to be torn down. Joe further states that the Cubs became a victim of matchups in the NLDS. That happens in baseball. Heads should be rolling? Whose? You have a large number of players with long-term contracts and several of those with no-trade clauses. Zambrano may indeed be a health risk but he signed a multiyear contract extension for $91.5 million. This team needs some fixing. It doesn't need an overhaul.

 

Bruce, while I agree w/you that over the ENTIRE season the Cubs were the best team in the NL and gave us some very exciting moments during this past summer, what really matters is who is the better team or rather which team is playing better baseball at the end of the season. I would have to hand that to the Dodgers. They had a terrific September, and the acquision of Manny really jumpstarted their offense. The Cubs managed some nice late in the year acquisions too but with Fukudome tanking the way he did, they really missed the boat by failing to get a decent impact replacement for RF.

[SouthSideRyan]

VORP:

Roberts 50.6

DeRosa 35.7

 

(BTW, Roberts VORP was higher than anyone on the Cubs)

 

EqA

Roberts .295

DeRosa .291

 

Roberts was a better player than DeRosa (in his career year), as well as younger and only slightly more expensive.

 

I didn't post this to bag on DeRosa, he had a really nice year and I like him as a player and person, but anyone who says that he outperformed Roberts is just wrong.

 

The fact that were close makes the no-trade a very good move. Considering at least 1 if not a few pieces in that trade went to Oakland to get Harden.

[RedFlash]

VORP:

Roberts 50.6

DeRosa 35.7

 

(BTW, Roberts VORP was higher than anyone on the Cubs)

 

EqA

Roberts .295

DeRosa .291

 

Roberts was a better player than DeRosa (in his career year), as well as younger and only slightly more expensive.

 

I didn't post this to bag on DeRosa, he had a really nice year and I like him as a player and person, but anyone who says that he outperformed Roberts is just wrong.

 

And to me, VORP doesn't tell me anything about if Roberts had a better yr then DeRo. All it shows me is that the O's needed Roberts more then the Cubs need DeRo. VORP is the bimbo eye candy chick you bring to a party. It looks good on the surface but ultimately they lack any substance to stay with long term.

 

Give me DeRo/Fontenot over Roberts. That's not to say Roberts is a bad player, but his VORP is clearly based on the fact that without Roberts in the lineup, the O's are pretty much a crappy lineup.

[Buford T Justice]

Trade Derrek Lee, Sign Tex. No Adam Dunn, we already have Soriano who strikes out too much we don't need another whiffer.

[UMFan83]

VORP:

Roberts 50.6

DeRosa 35.7

 

(BTW, Roberts VORP was higher than anyone on the Cubs)

 

EqA

Roberts .295

DeRosa .291

 

Roberts was a better player than DeRosa (in his career year), as well as younger and only slightly more expensive.

 

I didn't post this to bag on DeRosa, he had a really nice year and I like him as a player and person, but anyone who says that he outperformed Roberts is just wrong.

 

The fact that were close makes the no-trade a very good move. Considering at least 1 if not a few pieces in that trade went to Oakland to get Harden.

 

I agree totally. I just wanted to point it out to the people that are bragging to the Orioles fans that DeRosa outperformed Roberts last year when he didn't.

 

If the Cubs didn't make that Harden trade, I'd argue that it wasn't a good no trade (but wasn't a bad no trade), because Roberts is younger (30 compared to 34 for DeRosa), and DeRosa's career year wasn't better than Roberts (who could be argued had one of the better years of his career also).

[David]

VORP:

Roberts 50.6

DeRosa 35.7

 

(BTW, Roberts VORP was higher than anyone on the Cubs)

 

EqA

Roberts .295

DeRosa .291

 

Roberts was a better player than DeRosa (in his career year), as well as younger and only slightly more expensive.

 

I didn't post this to bag on DeRosa, he had a really nice year and I like him as a player and person, but anyone who says that he outperformed Roberts is just wrong.

 

And to me, VORP doesn't tell me anything about if Roberts had a better yr then DeRo. All it shows me is that the O's needed Roberts more then the Cubs need DeRo. VORP is the bimbo eye candy chick you bring to a party. It looks good on the surface but ultimately they lack any substance to stay with long term.

 

Give me DeRo/Fontenot over Roberts. That's not to say Roberts is a bad player, but his VORP is clearly based on the fact that without Roberts in the lineup, the O's are pretty much a crappy lineup.

 

 

lol what?

 

do you have any idea what vorp is?

[RedFlash]

Trade Derrek Lee, Sign Tex. No Adam Dunn, we already have Soriano who strikes out too much we don't need another whiffer.

 

 

Strikeouts are overrated. Dunn is a vastly superior player to Soriano. Not the same player outside of the horrendous strike out rate.

[RedFlash]

VORP:

Roberts 50.6

DeRosa 35.7

 

(BTW, Roberts VORP was higher than anyone on the Cubs)

 

EqA

Roberts .295

DeRosa .291

 

Roberts was a better player than DeRosa (in his career year), as well as younger and only slightly more expensive.

 

I didn't post this to bag on DeRosa, he had a really nice year and I like him as a player and person, but anyone who says that he outperformed Roberts is just wrong.

 

And to me, VORP doesn't tell me anything about if Roberts had a better yr then DeRo. All it shows me is that the O's needed Roberts more then the Cubs need DeRo. VORP is the bimbo eye candy chick you bring to a party. It looks good on the surface but ultimately they lack any substance to stay with long term.

 

Give me DeRo/Fontenot over Roberts. That's not to say Roberts is a bad player, but his VORP is clearly based on the fact that without Roberts in the lineup, the O's are pretty much a crappy lineup.

 

 

lol what?

 

do you have any idea what vorp is?

 

Value over replacement player. I looked it up.

 

I do agree that DeRosa didn't have a better yr then Roberts, but that doesn't mean anything.

[David]

It has nothing to do with the player's value to his specific team.

[jersey cubs fan]

I do agree that DeRosa didn't have a better yr then Roberts, but that doesn't mean anything.

 

 

whatwhatwhat?

[SweetZombieJesus]

Trade Derrek Lee, Sign Tex. No Adam Dunn, we already have Soriano who strikes out too much we don't need another whiffer.

 

 

Strikeouts are overrated. Dunn is a vastly superior player to Soriano. Not the same player outside of the horrendous strike out rate.

 

There's not much difference IMO.

 

Soriano is Dunn of the tools first guys.

 

Dunn is the Soriano of the SABR guys.

 

Both are really flawed players.

[rchap24]

Trade Derrek Lee, Sign Tex. No Adam Dunn, we already have Soriano who strikes out too much we don't need another whiffer.

 

 

Strikeouts are overrated. Dunn is a vastly superior player to Soriano. Not the same player outside of the horrendous strike out rate.

 

I think there about even. Dunn gets the upper hand offensively, but on the other hand Soriano though not a good fielder is much much better than Dunn in the OF.