Dunn to the Dbacks

[abuck1220]

why are you guys using logic to argue with this guy? he a) made up a term and b) made up the standard that you need to meet to qualify for this made up term. it's idiotic.

 

guess what...i only like hitters that i deem "ultra mega-hitters." to qualify for this standard, you have to hit at least 31 doubles, 17 homers, wear your pants high and be from east of the mississippi. let's have 8 pages of message board argument about how dumb i am.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

let's have 8 pages of message board argument about how dumb i am.

 

As you wish.

 

I'll kick off. I say dumber than George W. Bush but less dumb than Paris Hilton.

[reggiemiller rules]

This might be the greatstet thread in NSBB history. althought that just could be cause i am ridiculous drukn right now

[Backtobanks]

why are you guys using logic to argue with this guy? he a) made up a term and b) made up the standard that you need to meet to qualify for this made up term. it's idiotic.

 

guess what...i only like hitters that i deem "ultra mega-hitters." to qualify for this standard, you have to hit at least 31 doubles, 17 homers, wear your pants high and be from east of the mississippi. let's have 8 pages of message board argument about how dumb i am.

 

It's amazing that the word "logic" is used when posters quote statistics, but when the statistics are used against them it's "idiotic".

 

 

Tony Gwynn "made contact" (not a K or BB) in 87.76% of his plate appearances, and in those he hit .351.

 

Dunn "makes contact" in just 57% of his plate appearances, and in those he hits .311.

 

I see little evidence there that Gwynn was a "pure hitter" in any sense, only that he chose to sacrifice the chance for a BB or an extra-base hit for more singles.

 

Using Kyle's statistics in a 600 AB season, Gwynn would make contact 528 times resulting in 185 hits. Dunn would make contact 342 times resulting in 106 hits. I stand by my original point that Dunn can be described as a great slugger, but should not be described as a great hitter.

[Tracer Bullet]

why are you guys using logic to argue with this guy? he a) made up a term and b) made up the standard that you need to meet to qualify for this made up term. it's idiotic.

 

guess what...i only like hitters that i deem "ultra mega-hitters." to qualify for this standard, you have to hit at least 31 doubles, 17 homers, wear your pants high and be from east of the mississippi. let's have 8 pages of message board argument about how dumb i am.

 

It's amazing that the word "logic" is used when posters quote statistics, but when the statistics are used against them it's "idiotic".

 

 

Tony Gwynn "made contact" (not a K or BB) in 87.76% of his plate appearances, and in those he hit .351.

 

Dunn "makes contact" in just 57% of his plate appearances, and in those he hits .311.

 

I see little evidence there that Gwynn was a "pure hitter" in any sense, only that he chose to sacrifice the chance for a BB or an extra-base hit for more singles.

 

Using Kyle's statistics in a 600 AB season, Gwynn would make contact 528 times resulting in 185 hits. Dunn would make contact 342 times resulting in 106 hits. I stand by my original point that Dunn can be described as a great slugger, but should not be described as a great hitter.

 

So Gwynn was a great singles hitter. I'm not sure that makes him a great hitter, overall (or more valuable than other types of hitters).

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Using Kyle's statistics in a 600 AB season, Gwynn would make contact 528 times resulting in 185 hits. Dunn would make contact 342 times resulting in 106 hits. I stand by my original point that Dunn can be described as a great slugger, but should not be described as a great hitter.

162 game averages put Gwynn at 209 hits and Dunn at 137 (-72). they also put Gwynn at 52 BBs and Dunn at 113 (+61). when you consider what happens to the balls Dunn puts in play vs Gwynn, total bases are averaged at 283 for Gwynn and 289 for Dunn (+6). I tend to think a hitter has had success when he does not make an out, and he's even more successful when he does not make an out and gets more than 1 base as a result

[NewUserName]

NUN to his dad: I would love to have Adam Dunn

NUN's dad: Are you kidding me, all he does is KO and HR

NUN: Thats really not true, but what is the difference between a KO and a 4-3

NUN's dad: He still is only hitting .230

NUN: but his obp is .380

NUN's dad: goes on and on about how Dunn doesnt play the game right and so on and so on with no actual facts to support any of this but goes on to "prove" his point by saying that Dunn has won no championships

NUN: How many championships has Reed Johnson won?

 

NUN is told leave until he learns something about baseball.

 

Moral of story, I have started to were capris to my dads house

 

THE END

[mul21]

NUN to his dad: I would love to have Adam Dunn

NUN's dad: Are you kidding me, all he does is KO and HR

NUN: Thats really not true, but what is the difference between a KO and a 4-3

NUN's dad: He still is only hitting .230

NUN: but his obp is .380

NUN's dad: goes on and on about how Dunn doesnt play the game right and so on and so on with no actual facts to support any of this but goes on to "prove" his point by saying that Dunn has won no championships

NUN: How many championships has Reed Johnson won?

 

NUN is told leave until he learns something about baseball.

 

Moral of story, I have started to were capris to my dads house

THE END

 

Consider my mind bottled.

[Backtobanks]

A lot of extra "stuff" has come into this discussion. Descriptions like "more valuable", "more productive", "more total bases", etc. These terms have nothing to do with my original point. I disagreed with a poster who called Dunn "a great hitter" and I stated that he is a great slugger, but not a great hitter. There are great hitters who also are great sluggers (Bonds, Pujols, ARod, etc.) who combine the great hitting statistics with great slugging statistics, but Dunn comes up great in slugging statistics and lousy in hitting statistics. Players like Gwynn, Ichiro, etc. come up great in hitting statistics and lousy in slugging statistics. I never argued who's "more valuable", "more productive", etc. As I stated in an earlier post, I give credit to Dunn for doing what he does, but many of you can't give credit to great players like Gwynn for doing what he did.

[jersey cubs fan]

A lot of extra "stuff" has come into this discussion. Descriptions like "more valuable", "more productive", "more total bases", etc. These terms have nothing to do with my original point. I disagreed with a poster who called Dunn "a great hitter" and I stated that he is a great slugger, but not a great hitter. There are great hitters who also are great sluggers (Bonds, Pujols, ARod, etc.) who combine the great hitting statistics with great slugging statistics, but Dunn comes up great in slugging statistics and lousy in hitting statistics. Players like Gwynn, Ichiro, etc. come up great in hitting statistics and lousy in slugging statistics. I never argued who's "more valuable", "more productive", etc. As I stated in an earlier post, I give credit to Dunn for doing what he does, but many of you can't give credit to great players like Gwynn for doing what he did.

 

I think it's more accurate to say hitters you like and hitters you don't like, because your definition of great hitter appears to be quite arbitrary.

[sneakypower]

so he's bad at hitting for average

 

fair enough

[Backtobanks]

A lot of extra "stuff" has come into this discussion. Descriptions like "more valuable", "more productive", "more total bases", etc. These terms have nothing to do with my original point. I disagreed with a poster who called Dunn "a great hitter" and I stated that he is a great slugger, but not a great hitter. There are great hitters who also are great sluggers (Bonds, Pujols, ARod, etc.) who combine the great hitting statistics with great slugging statistics, but Dunn comes up great in slugging statistics and lousy in hitting statistics. Players like Gwynn, Ichiro, etc. come up great in hitting statistics and lousy in slugging statistics. I never argued who's "more valuable", "more productive", etc. As I stated in an earlier post, I give credit to Dunn for doing what he does, but many of you can't give credit to great players like Gwynn for doing what he did.

 

I think it's more accurate to say hitters you like and hitters you don't like, because your definition of great hitter appears to be quite arbitrary.

 

I don't always agree with sportswriters, but they do follow baseball for a living. Somehow they manage to figure out what a great hitter is when they elect them to the HOF. Names like Boggs, Carew, Gwynn, Brock, and Brett made it on the first ballot and Rose would have except for a little gambling problem. In a few years Biggio will be a HOF on the first ballot. Unless Dunn hits 900 HRs, he will need a ticket to get in. Apparently my definition of a great hitter seems to follow what the "experts" think.

[SouthSideRyan]

Lou Brock doesn't even fit your made up definition.

[Tracer Bullet]

We've gone from your moving target definition to Hall of Fame voters? You realize this board is full of people who can't fathom how the voters haven't elected Ron Santo (among others), right? And you think sharing an opinion with these voters is going to garner you support here?

[David]

lol yea that was about the worst route he could've taken toward attempting to support his case...

[Backtobanks]

We've gone from your moving target definition to Hall of Fame voters? You realize this board is full of people who can't fathom how the voters haven't elected Ron Santo (among others), right? And you think sharing an opinion with these voters is going to garner you support here?

 

I mentioned in my post that I don't always agree with sportswriters (especially about Santo), but I would hope that posters ought to agree that any player elected on the first ballot was a great player (and usually a great hitter). If posters can't agree that players like Carew, Boggs, Brett, etc. were great hitters, then I think their definition of a great hitter is skewed.

[Tracer Bullet]

I give, uncle, whatever. my head hurts.

[abuck1220]

We've gone from your moving target definition to Hall of Fame voters? You realize this board is full of people who can't fathom how the voters haven't elected Ron Santo (among others), right? And you think sharing an opinion with these voters is going to garner you support here?

 

I mentioned in my post that I don't always agree with sportswriters (especially about Santo), but I would hope that posters ought to agree that any player elected on the first ballot was a great player (and usually a great hitter). If posters can't agree that players like Carew, Boggs, Brett, etc. were great hitters, then I think their definition of a great hitter is skewed.

 

my goodness, dude, what on earth are you talking about? who the hell said george brett wasn't a great hitter? your posts in this thread have been beyond awful.

[RedFlash]

I'm tired of reading and talking about Adam Dunn, can we talk about something less annoying, such as Brian Roberts?

[Derwood]

16 pages of arguing over a player that isn't/wasn't on the Cubs. awesome

[abuck1220]

16 pages of arguing over a player that isn't/wasn't on the Cubs. awesome

 

which you were forced, at gunpoint, to read.

 

seriously though, when people are in here talking about how george brett sucked, something has to be done.

[Tracer Bullet]

I love when people post in a thread simply to complain that others are discussing/arguing the clearly-marked topic of that thread.

[Derwood]

I love when people post in a thread simply to complain that others are discussing/arguing the clearly-marked topic of that thread.

 

A little reading will show you that no one has talked about the merits of Dunn going to the D-Backs for about 11 pages.

[CubinNY]

Since Dunn went to the D-Backs they've been scoring 6 runs/game and have increased their lead in the West by 2 games.

 

Ergo, Dunn is the MVP (record w/Dunn v. Record w/o Dunn).

 

He's made their line-up better just by gracing their diamond.

 

Now we can carry-on with one of the most amusing discussions of "hitting" I've every read.

[Jehrico]

Since Dunn went to the D-Backs they've been scoring 6 runs/game and have increased their lead in the West by 2 games.

 

Ergo, Dunn is the MVP (record w/Dunn v. Record w/o Dunn).

 

He's made their line-up better just by gracing their diamond.

 

Now we can carry-on with one of the most amusing discussions of "hitting" I've every read.

NUN needs to get you to talk to his dad, you seem to speak his language, just with the opposite viewpoint.