Cubs also interested in DeJesus and Giles

[nilodnayr]

Hermida is a 24 year old with no platoon split and a .288/.357/.517/.874 line away from Pro Player. I think there's plenty of reason to still believe he can be a good corner OF.

 

I think there is reason to be optimistic but with the injuries negating his speed thats one aspect of his game that is gone (not to mention an injury concern). I wouldn't throw out all of his stats, that 652 home OPS and 104 OPS+ for the year ain't pretty for a corner OF.

 

His 2007 looks pretty sweet, but a lot of that was luck with a 356 BABIP. A guy who K's 25% of the time isn't going to have a consistant 300 BA. Hes young so he has room to grow, but IMO his stock has dropped a decent amount over the last 2 years from certain above average corner OF/occassional all-star to average corner OF.

[BigbadB]

Soriano

Giles

Lee

Ramirez

Fukudome

DeRosa

Soto

Theriot

 

Yeah, I would be fine with that. The worst hitter in that line up is hitting nearly .320 right now.

[RammyFanny]

NO to Giles. He's old and has almost no power these days. DeJesus and Ibanez probably makes the most sense.

Yet he's having a better season than our current starting RF'er (in the exact same amount of AB's)...

 

It's not the end all of he doesn't have great power ability you know, I mean his OBP is nearly .400 and he's OPSing over .800 against both righties and lefties. Koske has no power whatsoever but we seem fine with him when he's working the count and slapping hits left and right.

[sneakypower]

Giles intangibles make him far too valuable to the Padres to move him

 

oh and DeJesus excites me, though it would sadly mean the end of Pie with the team :cry:

[The Voice of Reason]

I'm guessing that this player if we acquired one would replace Ward on the roster...

 

I hope not

 

Ward is one of the top PHers out there.

 

While he's having a down year with the bat, he's really patient which gets him into good counts or at the least gets him on base with a walk.

 

 

Disagree. He's lost it.

 

The Cubs could use a left-handed hitter with some power to come off the bench, especially now that the left-handed-hitting Mike Fontenot is getting more starts at second base. Daryle Ward is supposed to play that role, but he came into Tuesday's game hitting .182 (4-for-22) in July. His overall average as a pinch-hitter is .118 (4-for-34).

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-30-cubs-brite-chicagojul30,0,1762813.story

[BigbadB]

Giles intangibles make him far too valuable to the Padres to move him

 

oh and DeJesus excites me, though it would sadly mean the end of Pie with the team :cry:

 

I don't think that's true. The Padres are a huge mess, and a 35 year old veteran outfielder is not the key piece to build around. By the time the Padres fix their current mess, Giles will likely be retired. If they can get something for him now, they should.

[Burtonbell]

NO to Giles. He's old and has almost no power these days. DeJesus and Ibanez probably makes the most sense.

Yet he's having a better season than our current starting RF'er (in the exact same amount of AB's)...

 

It's not the end all of he doesn't have great power ability you know, I mean his OBP is nearly .400 and he's OPSing over .800 against both righties and lefties. Koske has no power whatsoever but we seem fine with him when he's working the count and slapping hits left and right.

 

I would not mind at all having 2 Koske's in the lineup.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Giles intangibles make him far too valuable to the Padres to move him

 

oh and DeJesus excites me, though it would sadly mean the end of Pie with the team :cry:

 

I don't remember, is DeJesus a plus defender?

 

I wonder what Moore wants in return for him. That contract is nice for his production.

[SCCubbieFAN]

Isn't Giles a 10/5 guy or does he have a NTC, either of which will require his consent to a trade? If so, what are chances he won't approve a trade to the Cubs?

[RammyFanny]

NO to Giles. He's old and has almost no power these days. DeJesus and Ibanez probably makes the most sense.

Yet he's having a better season than our current starting RF'er (in the exact same amount of AB's)...

 

It's not the end all of he doesn't have great power ability you know, I mean his OBP is nearly .400 and he's OPSing over .800 against both righties and lefties. Koske has no power whatsoever but we seem fine with him when he's working the count and slapping hits left and right.

 

I would not mind at all having 2 Koske's in the lineup.

Exactly my point.

 

And from what i've read (not first hand account) DeJesus is average to below avereage in center, which is why KC has tried moving him to right a little more. The article didn't make it seem like he was putrid in center, but enough where they made an effort to make it easier on him.

 

I'm one who thinks outfield defense can be a little overrated though, so from the sounds of it i'd be alright with him in center, but you better be ready to give them Pie if we're trading because i'm sure that's where it starts.

[JeffH]

Giles intangibles make him far too valuable to the Padres to move him

 

oh and DeJesus excites me, though it would sadly mean the end of Pie with the team :cry:

 

I don't remember, is DeJesus a plus defender?

 

I wonder what Moore wants in return for him. That contract is nice for his production.

 

I get confused - the new CBA did away with a player's right to demand a trade the following season after having been traded in the middle of a long term contract, but some contracts are grandfathered in.

 

Would DeJesus have that right or not?

 

If he would, I'd say there's virtually zero chance of acquiring him. He'd have far, far, far more value to the Royals than he would to the Cubs.

[sneakypower]

Giles intangibles make him far too valuable to the Padres to move him

 

oh and DeJesus excites me, though it would sadly mean the end of Pie with the team :cry:

 

I don't think that's true. The Padres are a huge mess, and a 35 year old veteran outfielder is not the key piece to build around. By the time the Padres fix their current mess, Giles will likely be retired. If they can get something for him now, they should.

yeah, I know that's just the PR spin that was coming from Depod

 

for what it's worth (mostly nothing) Giles has a .301 .457 .609 career line at Wrigley

[Tracer Bullet]

Giles intangibles make him far too valuable to the Padres to move him

 

oh and DeJesus excites me, though it would sadly mean the end of Pie with the team :cry:

 

I don't think that's true. The Padres are a huge mess, and a 35 year old veteran outfielder is not the key piece to build around. By the time the Padres fix their current mess, Giles will likely be retired. If they can get something for him now, they should.

 

As I mentioned before, DePo seems to disagree.

http://itmightbedangerous.blogspot.com/2008/07/brian-giles.html

[nilodnayr]

Giles intangibles make him far too valuable to the Padres to move him

 

oh and DeJesus excites me, though it would sadly mean the end of Pie with the team :cry:

 

 

I think that DePo blog posting was more posturing than anything.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Giles intangibles make him far too valuable to the Padres to move him

 

oh and DeJesus excites me, though it would sadly mean the end of Pie with the team :cry:

 

I don't remember, is DeJesus a plus defender?

 

I wonder what Moore wants in return for him. That contract is nice for his production.

 

I get confused - the new CBA did away with a player's right to demand a trade the following season after having been traded in the middle of a long term contract, but some contracts are grandfathered in.

 

Would DeJesus have that right or not?

 

If he would, I'd say there's virtually zero chance of acquiring him. He'd have far, far, far more value to the Royals than he would to the Cubs.

 

I don't see how that would substantially change his value. Especially to the point where the Royals would value him far more.

[The Voice of Reason]

Isn't Giles a 10/5 guy or does he have a NTC, either of which will require his consent to a trade? If so, what are chances he won't approve a trade to the Cubs?

 

Good. He's from San Diego and has stated he wants to finish his career there.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I get confused - the new CBA did away with a player's right to demand a trade the following season after having been traded in the middle of a long term contract, but some contracts are grandfathered in.

 

Would DeJesus have that right or not?

 

If he would, I'd say there's virtually zero chance of acquiring him. He'd have far, far, far more value to the Royals than he would to the Cubs.

he signed his deal in March 06 before the new CBA so he should still have that right

[JeffH]

Giles intangibles make him far too valuable to the Padres to move him

 

oh and DeJesus excites me, though it would sadly mean the end of Pie with the team :cry:

 

I don't remember, is DeJesus a plus defender?

 

I wonder what Moore wants in return for him. That contract is nice for his production.

 

I get confused - the new CBA did away with a player's right to demand a trade the following season after having been traded in the middle of a long term contract, but some contracts are grandfathered in.

 

Would DeJesus have that right or not?

 

If he would, I'd say there's virtually zero chance of acquiring him. He'd have far, far, far more value to the Royals than he would to the Cubs.

 

I don't see how that would substantially change his value. Especially to the point where the Royals would value him far more.

 

Are you kidding? The Royals have him for the next three years at $14.05 total. With the Cubs, he'd effectively opt out and you'd have to either trade him with zero leverage or else sign him to a market-price deal.

[nilodnayr]

Isn't Giles a 10/5 guy or does he have a NTC, either of which will require his consent to a trade? If so, what are chances he won't approve a trade to the Cubs?

 

Giles hasn't been with the Padres for 5 years so hes not a 10/5 guy (he was traded Aug 26, 2003 to the Padres). He has a limited NTC to 8 teams. If the Cubs were one of those teams I'd assume he'd approve the trade if the Cubs agreed to decline his 2009 option so he could resign with the Padres. I thought I heard him say somewhere that he'd approve a trade if it improve the Padres.

[Lefty]

I'd prefer DeJesus, which helps in CF beyond this year (I don't see Pie getting a real shot). And you can keep the Johnson platoon going for now - DeJesus is killing RHP this year (.871 OPS). Edmonds can spot start if he's healthy or be a big bat off the bench.

 

Interesting on Giles - 2 weeks ago, DePo posted on his blog that the Pads aren't really interested in trading him. In part b/c he's performing, in part b/c of his option, and in part b/c they want the young guys to emulate him. So I wonder if he's really an option at this point.

 

DePodesta gains more in that context by being less than honest. Love to see Cuban hire him as GM though.

[JeffH]

I get confused - the new CBA did away with a player's right to demand a trade the following season after having been traded in the middle of a long term contract, but some contracts are grandfathered in.

 

Would DeJesus have that right or not?

 

If he would, I'd say there's virtually zero chance of acquiring him. He'd have far, far, far more value to the Royals than he would to the Cubs.

he signed his deal in March 06 before the new CBA so he should still have that right

 

Whether he does or not may have something to do with how much major league service time he had either at the time he signed the contract, the time the new CBA went into effect, or the time of the trade. Like I said, I'm confused.

[sneakypower]

Giles intangibles make him far too valuable to the Padres to move him

 

oh and DeJesus excites me, though it would sadly mean the end of Pie with the team :cry:

 

 

I think that DePo blog posting was more posturing than anything.

yeah I agree, and not to derail the topic, but if Hendry said something like this NSBB would freak out. mostly we can't tell what GMs think from what they say because they all just feed fans crap they think they want to hear.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Giles intangibles make him far too valuable to the Padres to move him

 

oh and DeJesus excites me, though it would sadly mean the end of Pie with the team :cry:

 

I don't remember, is DeJesus a plus defender?

 

I wonder what Moore wants in return for him. That contract is nice for his production.

 

I get confused - the new CBA did away with a player's right to demand a trade the following season after having been traded in the middle of a long term contract, but some contracts are grandfathered in.

 

Would DeJesus have that right or not?

 

If he would, I'd say there's virtually zero chance of acquiring him. He'd have far, far, far more value to the Royals than he would to the Cubs.

 

I don't see how that would substantially change his value. Especially to the point where the Royals would value him far more.

 

Are you kidding? The Royals have him for the next three years at $14.05 total. With the Cubs, he'd effectively opt out and you'd have to either trade him with zero leverage or else sign him to a market-price deal.

 

I wasn't thinking for a second. For some reason I thought he could ask for a trade from the Royals too. What happens if he asks for the trade and the Cubs don't do it? Does it wipe out the contract? DeJesus won't have the service time for free agency until after 2010.

[nilodnayr]

I get confused - the new CBA did away with a player's right to demand a trade the following season after having been traded in the middle of a long term contract, but some contracts are grandfathered in.

 

Would DeJesus have that right or not?

 

If he would, I'd say there's virtually zero chance of acquiring him. He'd have far, far, far more value to the Royals than he would to the Cubs.

he signed his deal in March 06 before the new CBA so he should still have that right

 

Do players who don't have 6 years of service time still have that right? That'd be a pretty interesting loophole...maybe thats why since the CBA, we've seen so many arbi/pre-arbi guys get signed to long term deals.

[nilodnayr]

Giles intangibles make him far too valuable to the Padres to move him

 

oh and DeJesus excites me, though it would sadly mean the end of Pie with the team :cry:

 

I don't remember, is DeJesus a plus defender?

 

I wonder what Moore wants in return for him. That contract is nice for his production.

 

I get confused - the new CBA did away with a player's right to demand a trade the following season after having been traded in the middle of a long term contract, but some contracts are grandfathered in.

 

Would DeJesus have that right or not?

 

If he would, I'd say there's virtually zero chance of acquiring him. He'd have far, far, far more value to the Royals than he would to the Cubs.

 

I don't see how that would substantially change his value. Especially to the point where the Royals would value him far more.

 

Are you kidding? The Royals have him for the next three years at $14.05 total. With the Cubs, he'd effectively opt out and you'd have to either trade him with zero leverage or else sign him to a market-price deal.

 

I wasn't thinking for a second. For some reason I thought he could ask for a trade from the Royals too. What happens if he asks for the trade and the Cubs don't do it? Does it wipe out the contract? DeJesus won't have the service time for free agency until after 2010.

Well either he would go to arbi or it might be like when you DFA a guy and hes a FA.