Cubs also interested in DeJesus and Giles

[1480]

Giles would make a bit more sense if, Edmonds is hurt worse then they have let on. Fukudome can play in CF, Giles in RF and Lou would get a nice lineup against rhp. Plus you could easily give Aramis and DLee more time off plugging DeRo into their posistions. Plus Giles off the bench in a late inning at bat.........WOW.

[RynoRules]

I like Giles, but DeJesus makes more sense insomuch as he gives you more options going forward. During the offseason you can package Pie for another starting picther, or do the same with DeJesus himself.

[dew1679666265]

I'm guessing that this player if we acquired one would replace Ward on the roster...

 

I hope not

 

Ward is one of the top PHers out there.

 

While he's having a down year with the bat, he's really patient which gets him into good counts or at the least gets him on base with a walk.

 

The who does he replace?

 

If we were to get either Giles or DeJesus, do we send Fontenot down? I surely hope not as he has been one of the best hitters over the last month. Do we release Edmonds? I hope not, since Edmonds when he's been able to play has still been pretty good for us. Reed Johnson? I still think we need the righty bat. Cedeno? Nope. He's the back-up SS.

 

The logical answer is Ward would be gone. I like Ward for his role, but his limited ability defensively hampers us. If we replace Ward say with Giles, we have more parts to mix and match in the outfield without sacrificing defense. The only other option would be to keep Ward and go to an 11 man pitching staff for a month until rosters expand.

 

In fact an outfield of Soriano, Fukudome, and Giles would look really good. With Johnson and Edmonds on the bench, we can pretty much give any outfielder a day off without sacrificing much production. Add to the fact that we could play DeRosa in the OF as well on days that either Fontenot or Cedeno play second, and we have a number of options.

 

With Ward, he's good for one AB per game.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see a little roster tweaking that either has Cotts going to the minors for the month of August or Edmonds hitting the DL through August.

 

That way, when rosters expand Edmonds/Cotts returns and (thanks to injuries) can still be eligible for the postseason roster. Plus, we still have Ward as a weapon off the bench for the playoffs.

 

It may not happen that way, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if they made it work without dumping a valuable (although limited) piece like Ward.

[mdwilla]

If Hendry is targeting Giles maybe he can get Towers to take Marquis who could thrive in Petco as part of a package that returns Maddux for the stretch run and dumps Marquis's contract for next year.

[YearofDaCubs]

NO to Giles. He's old and has almost no power these days. DeJesus and Ibanez probably makes the most sense.

[dew1679666265]

Giles would make a bit more sense if, Edmonds is hurt worse then they have let on. Fukudome can play in CF, Giles in RF and Lou would get a nice lineup against rhp. Plus you could easily give Aramis and DLee more time off plugging DeRo into their posistions. Plus Giles off the bench in a late inning at bat.........WOW.

 

Even if this injury isn't more than they're letting on, Edmonds is still a serious injury risk the more he plays. With another starter caliber outfielder on the roster (DeJesus, Giles) we can move Edmonds into more of a pinch-hitter/spot starter role and perhaps avoid any more nagging or longterm injuries.

[dew1679666265]

If Hendry is targeting Giles maybe he can get Towers to take Marquis who could thrive in Petco as part of a package that returns Maddux for the stretch run and dumps Marquis's contract for next year.

 

I don't know that I'd swap Marquis for Maddux. Maddux likely wouldn't be much better than league average playing most of his games in Wrigley and Marquis has given us league average production.

 

The only benefit I see is if Maddux's contract is up after this year.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm guessing that this player if we acquired one would replace Ward on the roster...

 

I hope not

 

Ward is one of the top PHers out there.

 

While he's having a down year with the bat, he's really patient which gets him into good counts or at the least gets him on base with a walk.

 

The who does he replace?

 

If we were to get either Giles or DeJesus, do we send Fontenot down? I surely hope not as he has been one of the best hitters over the last month. Do we release Edmonds? I hope not, since Edmonds when he's been able to play has still been pretty good for us. Reed Johnson? I still think we need the righty bat. Cedeno? Nope. He's the back-up SS.

 

The logical answer is Ward would be gone. I like Ward for his role, but his limited ability defensively hampers us. If we replace Ward say with Giles, we have more parts to mix and match in the outfield without sacrificing defense. The only other option would be to keep Ward and go to an 11 man pitching staff for a month until rosters expand.

 

In fact an outfield of Soriano, Fukudome, and Giles would look really good. With Johnson and Edmonds on the bench, we can pretty much give any outfielder a day off without sacrificing much production. Add to the fact that we could play DeRosa in the OF as well on days that either Fontenot or Cedeno play second, and we have a number of options.

 

With Ward, he's good for one AB per game.

 

I guess there's really no one to replace if not for Ward.

 

[cliche]Sometimes the best trade is the one not made.[/cliche]

 

With that cliche, are you suggesting the team would be better as constructed with Ward than it would be if Ward were replaced with Giles or DeJesus? I think Giles or DeJesus bring every bit of offense Ward can and they actually aren't a liability defensively.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If Hendry is targeting Giles maybe he can get Towers to take Marquis who could thrive in Petco as part of a package that returns Maddux for the stretch run and dumps Marquis's contract for next year.

 

I don't know that I'd swap Marquis for Maddux. Maddux likely wouldn't be much better than league average playing most of his games in Wrigley and Marquis has given us league average production.

 

The only benefit I see is if Maddux's contract is up after this year.

 

I'd take Maddux in a swap for Marquis only because it gets us out of Marquis's contract. For this year, I don't think Maddux would be any better and might be a hair worse.

[Schwarber Fan]

I'm guessing that this player if we acquired one would replace Ward on the roster...

 

I hope not

 

Ward is one of the top PHers out there.

 

While he's having a down year with the bat, he's really patient which gets him into good counts or at the least gets him on base with a walk.

 

The who does he replace?

 

If we were to get either Giles or DeJesus, do we send Fontenot down? I surely hope not as he has been one of the best hitters over the last month. Do we release Edmonds? I hope not, since Edmonds when he's been able to play has still been pretty good for us. Reed Johnson? I still think we need the righty bat. Cedeno? Nope. He's the back-up SS.

 

The logical answer is Ward would be gone. I like Ward for his role, but his limited ability defensively hampers us. If we replace Ward say with Giles, we have more parts to mix and match in the outfield without sacrificing defense. The only other option would be to keep Ward and go to an 11 man pitching staff for a month until rosters expand.

 

In fact an outfield of Soriano, Fukudome, and Giles would look really good. With Johnson and Edmonds on the bench, we can pretty much give any outfielder a day off without sacrificing much production. Add to the fact that we could play DeRosa in the OF as well on days that either Fontenot or Cedeno play second, and we have a number of options.

 

With Ward, he's good for one AB per game.

 

I guess there's really no one to replace if not for Ward.

 

[cliche]Sometimes the best trade is the one not made.[/cliche]

 

With that cliche, are you suggesting the team would be better as constructed with Ward than it would be if Ward were replaced with Giles or DeJesus? I think Giles or DeJesus bring every bit of offense Ward can and they actually aren't a liability defensively.

 

That's true

 

It just seems so unfair to Ward to just sweep him out the door when he's been a solid player for us for the most part.

 

That being said, we all know what the ultimate goal is, and anything to make the team better comes first, I suppose.

[dew1679666265]

NO to Giles. He's old and has almost no power these days. DeJesus and Ibanez probably makes the most sense.

 

DeJesus would actually be the better option, depending on how much more expensive he is. He's got more power, plus he can play center - which improves the defense because it keeps Fukudome in right. Not a huge difference, but something else to consider.

 

DeJesus may cost a whole lot more, though. And I would take either over Ibanez.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm guessing that this player if we acquired one would replace Ward on the roster...

 

I hope not

 

Ward is one of the top PHers out there.

 

While he's having a down year with the bat, he's really patient which gets him into good counts or at the least gets him on base with a walk.

 

The who does he replace?

 

If we were to get either Giles or DeJesus, do we send Fontenot down? I surely hope not as he has been one of the best hitters over the last month. Do we release Edmonds? I hope not, since Edmonds when he's been able to play has still been pretty good for us. Reed Johnson? I still think we need the righty bat. Cedeno? Nope. He's the back-up SS.

 

The logical answer is Ward would be gone. I like Ward for his role, but his limited ability defensively hampers us. If we replace Ward say with Giles, we have more parts to mix and match in the outfield without sacrificing defense. The only other option would be to keep Ward and go to an 11 man pitching staff for a month until rosters expand.

 

In fact an outfield of Soriano, Fukudome, and Giles would look really good. With Johnson and Edmonds on the bench, we can pretty much give any outfielder a day off without sacrificing much production. Add to the fact that we could play DeRosa in the OF as well on days that either Fontenot or Cedeno play second, and we have a number of options.

 

With Ward, he's good for one AB per game.

 

I guess there's really no one to replace if not for Ward.

 

[cliche]Sometimes the best trade is the one not made.[/cliche]

 

With that cliche, are you suggesting the team would be better as constructed with Ward than it would be if Ward were replaced with Giles or DeJesus? I think Giles or DeJesus bring every bit of offense Ward can and they actually aren't a liability defensively.

 

That's true

 

It just seems so unfair to Ward to just sweep him out the door when he's been a solid player for us for the most part.

 

That being said, we all know what the ultimate goal is, and anything to make the team better comes first, I suppose.

 

I guess if Ward really wants to stay around, he could suddenly have a sore back, get DL'ed, and hang around until rosters expand.

[dew1679666265]

If Hendry is targeting Giles maybe he can get Towers to take Marquis who could thrive in Petco as part of a package that returns Maddux for the stretch run and dumps Marquis's contract for next year.

 

I don't know that I'd swap Marquis for Maddux. Maddux likely wouldn't be much better than league average playing most of his games in Wrigley and Marquis has given us league average production.

 

The only benefit I see is if Maddux's contract is up after this year.

 

I'd take Maddux in a swap for Marquis only because it gets us out of Marquis's contract. For this year, I don't think Maddux would be any better and might be a hair worse.

 

Maddux's road ERA: 6.02

 

Marquis' ERA: 4.69

 

Obviously, this isn't the most scientific of comparisons, but even if his ERA drops a lot as a Cub, he could still easily be a lot worse than Marquis.

 

I do like that we'd be out of Marquis' contract, though. So I wouldn't be completely opposed to the swap, just not excited about it.

[TheHawk]

I'm guessing that this player if we acquired one would replace Ward on the roster...

 

I hope not

 

Ward is one of the top PHers out there.

 

While he's having a down year with the bat, he's really patient which gets him into good counts or at the least gets him on base with a walk.

 

They might be able to DL Edmonds to extend Ward's stay, but otherwise it comes down to a choice between Edmonds and Ward, and Edmonds is the better choice 10 times out of 10. Even if he gets hurt and is unable to even pinch hit, then he can be DL'ed and Hoffpauir comes in with the exact same skillset as Ward. I wonder what Ward would fetch in trade, even in August?

 

Probably similar to what we got for Neifi Perez, Todd Walker, and Craig Monroe. If we packaged him with Howry or Eyre, maybe we could get a little something more. I wonder if Detroit would be interested now that their top pinch hitter is now their starting catcher.

 

I would hope we could get a José Ceda type player.

[JeffH]

The only other option would be to keep Ward and go to an 11 man pitching staff for a month until rosters expand.

 

Yes, please. When your manager won't use the 12th pitcher, you're already going with an 11-man staff. Might as well replace Mr. Invisible with another hitter that can help you.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

The only other option would be to keep Ward and go to an 11 man pitching staff for a month until rosters expand.

 

Yes, please. When your manager won't use the 12th pitcher, you're already going with an 11-man staff. Might as well replace Mr. Invisible with another hitter that can help you.

 

I've always been more in favor of the 11 man staff, but I really have no hope that it would happen.

[JeffH]

The only other option would be to keep Ward and go to an 11 man pitching staff for a month until rosters expand.

 

Yes, please. When your manager won't use the 12th pitcher, you're already going with an 11-man staff. Might as well replace Mr. Invisible with another hitter that can help you.

 

I've always been more in favor of the 11 man staff, but I really have no hope that it would happen.

 

It really should, especially now that we're pretty free of LOOGYs and ROOGYs and have several guys that can pitch multiple innings.

[Burtonbell]

So what would the Royals want for DeJesus?

 

Pie/Ceda/???

[Butterscup1679666578]

So what would the Royals want for DeJesus?

 

Pie/Ceda/???

 

If so, that conversation better not last long.

[WrigleyinEngland]

Just read that the Marlins and Bosox could dump the pirates out of the Manny deal because of the demands for Bay. Any way we could get involved and end up with hermedia? On the upside he couldn't hit any HRs against us in the series later next month!!

[nilodnayr]

Just read that the Marlins and Bosox could dump the pirates out of the Manny deal because of the demands for Bay. Any way we could get involved and end up with hermedia? On the upside he couldn't hit any HRs against us in the series later next month!!

 

Then we would have to send a Jason Bay like player to the BoSox...

[PackLandVA]

Just read that the Marlins and Bosox could dump the pirates out of the Manny deal because of the demands for Bay. Any way we could get involved and end up with hermedia? On the upside he couldn't hit any HRs against us in the series later next month!!

 

Then we would have to send a Jason Bay like player to the BoSox...

 

Unless there were a third team involved with a Bay type player and we sent prospects to the third team involved.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

I really don't want to see Ward go. He's easily been one of my favorite players the last two years, even though I can't really find a reason why. I just like the guy and think he is good to have around the ballclub. But if we can make a move that gives us a better glove and something other than a one at bat pinch hitter than by all means we should improve the ballclub.

[nilodnayr]

Just read that the Marlins and Bosox could dump the pirates out of the Manny deal because of the demands for Bay. Any way we could get involved and end up with hermedia? On the upside he couldn't hit any HRs against us in the series later next month!!

 

Then we would have to send a Jason Bay like player to the BoSox...

 

Unless there were a third team involved with a Bay type player and we sent prospects to the third team involved.

 

Don't you mean 4th team? The only guy I can think of that is Bay-like is Dunn. DeJesus and Giles are a step below. Frankly, I think Hermida's stock has fallen to the point where I question whether or not he can be an average corner OF (despite what he did against the cubs).

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Hermida is a 24 year old with no platoon split and a .288/.357/.517/.874 line away from Pro Player. I think there's plenty of reason to still believe he can be a good corner OF.