Cubs also interested in DeJesus and Giles

[Burtonbell]

Apparently before Levine said we were calling about Bradley, he said that we turned down a Padres proposal for Giles.

 

Wonder what the proposed deal was... :confused:

[dew1679666265]

For those more SABR inclined:

 

Is this year's David DeJesus about what Pie projects to? And would it be worth giving Pie + ? for him?

 

Pie would be a success if he became DeJesus with the bat. He's significantly better with the glove.

 

Good point on the defensive difference.

 

I'm kind of leaning right now toward thinking a Pie + something deal would be worth DeJesus.

 

Veal?

 

I was thinking Ceda, but Veal would work too.

 

I find Veal more valuable than Ceda - mainly because Veal's a starter - do you agree?

 

Ceda is far more valuable as a prospect and at this point, Veal is starting to look like a potential reliever.

 

Hmm, interesting. I was still under the (mistaken, I suppose) impression that Veal had legit starting potential. I knew he had bad control problems, but didn't realize they were that bad.

[dew1679666265]

I was thinking Ceda, but Veal would work too.

 

I find Veal more valuable than Ceda - mainly because Veal's a starter - do you agree?

I don't. Veal can't seem to get his walks under control.

 

Ceda's got his own control issues, but at least he's got nearly unhittable stuff to offset it.

 

Control is definitely a concern - I'm not utterly sold on Ceda though. He's the type of guy I'd like to ship off while his value is really high.

 

which was last offseason

 

I didn't know it had dropped.

Well, this year confirmed that he absolutely can't be converted to a starter. Hes done really well in AA back in relief so maybe its remained neutral.

 

Thanks nilo! I need to peruse the minor league forum more I guess. :D

[Guest]

For those more SABR inclined:

 

Is this year's David DeJesus about what Pie projects to? And would it be worth giving Pie + ? for him?

 

Pie would be a success if he became DeJesus with the bat. He's significantly better with the glove.

 

Good point on the defensive difference.

 

I'm kind of leaning right now toward thinking a Pie + something deal would be worth DeJesus.

 

Veal?

 

I was thinking Ceda, but Veal would work too.

 

I find Veal more valuable than Ceda - mainly because Veal's a starter - do you agree?

 

Ceda is far more valuable as a prospect and at this point, Veal is starting to look like a potential reliever.

 

Hmm, interesting. I was still under the (mistaken, I suppose) impression that Veal had legit starting potential. I knew he had bad control problems, but didn't realize they were that bad.

 

He's a legit starter if he had better control but at some point and time if he doesn't improve, a team's going to move him to the pen because they'll want their started to get into the 5th inning with less than 100 pitches. He has the stuff of a #2 starter (though his K rate has dropped :?).

[nilodnayr]

For those more SABR inclined:

 

Is this year's David DeJesus about what Pie projects to? And would it be worth giving Pie + ? for him?

 

Pie would be a success if he became DeJesus with the bat. He's significantly better with the glove.

 

Good point on the defensive difference.

 

I'm kind of leaning right now toward thinking a Pie + something deal would be worth DeJesus.

 

Veal?

 

I was thinking Ceda, but Veal would work too.

 

I find Veal more valuable than Ceda - mainly because Veal's a starter - do you agree?

 

Ceda is far more valuable as a prospect and at this point, Veal is starting to look like a potential reliever.

 

Hmm, interesting. I was still under the (mistaken, I suppose) impression that Veal had legit starting potential. I knew he had bad control problems, but didn't realize they were that bad.

 

It'd be one thing if there was any sort of improvement, but there hasn't. He has spurts but then he gets back into terrible control mode. At the same time his walk rate remains consistantly terrible, his K rate has dropped from great to good to average/below average.

[dew1679666265]

For those more SABR inclined:

 

Is this year's David DeJesus about what Pie projects to? And would it be worth giving Pie + ? for him?

 

Pie would be a success if he became DeJesus with the bat. He's significantly better with the glove.

 

Good point on the defensive difference.

 

I'm kind of leaning right now toward thinking a Pie + something deal would be worth DeJesus.

 

Veal?

 

I was thinking Ceda, but Veal would work too.

 

I find Veal more valuable than Ceda - mainly because Veal's a starter - do you agree?

 

Ceda is far more valuable as a prospect and at this point, Veal is starting to look like a potential reliever.

 

Hmm, interesting. I was still under the (mistaken, I suppose) impression that Veal had legit starting potential. I knew he had bad control problems, but didn't realize they were that bad.

 

He's a legit starter if he had better control but at some point and time if he doesn't improve, a team's going to move him to the pen because they'll want their started to get into the 5th inning with less than 100 pitches. He has the stuff of a #2 starter (though his K rate has dropped :?).

 

I knew his stuff was terrific, which is why I figured he'd stick it out in the rotation even with iffy control. If the control gets too bad, though, I can definitely see the reasoning for moving him to the pen.

[dew1679666265]

For those more SABR inclined:

 

Is this year's David DeJesus about what Pie projects to? And would it be worth giving Pie + ? for him?

 

Pie would be a success if he became DeJesus with the bat. He's significantly better with the glove.

 

Good point on the defensive difference.

 

I'm kind of leaning right now toward thinking a Pie + something deal would be worth DeJesus.

 

Veal?

 

I was thinking Ceda, but Veal would work too.

 

I find Veal more valuable than Ceda - mainly because Veal's a starter - do you agree?

 

Ceda is far more valuable as a prospect and at this point, Veal is starting to look like a potential reliever.

 

Hmm, interesting. I was still under the (mistaken, I suppose) impression that Veal had legit starting potential. I knew he had bad control problems, but didn't realize they were that bad.

 

It'd be one thing if there was any sort of improvement, but there hasn't. He has spurts but then he gets back into terrible control mode. At the same time his walk rate remains consistantly terrible, his K rate has dropped from great to good to average/below average.

 

Definitely disturbing. Sounds like the ideal chip to sell on potential alone.

[sporrer17]

I'm starting to think that the Cubs see Edmonds injury as a little more serious than they let on.

 

Same here. I bet the role we see Edmonds as the rest of the season is as a pinch hitter, he doesn't look to moving too well.

 

HR for Edmonds, I think he's alright.

[Guest]

I'm starting to think that the Cubs see Edmonds injury as a little more serious than they let on.

 

Same here. I bet the role we see Edmonds as the rest of the season is as a pinch hitter, he doesn't look to moving too well.

 

HR for Edmonds, I think he's alright.

 

I'd still be concerned...he's played twice in a week. When he's playing, he's playing well.

[dew1679666265]

I'm starting to think that the Cubs see Edmonds injury as a little more serious than they let on.

 

Same here. I bet the role we see Edmonds as the rest of the season is as a pinch hitter, he doesn't look to moving too well.

 

HR for Edmonds, I think he's alright.

 

I'd still be concerned...he's played twice in a week. When he's playing, he's playing well.

 

Which is likely why he needs to play less - maximize whatever he has left and minimize the risk of losing him to injury.

[Burtonbell]

If the question is Edmonds/Johnson in CF or DeJesus or Giles in CF...I take DeJesus or Giles even if Edmonds is healthy.

[sporrer17]

Why give up prospects for marginal upgrades? DeJesus is basically a Matt Murton type, offensively, except he's LH and can play CF.

 

If we are trading for anything, it should be a RH bat off the bench. We have Fontenot and Ward, and Johnson/Edmonds....a RH bat would be huge.